The Person vs Human Being Thread (split from the Deerfoot Speeding Cam thread)

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Tower

Once you understand the Law and it's meanings you can impose your will. These are the fundamental points in a common law jurisdiction. They can not change the law to make one human bow down to them in court. The meanings or rules are not changed in the middle of the game.

One of the (several) points you're not getting is that this is what YOU are trying to do, not the system. The system is the rules. The interpretation of law becomes the law.

You suggest to me a creationist misapplying his "logic" to law - take something out of context, elevate it to a central importance it does not possess, and then argue that it proves something it has no relevance towards. To be specific, as soon as you started talking about how your legal Person is different from the actual you, you went off into la-la land and never looked back - for the purposes of whether or not you have to pay traffic tickets, it's about as relevant as whether the Magna Carta guarantees your right to beat the peasants with impunity.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by jammies

One of the (several) points you're not getting is that this is what YOU are trying to do, not the system. The system is the rules. The interpretation of law becomes the law.

You suggest to me a creationist misapplying his "logic" to law - take something out of context, elevate it to a central importance it does not possess, and then argue that it proves something it has no relevance towards. To be specific, as soon as you started talking about how your legal Person is different from the actual you, you went off into la-la land and never looked back - for the purposes of whether or not you have to pay traffic tickets, it's about as relevant as whether the Magna Carta guarantees your right to beat the peasants with impunity.

I do understand the system is the law, but the system must follow it's own laws as well. And just because I am not a lawyer does not mean I can not fight or use the The Law & Equity Act, The Motor Vehicle Act, The Income Tax Act, The Bills of Exchange Act and Act accordingly.

It's true I get excited about the meanings and how they can rightfully be applied. It's fascinating and opens many doors that otherwise would be closed to you. It changes your perspective and la la land as you so call it is a dream world. This is not. It is all relevant, but you just choose to believe it is not.

Remittance is a way the City of Calgary/Corporation of Calgary can double dip to get more funds. Believe it or choose not too. Look into it further or disregard it. Your actions and choices mean a great deal to me believe it or not. We are still peaceful people who are capable to do more for our fellow man.

What happens when you legally dissolve your person? If Such Acts are attached to your person and not your Human Being. This is the Biggest deal about the person and has become much more of a reality. The Person was created so you CAN leave the government control. Originally it was created to help man as a shield but now it seems to be used against us to restrict. I agree some laws are good and exist for good reason, but I refuse to eat the corn if it has pieces of poo mixed in that you nor I can not clean out. Law can look at this analogy and make a choice. Change or have no rule over my Human Being unless I infringe on your human being. This is the supreme law in Common Law Canada.

[Rathji]

So what happens when your 'Human Being' needs services only provided to a 'Person'?

Do you want to get out of paying taxes, fines and other penalties but still reap the benefits of society?

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Rathji

So what happens when your 'Human Being' needs services only provided to a 'Person'?

Do you want to get out of paying taxes, fines and other penalties but still reap the benefits of society?

In the Common Law Jurisdiction of Canada You have specific rights.

The Right to Food, Clothing, Shelter, Education, Travel, Health Care.

I pay tax. I pay a lot of tax and will continue to pay tax.

If you are paying tax do you have a right to know exactly where it goes? What are you paying for?

Education?
Health Care?
Roads?
Luxury flights to (insert 5 star Donald Trump accommodations here) by representative elect?

And also what is the name of your society?

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Tower

In the Common Law Jurisdiction of Canada You have specific rights.

The Right to Food, Clothing, Shelter, Education, Travel, Health Care.

Can a human being have a passport? or do you need to be a person?
Can a human being register in a University or do you have to be a person?
How about vote?
Take out a loan or some other form of credit?
Have a drivers license?
How about a SIN?
A job?
Own land or other property?
Sue someone?

I am confused what point the whole 'Human Being' vs 'Person' part of your posts is trying to make.

Originally Posted by Tower

If you are paying tax do you have a right to know exactly where it goes? What are you paying for?

Education?
Health Care?
Roads?
Luxury flights to (insert 5 star Donald Trump accommodations here) by representative elect?

Of course you do, but that doesn't give you the right to avoid paying the taxes or fines that you incur as a citizen of this country.

Originally Posted by Tower

And also what is the name of your society?

I am referring to being a citizen of Canada, who lives in Calgary, Alberta . I have no idea what you think we are talking about here. Canadian, American, British. It really doesn't matter. Law is law, and despite differences between the countries, you still need to follow it. The courts decide what the law really is, and how it will be applied.

You know anyone who has written stuff on a traffic ticket and had it been acceptable in a court of law as payment? I don't.

