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iggnuef · 04-02-2009, 05:23 PM

So I've told a few buddies about this story, and all but one agreed with me. Just wanted to get your opinions on it.....

So i was playing 1/2 no limit poker at Stampede Casino last friday night. The pot was at atleast $400. (i folded pre-flop) After the river was shown, the guy to my right was 1st to act, he checked and the other 2 remaining players checked aswell......side note, the guy to act 1st had about $100 left in chips.

So they flip over the cards and the guy to my right (1st to act) had a Royal Flush......and checked it!!!!

Is this the wierdest/dumbest poker move you have heard of? Well, ive heard worse, just not at a casino.

What was he afraid of?
Was he trying to bait.....if so why not put a lil bet in then?

BTW the other guys had a normal flush and 2 pair respectivly

Swarly · 04-02-2009, 05:25 PM

seems dumb to me, i'd throw in all 100 of my remaining chips and hope for a caller with either the flush or straight.

flip · 04-02-2009, 05:25 PM

Seems weird to me. Poker at casinos with low blinds can often be pretty aggressive so there is a good chance he was hopping they would bet.

Still he should've made some sort of bet. Either a small one and hope to get raised or a large beet and hope to get called.

Do you think he was a noob? Maybe he didn't know the likelyhood that he was going to win the hand.

iggnuef · 04-02-2009, 05:26 PM

ya his girlfriend on the other side chewed his ass out good

no he said he doesnt know why he did it......said he was "rusty"

schteve_d · 04-02-2009, 05:26 PM

Definately trying to bait. Not necessarily a bad move, in my opinion, depending entirely on who you are playing.

T@T · 04-02-2009, 05:29 PM

It depends on what the cards looked liked. was there a pair on board? was there 4 suited cards. theres lots of reasons to check a hand like that if you think you can check/raise. I've seen 4 of a kind checked when 3 people are in the hand.

The guy likely didn't give a dollar away as if someone had a decent hand he would have bet and the royal man would have got another $100.00.

iggnuef · 04-02-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by schteve_d

Definately trying to bait. Not necessarily a bad move, in my opinion, depending entirely on who you are playing.

but if he tried to bait put something on the "hook"......if its too much then they fold and he wins the same amount as he did

put atleast $50 (with a $400 pot) and hope for a re-raise.....or a call and you just got a bigger pot

albertGQ · 04-02-2009, 05:30 PM

We need more information first. Did he check the flop and there were betters? Did he check the turn, and once again there were betters? Even raisers? Did he need two cards for the Royal or just the one? Was there a potential straight flush there as well? How much in chips did everyone else have? Was it a tight table or loose table? Too many variables that you never brought up.

iggnuef · 04-02-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by albertGQ

We need more information first. Did he check the flop and there were betters? Did he check the turn, and once again there were betters? Even raisers? Did he need two cards for the Royal or just the one? Was there a potential straight flush there as well? How much in chips did everyone else have? Was it a tight table or loose table? Too many variables that you never brought up.

ok fine "GQ"

he bet all 3 times as he was 1st to act
obviously the other 2 guys called all 3 times
he had the J and K of clubs
the Q of clubs was on the river (10 and A of clubs on flop)
the other 2 guys had more chips
the last guy to act was really aggressive (he pushed around the last few hands)

happy pink jersey man???? haha

albertGQ · 04-02-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by iggnuef

ok fine "GQ"

he bet all 3 times as he was 1st to act
obviously the other 2 guys called all 3 times
he had the J and K of clubs
the Q of clubs was on the river (10 and A of clubs on flop)
the other 2 guys had more chips
the last guy to act was really aggressive (he pushed around the last few hands)

happy pink jersey man???? haha

He bet all three times? He should've continued to bet, especially if the board did not pair. If the board did not pair, the 2nd best hand would've been a nine high flush. Not that strong of a hand to be aggressive.

If the board did pair, did the Queen pair it?

Raekwon · 04-02-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by albertGQ

He bet all three times? He should've continued to bet, especially if the board did not pair. If the board did not pair, the 2nd best hand would've been a nine high flush. Not that strong of a hand to be aggressive.

If the board did pair, did the Queen pair it?

