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Bobblehead · 03-05-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

If I ran the country-side, this guy would be shot military style in the back of the head, in front of an open pit to which Li's dead body would slump into. No trial, no muss, no fuss.
Psychos like that running around is the reason I keep my shotgun handy in my truck.
Can't we just exterminate all psychos??

One lunatic locked in an asylum, maybe for life
or
A bunch of yokel with itchy trigger fingers and a predilection for vigilante justice driving around with shotguns in their pick-ups.

Tough choice.

Next time it is on TV, watch "The Ox-Bow Incident"

Titan · 03-05-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

If I ran the country-side, this guy would be shot military style in the back of the head, in front of an open pit to which Li's dead body would slump into. No trial, no muss, no fuss.
Psychos like that running around is the reason I keep my shotgun handy in my truck.
Can't we just exterminate all psychos??

I am fairly sure that you are making this statement out of frustration and anger. However, most of the time the accused does not stand in a bus window with his victim's head in his hands. This is an easy one. But what about Milgaard? What about the other one whose name escapes me? (A list from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_conviction#Canada
Both found to be innocent but once they are in the pit it is too late.

The Innocencee Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_Project) in the US has freed hundreds of people convicted on a wrongful basis. The new evidence is largely based on new DNA technology that proves they did not do it. Would you want to be the guy pulling the trigger when you know there is a significant chance the police made a mistake? The witness(es) made a mistake? The prosecution made a mistake? The defence counsel was incompetent or made a mistake? The judge made a mistake?

I don't think I would. Having said all that I do share your sentiment for the ones that are in fact guilty, but how do we know who the guilty ones are?

mikey_the_redneck · 03-05-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

One lunatic locked in an asylum, maybe for life
or
A bunch of yokel with itchy trigger fingers and a predilection for vigilante justice driving around with shotguns in their pick-ups.

Tough choice.

Next time it is on TV, watch "The Ox-Bow Incident"

I don't really like the idea that my taxes will go to keeping this guy in a mental institution for the rest of his life. It would cost millions.......and what for?
How could you go from hacking someones head off and holding it up in front of innocent onlookers back to a perfectly normal functioning citizen?
The guy is irreversable IMO.............
I wouldnt have thoughts of being a vigilante if our "justice systems" worked half decently.

Bobblehead · 03-05-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I don't really like the idea that my taxes will go to keeping this guy in a mental institution for the rest of his life. It would cost millions.......and what for?
How could you go from hacking someones head off and holding it up in front of innocent onlookers back to a perfectly normal functioning citizen?
The guy is irreversable IMO.............
I wouldnt have thoughts of being a vigilante if our "justice systems" worked half decently.

You're making blanket statements based on the few cases a year you hear about on TV.

How many thousands of cases every year are handled by our justice system just fine?

If you were being unjustly accused of something, how would you feel knowing there were people who had already judged you and wanted to murder you based on a 3 minute story on the news cast or an article from a newspaper that compressed hours of testimony into a few hundred word?

CP has some pretty strong opinions on Flames beat writers; how much would you like to be told that people wished you were dead if they based their opinions formed from reading Francis or Dowbiggen?

I just think the people who have spent years in training and years in practice will have a much better idea on how to handle these situations than some hillbilly in his pick-up.

HOOT · 03-05-2009, 01:34 PM

So if he kills again does he get to plead the same case?

How can I use this to my advantage?

This is a joke if he isn't locked up for life (prison or hospital) then it's official that the justice system isn't working and it's no wonder why all these gang members have no problem shooting people in broad daylight.

To all the people that are protecting him because he is "crazy" I hope he moves into your neighborhood and then tell me how you feel about him.

Blaster86 · 03-05-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HOOT

So if he kills again does he get to plead the same case?

If there is a chance it will ever happen again he will not get out of the hospital. He will only be release if he is 100% healthy.

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Originally Posted by HOOT

To all the people that are protecting him because he is "crazy" I hope he moves into your neighborhood and then tell me how you feel about him.

Doubtful he will ever leave the hosptial. But if he does as I said, it means that what ever problems he has or had are no longer a threat to society.

Dion · 03-05-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I don't really like the idea that my taxes will go to keeping this guy in a mental institution for the rest of his life. It would cost millions.......and what for?
How could you go from hacking someones head off and holding it up in front of innocent onlookers back to a perfectly normal functioning citizen?
The guy is irreversable IMO.............
I wouldnt have thoughts of being a vigilante if our "justice systems" worked half decently.

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Emerging studies, however, suggest that the association between paranoid delusions and violence may be less straightforward. Pamela Taylor, Burce Link, et al have reported studies that: Strong predictors of violence in the mentally ill are the feeling that others are out to harm them and a feeling that their mind is dominated by forces beyond their control or that thoughts are being put into their head"

The final factor that may predict violence is the specific type of hallucinations. Command hallucinations, in which voices tell the schizohprenic person what to do, may be compelling predictors of violence"

http://www.schizophrenia.com/family/viol.htm

ok, ok,....I get it · 03-05-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaster86

If there is a chance it will ever happen again he will not get out of the hospital. He will only be release if he is 100% healthy.

Doubtful he will ever leave the hosptial. But if he does as I said, it means that what ever problems he has or had are no longer a threat to society.

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Originally Posted by Dion

If he does get out who will make sure he takes his meds daily?

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Wi...119/story.html

If the guy refused treatment back then he should be held criminaly responsible for Mcleans death. If Li had gotten treatment chances are this beheading never would have happened.

For the publics safety Li should never be released again into society.

It happend before.....could happen again

Igottago · 03-05-2009, 01:42 PM

There's no way this guy will be simply walking the streets tomorrow.

