Iranian leader: No one dares threaten us

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

If Iran ever decides to first strike, which is probably the only reason why the American's would go to war with them, then the silent revolution doesn't matter, Moderates trying to take over it won't matter.

The assumption is that Iran's model of attack would be a WMD strike on Israel, which means that America would respond in kind.

If America had wanted to go to war with Iran in a conventional way they had lots of opportunities by now with the funding and encouragement of various terrorist groups.

America knows that they could never occupy Iran, the insurgency there would be a hundred times what they've seen in Iraq.

It would be a standoff war, Iran as a nation and a country with the ability to bear and support life would cease to exist 15 minutes after any nuclear attack on Israel.

Nothing taller then 3 feet would be left standing.

You're positive about that? I thought that was sort of the reason the US gave Israel nuclear weapons, so they wouldn't have to do the retaliating themselves in that event.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

Eh you could make a deal with the Russians in advance like Hitler did with Poland. Let them extend their borders 100mi or so into what was Iran and they wouldn't care a wit.

Firstly, America is not going to pull anything that Hitler invented. Those parallels are just atrocious, especially in this day and age.

Secondly, Russia has far too many interests in Iran, particularly Iranian energy. If you think the Russians are going to let the Americans walk in and control these interests, you are mistaken. They may not take direct military action, but you can bet your bottom dollar that Russia will put up a huge stink about is, and possibly counteract with proxy retaliation, be it militaristic or economic. Pro-Western Caucasus states would likely suffer the brunt of this due to already sour American / Russian relations taking a further nosedive.

American action in Iran would have so many retaliatory measures against the West it, it would be a grave situation for the world. Very grave.

[icecube]

war is so 80s. cant we all just get along?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The assumption is that Iran's model of attack would be a WMD strike on Israel, which means that America would respond in kind.

I think you'll see Iran supply someone with a dirty bomb before they'll actually strike Israel.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Firstly, America is not going to pull anything that Hitler invented. Those parallels are just atrocious, especially in this day and age.

Secondly, Russia has far too many interests in Iran, particularly Iranian energy. If you think the Russians are going to let the Americans walk in and control these interests, you are mistaken. They may not take direct military action, but you can bet your bottom dollar that Russia will put up a huge stink about is, and possibly counteract with proxy retaliation, be it militaristic or economic. Pro-Western Caucasus states would likely suffer the brunt of this due to already sour American / Russian relations taking a further nosedive.

American action in Iran would have so many retaliatory measures against the West it, it would be a grave situation for the world. Very grave.

The American's wouldn't attact Iran without nato approval and the Russian's could do very little about it. Do you honestly think Russia would want a war with nato? they would be flattened in days.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by T@T

The American's wouldn't attact Iran without nato approval and the Russian's could do very little about it. Do honestly think Russia would want a war with nato? they would be flattened in days.

Highly, highly doubt that.

NATO wouldn't even touch that situation with a 10-foot pole. They can barely manage Afghanistan let alone a war with Russia. And, as I stated, it wouldn't be America or NATO suffering the brunt of Russian anger; it would be the already devestated Caucasus and Eastern European states that favor Western influence. Remember last year when Russia turned off the pipelines in the Ukraine and the ripple effects it had throughout Europe? That's just one of many devices they have at their disposal.

Besides, it's not NATO that should be worried about. It would be the Amercian's trying to circumvent UN resolutions (as they have done), and try to get around another Security Council member no less.

A pissed off Russia is not a good idea. This isn't the early 90's when they were in ruins. They are far more capable now than anytime before since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by tjinaz

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Caesar, all had that will.

You talk about that like it's a good thing.

Originally Posted by tjinaz

I also think Ahmadinejad has the will as well and if he ever did get a nuke he would use it on Israel. He would go down as a legend in the Islamic world and that would be enough for him.

Where do you get this idea? It sounds like something out of a comic book.

Do you think he's going to have a button his desk to fire off a nuke for no other reason than personal gratification?

I'm no expert on Iran, but he (or the next guy to hold the position) isn't even the most powerful person in the country.

[Blaster86]

This thread made me think of this.



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[Rathji]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Do you think he's going to have a button his desk to fire off a nuke for no other reason than personal gratification?

Unfortunately, I think that it would be for a lot more than personal gratification, given the wide based anti-Israeli movement among Arab nations.

I hope that no country would ever launch a nuclear attack against another and I think the chances of it actually happening are crazy low. However, those chances go WAY up when you consider Iran using them against Israel.

It becomes far more likely if you consider backing of serious terrorist attacks on a nuclear scale.

