You do realize that every domestic dog or cat once came from a wild animal right?
No, really?
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The picture of the large cat I posted is of the most expensive domestic cat on the planet,(Ashera) but it is derived from 3 cats, 2 are totally wild (a Serval and a Leopard) and a domestic (most say from a Savannah with Seal Siamese) This cat is as smart and docsile as a golden lab,great with kids and lives 20 years. Perfect pet.(although expensive)
Are you saying this cat shouldn't be a pet? or that people shouldn't make money breeding them? I'm also told a Lynx/Bobcat has no wildness in it when breed out of the wild and make great pets..very gentle etc.
BTW, I'm on a 2 year waiting list to get a Hypoallergenic version of the Ashera and I think it'll be worth every penny
I was very clear in my post. If they are a WILD species then I am dead against it.
Hilarious that this comes from the guy that wants to kill people who hunt for sport. Does that murderous desire runover to those who hunt and make good use of the animal?
Why do you think it will be worth every penny out of curiosity? Status symbol? Lonely? Priceless LOL cats picks?
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I was very clear in my post. If they are a WILD species then I am dead against it.
That part is very unclear. What do you consider a WILD species? All animals were at one time WILD. The only ones that are not are ones that we have tamed and trained and bred, probably for profit otherwise what is the point, much like the people on that website seem to be doing now with bobcats and lynx. Or are you saying you are against all forms of pets?
That part is very unclear. What do you consider a WILD species? All animals were at one time WILD. The only ones that are not are ones that we have tamed and trained and bred, probably for profit otherwise what is the point, much like the people on that website seem to be doing now with bobcats and lynx. Or are you saying you are against all forms of pets?
A golden retriever was NEVER a wild species. Golden retrievers are descended from wild species.
It's pretty straight forward stuff unless you have absolutely zero experience dealing with the term species and what it means. I'm pretty sure every high school biology class deals with it though,.
The Ashera, by T@T's own defiinition, is not a wild species either.
Bobcats and Lynx clearly ARE.
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If a judge gave me 2 choices and only 2 choices to kill either the innocent animal or the goof who kills them I swear I would hunt down the hunter 10 times out of 10.
That part is very unclear. What do you consider a WILD species? All animals were at one time WILD. The only ones that are not are ones that we have tamed and trained and bred, probably for profit otherwise what is the point, much like the people on that website seem to be doing now with bobcats and lynx. Or are you saying you are against all forms of pets?
Is this guy serious?
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It's not a bad point. Why was it only okay for animals to be domesticated in the past?
Its a bad point. DFF said he was wary of selling wild animals. Buddy jumps down his throat with garbage like "are you saying you are against all forms of pets?"
There are animals that have been domesticated and there are wild animals. Demanding a poster to clarify which are which and what constitutes "wild" is silly.
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Its a bad point. DFF said he was wary of selling wild animals. Buddy jumps down his throat with garbage like "are you saying you are against all forms of pets?"
There are animals that have been domesticated and there are wild animals. Demanding a poster to clarify which are which and what constitutes "wild" is silly.
I didnt mean to jump down DFF's throat, I just wanted to know where he stood. I'm not trying to be a jerk here or anything just wondering but I may have come off harsher than I meant too, it was 5.30am and I was just heading to bed.
He said it makes him ill that people are buying bobcats for pets now. Correct me if I am wrong, anybody on here who knows more about the history of pet species than me. But, breding these bobcats to be housepets would create a new species down the line, much like was done in the past to create the current dog and cat species that we now own as housepets.
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I didnt mean to jump down DFF's throat, I just wanted to know where he stood. I'm not trying to be a jerk here or anything just wondering but I may have come off harsher than I meant too, it was 5.30am and I was just heading to bed.
He said it makes him ill that people are buying bobcats for pets now. Correct me if I am wrong, anybody on here who knows more about the history of pet species than me. But, breding these bobcats to be housepets would create a new species down the line, much like was done in the past to create the current dog and cat species that we now own as housepets.
Pretty much. This is what has led to "Designer" Cats, like the Ocicat and Bengals being derived from wild cats like bobcats, cheetahs (don't ask me how) and ocelots. People wanting the allure of a wildcat, and the domestication of a typical cat. I'd love to get a Bengal if they weren't so pricey (~$800) and there weren't so many regular cats needing good homes. Apparently they are like having a dog and cat at the same time.
I didnt mean to jump down DFF's throat, I just wanted to know where he stood. I'm not trying to be a jerk here or anything just wondering but I may have come off harsher than I meant too, it was 5.30am and I was just heading to bed.
He said it makes him ill that people are buying bobcats for pets now. Correct me if I am wrong, anybody on here who knows more about the history of pet species than me. But, breding these bobcats to be housepets would create a new species down the line, much like was done in the past to create the current dog and cat species that we now own as housepets.
I'm not sure you'd get a different species as such, but selectively breeding them as pets will, over many generations, produce animals that are more acclimatized to domesticated life. In the meantime, you've got many generations of potentially unhappy animals. The website originally quoted says that it's okay because bobcats and lynx 'sleep 17 hours a day', but to me that's not sufficient to say it would be happy living in a domestic environment.
Go down to the zoo and have a look at the bobcat and lynx exhibits; the habitats they put these animals in are not simply for the benefit of the viewers; in a lot of cases, the best zoos have put a lot of study into what it takes for an animal to be content in captivity. They know the minimum amount of range that an animal needs. If you can't provide this same sort of experience, you shouldn't be looking at owning one of these pets.
My own personal take on it would be that there's a bit of human arrogance in trying to domesticate all of these wild species of animals. There's no denying that there are a lot of animals out there that would hypothetically make really cool pets (my own choice would be to have sea otters, and not just because I watched Danger Bay a lot growing up), but is any animal really better off living in a domesticated environment, unless it's an injured creature that can no longer survive in the wild?
Isn't it really cool to think that in maybe 100 years there will actually be mini-versions of some of these large animals, and you could have an 18 inch tall Hippo as a pet!? I hope I'm around to see this.
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Isn't it really cool to think that in maybe 100 years there will actually be mini-versions of some of these large animals, and you could have an 18 inch tall Hippo as a pet!? I hope I'm around to see this.