Its likely he will be on heavy meds, institutionalized, and under watch for the rest of his life. Hopefully scientists can even observe him and learn something about his illness.

Its a tough case and you have to feel for the victim's family..the crime was horrific. But I think there is a difference between someone who does it out of "crazyness" and people who are sane but choose to kill.

I must add though, there is no way he should ever get regular freedom again. Even if he supposedly gets better he should be in some type of lower security hospital or something.

Dion · 03-05-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

It happend before.....could happen again

Who else did he kill?

HOOT · 03-05-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaster86

If there is a chance it will ever happen again he will not get out of the hospital. He will only be release if he is 100% healthy.

So what if the hospital makes the wrong diagnosis? Our they held responsible if he kills my family or friends because they thought he was healthy?

Once he is healthy he should go right to jail until he has served his 25 to life.

If I have a fit of rage and kill someone can I be let go once my anger issues are resolved? I'm gonna guess....NO!

ok, ok,....I get it · 03-05-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dion

Who else did he kill?

hmmm, no he was "in" the healthcare system, but was allowed to leave.

Russic · 03-05-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HOOT

So what if the hospital makes the wrong diagnosis? Our they held responsible if he kills my family or friends because they thought he was healthy?

Once he is healthy he should go right to jail until he has served his 25 to life.

If I have a fit of rage and kill someone can I be let go once my anger issues are resolved? I'm gonna guess....NO!

Anger issues and schizophrenia are two very different things.

Blaster86 · 03-05-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

hmmm, no he was "in" the healthcare system, but was allowed to leave.

The situation in which he was originally in the system was entirely different, no? Was there a court order putting him there for the full on rehabilitation?

HOOT · 03-05-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Russic

Anger issues and schizophrenia are two very different things.

Why whats the difference? Both can't be controlled without help...both parties didn't mean to kill the person.

It may be a bad example but my point still stands. It's a joke and he should be locked up for life prison or hospital, I would even let him choose

How do you think the friends and family feel about this? Is it fair to them because some guy has issues that he is allowed to kill people at will and just walk out once he's all better?

They will NEVER get to see that person again, yet this guy gets to live a cushy life in a hospital and once "fixed" is free to go on his way. How is that fair? How is that justice?

I just don't know why everyone is so worried about some murder that kill an innocent person sleeping on a freakin' bus. I guess I just don't get it.

mikey_the_redneck · 03-05-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

You're making blanket statements based on the few cases a year you hear about on TV.

How many thousands of cases every year are handled by our justice system just fine?

If you were being unjustly accused of something, how would you feel knowing there were people who had already judged you and wanted to murder you based on a 3 minute story on the news cast or an article from a newspaper that compressed hours of testimony into a few hundred word?

CP has some pretty strong opinions on Flames beat writers; how much would you like to be told that people wished you were dead if they based their opinions formed from reading Francis or Dowbiggen?

I just think the people who have spent years in training and years in practice will have a much better idea on how to handle these situations than some hillbilly in his pick-up.

Yet they fail to deliver results again and again.
The problem is not necessarily the people who have the training and practice, it's the rules in which they have to operate under which are failing.

And yeah I am making somewhat of a blanket statement, but if you tune into any north american news channel regularly, you see that these incidents are happening more and more often, whether its troubled kids shooting up their school, a parent killing his/her kid because god told them too, people torturing people etc.

Are you saying Li has been "unjustly accused of something"?
Ask the couple dozen bus passengers if they think Li has been "unjustly accused".........

Blaster86 · 03-05-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by HOOT

Why whats the difference? Both can't be controlled without help...both parties didn't mean to kill the person.

A reasonable person can control their anger to the point they do not kill someone. "I was in a really bad mood,your honour." Is not a defence.

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Originally Posted by HOOT

I just don't know why everyone is so worried about some murder that kill an innocent person sleeping on a freakin' bus. I guess I just don't get it.

I am not worried about him. I am worried about what it says about our society when we punish someone for being mentally insane. He was not capable of understanding how bad what he did was. His brain doesn't have the connections.

RougeUnderoos · 03-05-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HOOT

Why whats the difference? Both can't be controlled without help...both parties didn't mean to kill the person.

It may be a bad example but my point still stands. It's a joke and he should be locked up for life prison or hospital, I would even let him choose

How do you think the friends and family feel about this? Is it fair to them because some guy has issues that he is allowed to kill people at will and just walk out once he's all better?

They will NEVER get to see that person again, yet this guy gets to live a cushy life in a hospital and once "fixed" is free to go on his way. How is that fair? How is that justice?

I just don't know why everyone is so worried about some murder that kill an innocent person sleeping on a freakin' bus. I guess I just don't get it.

Have you ever been in a mental institution? My guess is that "cushy" isn't really part of the deal. It might be "better" than prison, but it might be worse.

RougeUnderoos · 03-05-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I don't really like the idea that my taxes will go to keeping this guy in a mental institution for the rest of his life. It would cost millions.......and what for?
How could you go from hacking someones head off and holding it up in front of innocent onlookers back to a perfectly normal functioning citizen?
The guy is irreversable IMO.............
I wouldnt have thoughts of being a vigilante if our "justice systems" worked half decently.

Why don't your taxes go to paying a police officer? My taxes can go to keeping this guy alive.

I'm more afraid of rednecks driving around with shotguns than I am of mentally ill people losing it and killing me.

Blaster86 · 03-05-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I'm more afraid of rednecks driving around with shotguns than I am of mentally ill people losing it and killing me.

Mentally ill people can be given medication to stabalize and correct problems.

Rednecks with guns have no such remedy.