[4X4]

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Can a human being have a passport? or do you need to be a person?
Can a human being register in a University or do you have to be a person?
How about vote?
Take out a loan or some other form of credit?
Have a drivers license?
How about a SIN?
A job?
Own land or other property?
Sue someone?

I am confused what point the whole 'Human Being' vs 'Person' part of your posts is trying to make.


Of course you do, but that doesn't give you the right to avoid paying the taxes or fines that you incur as a citizen of this country.



I am referring to being a citizen of Canada, who lives in Calgary, Alberta . I have no idea what you think we are talking about here. Canadian, American, British. It really doesn't matter. Law is law, and despite differences between the countries, you still need to follow it. The courts decide what the law really is, and how it will be applied.

You know anyone who has written stuff on a traffic ticket and had it been acceptable in a court of law as payment? I don't.

When you go to the Govt of Canada you are asking for them to do the paperwork for you. Yes a human being can have a passport. He can also issue what is called a "Notice of Understanding and Intent" to the country you are wanting to visit. It can be accepted or denied. Much like an Elected Official who Notifies the country of his/her Understanding and Intent in the country they visit.

Yes a human being can go to school.

You actually control your vote over Canada as you have fired your representative voting for you. (eg - the "sale" of Canada in the NA union you get the power to say yes or no instead of your representative.)

Taking a loan? This will open a whole new can of worms and this will be answered in a few months. But you do own Canada.

You do not need a DL to drive in Canada under the Common Law Jurisdiction. You have the right to travel. That is why you do not say the legal word driver. Everyone in the car are travelers. Only a Person is a Driver.

Your SIN is also called your government employee #. Call them and ask. You may have to escalate to get the answer. So yes, it is legal to quit your job. And not have a SIN. It is lawful to work in Canada and not lawful to be forced to work for anyone.

Yes, however there are some difficulties here. Major corporations will need a SIN. It is a PERSON hiring a PERSON when it comes to Corporations. And that PERSON (Corporation) is a PERSON for legal reasons. But you can work under contract. (A corporation can make more money if it has PERSON status. It however can obviously not be a Human Being.)

Yes you can own land. CLAIM OF RIGHT falls under this category.

Oh yes you can sue someone. And it is very simple as long as it is proven you have a claim.

A Person is a legal fiction.

A Human Being is a creation of "God" under which all are created equal.

GOD is not defined in Law as you can not define GOD. Due to this GOD can be an old toaster if you want or the creator of everything.

These are broad brush strokes I am aware. But brief explanations.

If this thread is derailing we can start a new one.

[KevanGuy]

Tower, were are you getting all this information?

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by KevanGuy

Tower, were are you getting all this information?

http://www.pnnac.org/secure/Notice-O...nd-Intent.html

http://autarchic.tripod.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform...iracy_theories

Conspiracy theories

The Uniform Commercial Code plays a significant part in the theories of groups such as the Christian Patriot movement, Sovereign Citizen Movement, and the Posse Comitatus. Some believe that a secret treaty made in 1930 put the United States and other countries around the world in a state of continuing debt with the international bankers being the creditor/rulers: the makers of the currency for which everyone is forced to compete, who prefer commercial law to common law.[4]
The newer Redemption Movement claims that the Uniform Commercial Code is now the supreme law of the land, generating perpetual debt for the citizens to the extent of necessitating poverty for the lower class while bankers remain the only source of wealth.[4]
The Constitution Party of Pennsylvania argues that the UCC governs all human interaction in the United States, and that using the language contained in §1-207 of the UCC -- such as the phrases "without prejudice" or "under protest" -- protects the signer from being bound by any contract or that the use of this language means that the signer is not recognizing a government's jurisdiction over the signer.[5]

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by KevanGuy

Tower, were are you getting all this information?

My bet is http://www.thinkfree.ca/

The big thing is that the government is illegal and you don't need to pay taxes and bypass a lot of laws if you simply declare yourself a freeman of the land or something. I am seriously paraphrasing here, of course because conspiracy theories take alot longer to explain. It is really kinda funny though, if you google freeman of the land, all you get a dozen or so youtube videos of people in hoodies who proclaim that you can't be taxed without your concent etc etc and some blog entries of a similar vein. I do feel that youtube videos of crazy people proclaiming the great value behind your struggle is a halmark of a legitimate cause.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by KevanGuy

Tower, were are you getting all this information?

Thinkfree.ca is a source. And if one should take the time there is a lot of very interesting information. After that continue your search. It is not the only source. Many Human Beings have actually accomplished everything I have stated.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Rathji

My bet is http://www.thinkfree.ca/

The big thing is that the government is illegal and you don't need to pay taxes and bypass a lot of laws if you simply declare yourself a freeman of the land or something. I am seriously paraphrasing here, of course because conspiracy theories take alot longer to explain. It is really kinda funny though, if you google freeman of the land, all you get a dozen or so youtube videos of people in hoodies who proclaim that you can't be taxed without your concent etc etc and some blog entries of a similar vein. I do feel that youtube videos of crazy people proclaiming the great value behind your struggle is a halmark of a legitimate cause.

