'IRA' violence is back

[icarus]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7934426.stm

Dissident republicans, the Continuity IRA, have claimed they murdered a policeman in Northern Ireland.

He was Constable Stephen Paul Carroll, 48, a married man with children from the Banbridge area of County Down.

He died just 48 hours after two soldiers were shot dead by the Real IRA at an army base in Antrim.

Not good. Hopefully this doesn't spark loyalist reprisals escalating the violence and spreading it.

[Rathji]

Good on them.

Been a while since we had some dead people in the news. Will certainly draw attention from the hobos that *someone* brings home from downtown.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

These people are f_cking revolting......I hope they catch the filth f_cks and hang them by their balls.

[flip]

Maybe the stupid British should get the hell out and go back to their own country.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by flip

Maybe the stupid British should get the hell out and go back to their own country.

Not saying that I completely disagree, but the best way to get the English to leave is to do what they have been doing and have constructive peace talks featuring an open line of communication. That is by far the best idea if both sides are open and willing to communicate.

As far as I am concerned those who use violence against unarmed soldiers who are paying for pizza, police officers as well as civilians are the lowest form of low and should be exterminated, not held to a high regard and be the focal point of political change.

[flip]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Not saying that I completely disagree, but the best way to get the English to leave is to do what they have been doing and have constructive peace talks featuring an open line of communication. That is by far the best idea if both sides are open and willing to communicate.

As far as I am concerned those who use violence against unarmed soldiers who are paying for pizza, police officers as well as civilians are the lowest form of low and should be exterminated, not held to a high regard and be the focal point of political change.

I know. It is a little late for William Wallace type stuff. We had our own revolutionary in Michael Collins and even that was about 500 years too late and it didn't really work. At this point the Brits are pretty much permanently stuck in N. Ireland. Even if they did let it rejoin with the Republic, which I doubt, the North is still infiltrated with a bunch of Protestant loyalists anyways.

Man I hate the effing British. They left India 50 god damn years ago and they are still in Ireland. How in the hell does that make sense?

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by flip

Maybe the stupid British should get the hell out and go back to their own country.

perhaps if you feel so strongly you should leave the comfort of your house and move over there pick up a rifle and join the struggle.

As Mr. Mustard Points out these people are the lowest form of human, they are not warriors, savours, or helping the process....

[valo403]

Originally Posted by flip

I know. It is a little late for William Wallace type stuff. We had our own revolutionary in Michael Collins and even that was about 500 years too late and it didn't really work. At this point the Brits are pretty much permanently stuck in N. Ireland. Even if they did let it rejoin with the Republic, which I doubt, the North is still infiltrated with a bunch of Protestant loyalists anyways.

Man I hate the effing British. They left India 50 god damn years ago and they are still in Ireland. How in the hell does that make sense?

And I suppose if the British packed up and left tomorrow everything would be just peachy, yes?

[flip]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

perhaps if you feel so strongly you should leave the comfort of your house and move over there pick up a rifle and join the struggle.

As Mr. Mustard Points out these people are the lowest form of human, they are not warriors, savours, or helping the process....

If there was an outright war tomorrow I'd seriously consider it. However that is not what is happening. A bunch of frustrated people are using violence against relatively innocent people, when it is the government to blame. Like I said the time for violence was 500 years ago, not now. They need to use peaceful means to achieve their goal.

[Jagger]

Originally Posted by flip

Maybe the stupid British should get the hell out and go back to their own country.

I deeply resent that comment. I'm British and I'm certainly not stupid. There is a lot more history to the Irish problem than a throw away comment like that. I know people directly affected by these terrorists. There were two young schoolchildren blown up at a shopping center by these cowards close to my home.

[flip]

Originally Posted by valo403

And I suppose if the British packed up and left tomorrow everything would be just peachy, yes?

Only if they took all their British subjects with them.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by flip

Only if they took all their British subjects with them.

clueless.............

[flip]

Originally Posted by Jagger

I deeply resent that comment. I'm British and I'm certainly not stupid. There is a lot more history to the Irish problem than a throw away comment like that. I know people directly affected by these terrorists. There were two young schoolchildren blown up at a shopping center by these cowards close to my home.

Your people have been effing with Ireland for about 1000 damn years. I know the rapping and pillaging isn't common anymore but the resentment is still there from the Irish point of view.

I won't go so far as to say I support what these IRA wannabes are doing because that is obviously wrong. That being said if the British don't want problems maybe they shouldn't invade other peoples countries for a thousand god damn years. Like I said they left India 50 years ago. Unfortunately at this point they are so deeply entrenched I'm not sure if it matters. They'll probably never leave.

[Ford Prefect]

I thought this was done by some splinter dissident group which the IRA proper has disassociated itself from and reconfirmed their dedication to the peace process. It's probably a bit overblown to phrase this as a new IRA uprising.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by flip

I know. It is a little late for William Wallace type stuff. We had our own revolutionary in Michael Collins and even that was about 500 years too late and it didn't really work. At this point the Brits are pretty much permanently stuck in N. Ireland. Even if they did let it rejoin with the Republic, which I doubt, the North is still infiltrated with a bunch of Protestant loyalists anyways.

Man I hate the effing British. They left India 50 god damn years ago and they are still in Ireland. How in the hell does that make sense?

Steps are being taken towards a unified Ireland, and I can understand the desire for the Irish to see that take place, but as you say the days of bloody wars to declare independence - at least in Western Europe, should be over and it is unfortunate that parents will once again have to bury their children because some people haven't figured that out yet.

[flip]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

clueless.............

I find that pretty offensive. You're the clueless one. Until your family has been forced to flee to another country because of relentless persecution you should shut up.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by flip

Man I hate the effing British. They left India 50 god damn years ago and they are still in Ireland. How in the hell does that make sense?

I guess Gandhi's resistance techniques proved more effective

[Rathji]

So it is fine to blow up the government but not innocent people?

The whole IRA situation is kinda strange. On the one hand, a group of people that does not want to be ruled by another group of people who believe different things than them. They have decided to take up arms in the fight against this rule.

This part I have no problems with, although I think the peaceful resolution that they have been progressing towards recently is far prefered.

The part I have a problem with is where it bleeds over into innocent people (and that includes most elected officials). I remember reading a book, None Shall Divide Us, a biography of Micheal Stone ,who threw a bunch a grenades and gunned down a crowded IRA funeral. He talked about how when he was arrested he was treated like royalty by the cops, high fives etc. That part is just screwed up.

[flip]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Steps are being taken towards a unified Ireland, and I can understand the desire for the Irish to see that take place, but as you say the days of bloody wars to declare independence - at least in Western Europe, should be over and it is unfortunate that parents will once again have to bury their children because some people haven't figured that out yet.

I completely agree. No one should have to bury their innocent children because some morons decide to act like a two bit terrorist. That being said the Irish have been burying their dead children, comforting their raped wives etc for about a 1000 years. Now I understand that British rule in N Ireland is no longer oppressive as it once was but that hatred is still there.

I am probably about 5 generations, or more, removed from the violence against my family and it still gets me riled up when this subject comes up.

[Jagger]

Originally Posted by flip

Your people have been effing with Ireland for about 1000 damn years.

Not *my* people actually. You could include a large number of Canadians in there too then with a blanket statement like that. If you had friends blown up by these terrorists perhaps you wouldn't be so flippant.