With only $100 left there wasn't much point in checking after he bet everytime and had the nut flush (is that what its called?) Last time I checked you don't beat a royal flush

iggnuef · 04-02-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by albertGQ

He bet all three times? He should've continued to bet, especially if the board did not pair. If the board did not pair, the 2nd best hand would've been a nine high flush. Not that strong of a hand to be aggressive.

If the board did pair, did the Queen pair it?

how about the Q high flush? The other guy had 2 pair, cant remember if the board paired or not......mute point tho, they called him all the way through.....with a big pot why all of a sudden check the last round?

The only explanation that makes "some" sense is that he was about blow a load in his pants cause he just got a royal flush. And was too scared to open his mouth so he just did the "checking hand motion"

jammies · 04-02-2009, 05:47 PM

I would've bet medium and then gone over the top if someone raised me.

I agree that sitting on a hand like that is dumb with 2 other players. As long as you don't bet too high, pot odds will usually get them to put in a reasonable bet so you're almost guaranteed making some money, and it isn't too implausible that one of them will see your bet as a sign of weakness and you will make even more. Thing is, you are MORE likely to get them to bet by betting yourself rather than checking, so why check?

albertGQ · 04-02-2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by iggnuef

how about the Q high flush? The other guy had 2 pair, cant remember if the board paired or not......mute point tho, they called him all the way through.....with a big pot why all of a sudden check the last round?

The only explanation that makes "some" sense is that he was about blow a load in his pants cause he just got a royal flush. And was too scared to open his mouth so he just did the "checking hand motion"

Technically yeah, he would have a Q high flush but so would 2-3 clubs.

I would've bet too, especially with three straight bets

Dan02 · 04-02-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by iggnuef

So they flip over the cards and the guy to my right (1st to act) had a Royal Flush......and checked it!!!!

More so playing online, some people just want to show down that they had a royal flush/quads/straight flush and don't want to risk everyone folding.

There was 1 instance i've seen where 2 people lost out on over 300k because one had the straight flush and one had the royal flush, normally this would qualify for the bad beat jackpot, however, both these guys decided to check down to show their amazing hand, end result, the pot wasn't large enough to qualify for the bad beat jackpot.

iggnuef · 04-02-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan02

More so playing online, some people just want to show down that they had a royal flush/quads/straight flush and don't want to risk everyone folding.

There was 1 instance i've seen where 2 people lost out on over 300k because one had the straight flush and one had the royal flush, normally this would qualify for the bad beat jackpot, however, both these guys decided to check down to show their amazing hand, end result, the pot wasn't large enough to qualify for the bad beat jackpot.

wow, unreal!!

BTW he did win the Royal Flush pot which was $580 ish. One of the smallest according to the Poker Room ######bag

JD · 04-02-2009, 06:07 PM

Yeah, it's always different depending on how the table goes, how the betting goes, etc, etc, etc. Poker's not a game where you do the same thing every time.

But I think in general I would have tried betting a little something, while trying to put on my best sh--eating face, looking like I might be trying to steal the pot. Hopefully the others would at least call.

Definitely in a pot of $400, though, I think checking cost this guy some money.

Iowa_Flames_Fan · 04-02-2009, 06:22 PM

With only 100$ left--at a no limit table with 400$ in the pot, his only play is to put the money in. If they can't call at 4-1, they're not betting anyway, because he's very unlikely to fold--so checking just gives them a chance to see the cards for free.

Rathji · 04-02-2009, 07:40 PM

There is no way someone who was not watching the entire game can make an accurate decision about if it was the right bet or not. You can't even get close to figuring it out if you dont have the cards that came down or betting for the hand.

Was someone representing strength? Weakness? Were they aggressive players? Passive? Did someone almost choke on their own tongue when the board paired on the river? How much was in the pot? Would he be seen as over betting if he went all in? or would it be seen as a continuation bet?

Poker is a game of statistics and people. You have not given any of the information about either of those 2 aspects of the game/hand in question so anyone who thinks they can accurately judge his actions as the proper maximal value bet is wrong. Dead wrong.

That said, if he thought either of them had a hand they would bet anything with given their play so far, he probably made the right call. If he had a history of check raising though, he probably made the wrong one.

Jayems · 04-02-2009, 07:41 PM

I'd have to agree with what has been said.

No limit table, and you've got the most bad ass nuts there is. Gotta check that down and hope someone gets something they'll either move all in with or at least willing to part with some cash.

Have to be that on the river if no bets yet, obviously.