Really? You took that out of it? Or did you take points you didn't like and twist them?

Have you heard of a bill passed nick named the Thought Crime Bill?

It's actually called Violent Radicalization of Home Grown Terrorism Prevention Act. READ IT. And then debate with me. It may have started in the states but it will pass to Canada and other Common Wealth Countries.

Now after reading it try going against Government agenda and post your face on the internet. And by agenda I'm not even saying anything theory related. Every day there is an agenda. Much like a shopping list you need to complete.

[KevanGuy]

Originally Posted by Tower

Thinkfree.ca is a source. And if one should take the time there is a lot of very interesting information. After that continue your search. It is not the only source. Many Human Beings have actually accomplished everything I have stated.

Well, I'm not interested in doing much research into it all, thanks for the link though. But, and I don't mean any offense here, I think you might be causing yourself undue stress and potential grief by pursuing this stuff. In my mind, life is hard enough as it is without trying to take on institutions like the government or law society or whatever.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by KevanGuy

Well, I'm not interested in doing much research into it all, thanks for the link though. But, and I don't mean any offense here, I think you might be causing yourself undue stress and potential grief by pursuing this stuff. In my mind, life is hard enough as it is without trying to take on institutions like the government or law society or whatever.

But you are assuming I wish to take something down. What I want is more clarity and understanding between law and human being. Can or do you understand what laws you must obey? You have no interest in that? Other sources are listed in your every day version of various Acts such as the The Motor Vehicle Act, The Income Tax Act, The Bills of Exchange Act. And for the record I have not kept Think Free off the radar on this site.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by fredr123

http://www.pnnac.org/secure/Notice-O...nd-Intent.html

http://autarchic.tripod.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform...iracy_theories

Nope never read this. But I do see something in there stating Corporation. So fredr123, what is a corporation?

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Tower

--snip wacky stuff--

It's true I get excited about the meanings and how they can rightfully be applied. It's fascinating and opens many doors that otherwise would be closed to you. It changes your perspective and la la land as you so call it is a dream world. This is not. It is all relevant, but you just choose to believe it is not.

--snip crazy stuff--

Change or have no rule over my Human Being unless I infringe on your human being. This is the supreme law in Common Law Canada.

Tower, it's clear you aren't going to be deflected from your interpretation of how the law works, but just do one thing for me - sit down and seriously think about these two questions:

Why is it that tens of thousands of lawyers haven't used these strategies before?

If I can't convince laypeople on a messageboard that I am right, how likely is it that I am going to convince actual practitioners of law that I am right?

[Tower]

Originally Posted by jammies

Tower, it's clear you aren't going to be deflected from your interpretation of how the law works, but just do one thing for me - sit down and seriously think about these two questions:

Why is it that tens of thousands of lawyers haven't used these strategies before?

If I can't convince laypeople on a messageboard that I am right, how likely is it that I am going to convince actual practitioners of law that I am right?

And you will have that answer soon. It is not because I do not have the answer but because I will prove the answer. This will need time. And why have lawyers (who frequent this site) not spurned me? The truth is because it is true. And ignorance is bliss.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Tower

Really? You took that out of it? Or did you take points you didn't like and twist them?

Have you heard of a bill passed nick named the Thought Crime Bill?

It's actually called Violent Radicalization of Home Grown Terrorism Prevention Act. READ IT. And then debate with me. It may have started in the states but it will pass to Canada and other Common Wealth Countries.

Ok, so I read it.

I assume at this point you will tell me what secret section in that act, which never passed, would have been so terrible had it done so. I fail to see the line that says you can write on your speeding tickets to make them into money.

Now after reading it try going against Government agenda and post your face on the internet. And by agenda I'm not even saying anything theory related. Every day there is an agenda. Much like a shopping list you need to complete

Does this have something to do with the WD-40 my wife wants me to get from the store, because that's the only shopping list I am aware of.

Please enlighten me.

[Madman]

Originally Posted by Tower

And you will have that answer soon. It is not because I do not have the answer but because I will prove the answer. This will need time. And why have lawyers (who frequent this site) not spurned me? The truth is because it is true. And ignorance is bliss.

Creepy.

Have you purchased any land for your followers, or will this strictly be an online thing?

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by Tower

Nope never read this. But I do see something in there stating Corporation. So fredr123, what is a corporation?

I have no clue what you're getting at. The first time I heard of Notice of Intent and Understanding and the associated jazz was with respect to those situations in the links I provided.

Good luck with your future endeavors.