Food Inc.

[worth]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

Everything in moderation is the key.

Especially moderation.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

I say you should cram as much meat down your throat as you possibly can. All day, everyday. Except for pork maybe. And nothing deep fried.

You. Take. That. Back.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

Can't too much protein cause kidney problems in certain cases? And problems with calcium levels? And gout? And increased risk of cancer? And I'm sure the list goes on and on.


Everything in moderation is the key.

It's almost impossible to eat too much protein. You just don't have enough apetite to do that. You'd have to go overboard with protein shakes, but even that fills you up making it hard to "overeat" on proteins.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by Shazam

You. Take. That. Back.

Mmm pork ribs. I used to love them.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

Mmm pork ribs. I used to love them.

They still love you!

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yeah, and so can excess water. How many people do you know that have kidney problems from drinking too much water?

Probably none.

If you eat balanced meals 6x per day, and make sure you include meat with every meal, or some form of protein, its highly unlikely that you'll get more than 200g protein. In fact, even getting THAT much protein is hard to do.

People buy protein shakes because they don't get enough protein.

Again, protein is better than carbs, and fat is a good energy source. Meat has both fat and protein.

For each condition I listed, I know at least one person who had it and had the doctor recommend that they cut back on their protein - and specifically their meat intake to below 'average' levels. For example: I know three people under 35 who have developed gout at least in part by eating too much meat. I can't think of anyone that has developed kidney failure from drinking too much water.

Too much protein can cause or contribute to some pretty serious health conditions even when the amount a person is eating doesn't seem all that extreme by today's standards.


PS yea, yea I know... anecdotal evidence doesn't add up to much - just throwing it out there even though I'm pretty sure it'll be soundly dismissed by anyone who doesn't agree with it already.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

PS yea, yea I know... anecdotal evidence doesn't add up to much - just throwing it out there even though I'm pretty sure it'll be soundly dismissed by anyone who doesn't agree with it already.

Welcome to the internets.

Local cows taste better then distant cows. Local carrots taste better then far away carrots. I don't see what the problem with eating local is... I don't think I'm a hippy for wanting to eat my neighbors pig. It looks delicious.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

I've had a doctor recommend that I eat mostly meat.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by llama64

I don't see what the problem with eating local is... I don't think I'm a hippy for wanting to eat my neighbors pig. It looks delicious.

I don't think his wife would let you anywhere near her if she caught you referring to her as a pig.

[Daradon]

I have to agree that it would be very hard for this planet to sustain the amount of people it has if everyone shifted to 'natural' green type eating.

However, it should be known that food production (especially meat production) is the number one most polluting industry on the planet, as well as horribly resource consuming (energy/water).

And that's already admitting that we don't feed the whole planet as it is. In fact, most of the planet doesn't eat like us.

Clearly we're doing something wrong.

As westerners we do eat far too much meat. We've gotten spoiled. It's all about finding the balance. And giving up little convienances for the good of the planet, each other, and ourselves.

The fight for sustainability is being waged on all fronts. Just like we need to watch how we produce and consume energy and other products, we need to be aware how we produce and consume food. It's really all part of the same ball of wax.

It's just not something our rich society wants to hear.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I have to agree that it would be very hard for this planet to sustain the amount of people it has if everyone shifted to 'natural' green type eating.

Actually if meat was cut out of the diet we would have more food to feed humans because the mass production of animals would cease freeing up tons of grains, greens, etc... for human consumption.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Actually if meat was cut out of the diet we would have more food to feed humans because the mass production of animals would cease freeing up tons of grains, greens, etc... for human consumption.

I think he's refering to organically produced food, not lack of meat. Which he is correct, growing "green" is alot harder and less efficient.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Actually if meat was cut out of the diet we would have more food to feed humans because the mass production of animals would cease freeing up tons of grains, greens, etc... for human consumption.