[SebC]

I can't believe we're talking about a war between Russia and the US over Iran. Both countries have leaders who understand mutually assured destruction and are rational enough to avoid it. Won't happen.

Iran, however, might just be crazy enough to nuke someone if they get the chance. Likewise with North Korea. There's enough evidence that religious nutjobs will do some very stupid things that we should be concerned about Iran.

But if Iran does something stupid, I sincerely doubt Russia would do much. They'd lose any pretense of moral high ground if they did.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Unfortunately, I think that it would be for a lot more than personal gratification, given the wide based anti-Israeli movement among Arab nations.

I hope that no country would ever launch a nuclear attack against another and I think the chances of it actually happening are crazy low. However, those chances go WAY up when you consider Iran using them against Israel.

It becomes far more likely if you consider backing of serious terrorist attacks on a nuclear scale.

I highly doubt Iran actually use as nuke against Israel. Waving nuclear weapons is one thing, but using it is another. There is next to no chance the Ayatollahs let Ahmadinejad (sic) pull his own trigger. And Iranians wouldn't stand for it either.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

You're positive about that? I thought that was sort of the reason the US gave Israel nuclear weapons, so they wouldn't have to do the retaliating themselves in that event.

America has a similar treaty structure in place with Israel as they had with Nato. An attack on Israeli soil with a nuclear, biological or chemical weapon will be responded to as if the attack happened on U.S. soil.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by T@T

I think you'll see Iran supply someone with a dirty bomb before they'll actually strike Israel.

That's irrelevant.

Lets say that Iran supplied one of its little terrorist groups with a dirty bomb and sent it into Israel.

At the end of the day the American's and Israel would treat it as a direct attack by Iran.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Rathji

I hope that no country would ever launch a nuclear attack against another and I think the chances of it actually happening are crazy low. However, those chances go WAY up when you consider Iran using them against Israel.

When's the last time Iran invaded another country or started a war?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I highly doubt Iran actually use as nuke against Israel. Waving nuclear weapons is one thing, but using it is another. There is next to no chance the Ayatollahs let Ahmadinejad (sic) pull his own trigger. And Iranians wouldn't stand for it either.

God I hope so, but I have very little faith in a nation that openly supports terrorism, and is ruled by a council of Mullahs that are basically a death cult.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

God I hope so, but I have very little faith in a nation that openly supports terrorism, and is ruled by a council of Mullahs that are basically a death cult.

To be honest, I think the most Iran does is fight proxy wars with the West, whether it be support through Hezbollah, Hamas or Iraqi insurgents. They would never let their own name directly be written down as the aggressor.

That said, it's far more likely Iran supports a dirty bomb and gives it to some nut job. Nuclear weapons are far less likely.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

You're positive about that? I thought that was sort of the reason the US gave Israel nuclear weapons, so they wouldn't have to do the retaliating themselves in that event.

The US didnt give Israel nuclear weapons.

They came up with the technology 100% on their own and received the material from France and South Africa in exchange for that technology.

I do agree with you though that Israel would most likely just respond to an attack on their own.

[FlamesAddiction]

They are one of the more powerful countries in the world, and certain in their region. There is a significant drop off after the top 5 or 6 though.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by blankall

The US didnt give Israel nuclear weapons.

They came up with the technology 100% on their own and received the material from France and South Africa in exchange for that technology.

I do agree with you though that Israel would most likely just respond to an attack on their own.

Has Israel ever actually admited to having nuclear weapons? We all pretty much know they have them, but they were always rather secretive about it... which is good. They don't need to be flaunting them.

The list of nuclear powers is kind of a joke anyway. Canada and Japan are not "nuclear powers", but both countries could build them if they wanted... same thing with many European countries and who knows who else.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Has Israel ever actually admited to having nuclear weapons? We all pretty much know they have them, but they were always rather secretive about it... which is good. They don't need to be flaunting them.

The list of nuclear powers is kind of a joke anyway. Canada and Japan are not "nuclear powers", but both countries could build them if they wanted... same thing with many European countries and who knows who else.

Israel has never admitted to having a nuclear bomb, however its believed that they have small aircraft carried bombs, cruise missiles and there is also a rumor that they have submarine launched capabilities as well.

Remember that Canada used to have both field deployable and aircraft droppable nuclear weapons, they also had nuclear tipped air to air missiles to deal with Soviet Bombers.

Everyone says that they were disposed of, but the crazy person in me tends to think that in some stockpile we still have a nuclear tipped artillary shell just in case.