Oh I understand that. You're going through three sources of product just to get to meat. (Water, grains, energy)

But I'm not suggesting the world goes veggie. One battle at a time, lol.

I've done veggie for short periods of time, and ended up liking it more than I thought I would, but I never could give up meat.

I think people should just be more responsible about it.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Dan02

I think he's refering to organically produced food, not lack of meat. Which he is correct, growing "green" is alot harder and less efficient.

Yes, for the most part I was.

[Ronald Pagan]

Just read the book. It should be in the library.

The basic idea is that we evolved over millions of years and our body became accustomed to our primary food sources to derive all the nutrients we need.

Those food sources over the past 80,000 years were primarily grains, greens and legumes. Only in the past 50 years have we drastically altered our diet and began consuming copious amounts of meat. The bottom line is that it's not that good for you. Especially the industrially produced meat of today.

You'd be better off health wise to get alternate proteins, like from beans and high protein grains like quinoa. Not only do you feel better, you body likes them more.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Ronald Pagan

Just read the book. It should be in the library.

The basic idea is that we evolved over millions of years and our body became accustomed to our primary food sources to derive all the nutrients we need.

Those food sources over the past 80,000 years were primarily grains, greens and legumes. Only in the past 50 years have we drastically altered our diet and began consuming copious amounts of meat. The bottom line is that it's not that good for you. Especially the industrially produced meat of today.

You'd be better off health wise to get alternate proteins, like from beans and high protein grains like quinoa. Not only do you feel better, you body likes them more.

+1

It's not that people should stop eating meat. It's just that they should really look at the amount they eat and the sources. IE wild vs. grocery/butcher vs. processed/prepared vs. however the heck they make fast food 'meats'.

As you go further and further down the scale it's worse for you, and worse for the planet.

Fast food chains are amongst the worst culprits on so many levels.

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by Ronald Pagan

Just read the book. It should be in the library.

The basic idea is that we evolved over millions of years and our body became accustomed to our primary food sources to derive all the nutrients we need.

Those food sources over the past 80,000 years were primarily grains, greens and legumes. Only in the past 50 years have we drastically altered our diet and began consuming copious amounts of meat. The bottom line is that it's not that good for you. Especially the industrially produced meat of today.

You'd be better off health wise to get alternate proteins, like from beans and high protein grains like quinoa. Not only do you feel better, you body likes them more.

That doesn't even make sense. You begin by talking about evolution over millions of years, and then in the next breath start talking about what we've eaten in the last 80,000. That's like less than 10% of the timeframe you're initially talking about.

I doubt the human organism evolved much in 80,000 years in response to diet.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by llama64

Welcome to the internets.

Local cows taste better then distant cows. Local carrots taste better then far away carrots. I don't see what the problem with eating local is... I don't think I'm a hippy for wanting to eat my neighbors pig. It looks delicious.

I would eat local too if I could. The best cut meat is probably locally cut anyways.

Plus, you support the local economy, etc, etc.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by sclitheroe

That doesn't even make sense. You begin by talking about evolution over millions of years, and then in the next breath start talking about what we've eaten in the last 80,000. That's like less than 10% of the timeframe you're initially talking about.

I doubt the human organism evolved much in 80,000 years in response to diet.

How much our bodies have evolved for diet over 80,000 years is debatable for sure, but it's a secondary issue anyway.

Modern foods, especially meats have so much 'extra stuff' in them that isn't natural and isn't healthy for you on any level. Hormones, chemicals, etc.

Plus the balance of the foods we eat is off in most peoples diets anyway. Think of the Canada food guide that says you need 2-3 servings of meat, but 5-12 of veggies and 5-10 of grains or something.

Obviously that's just the most generic information, but I think we can all agree that most westerners eat a much higher % of meat in their diet than is even recommended by our own doctors and nutritionists.

Meat has become a staple, when all along it was supposed to be the side.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

I've had a doctor recommend that I eat mostly meat.

My doctor also said that I should stick to mostly protein.