Ann Coulter on teachers

[bcb]

Who are the "AHSrockets" and why don't any of the subjects sound familiar? (I have never heard of "affective skills or scripture). I assume this is an American religious high school.
Myst, if you a going to bash teachers, could you please use a local example?

[myst]

bcb my entire post was based on a local example - my very own in high school.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by myst

I honestly believe what I have written. And yes I did read it all

Fair enough.

Do you think all the people who have outlined the working hours of teachers are lying, or they just can't tell time?

[Locke]

Alright, I'm not a mod, but I think we'd all be best served by challenging and defending the points and not the posters behind them.

You disagree with a certain perspective, thats fine, but that doesnt make the beholder of that perspective an Idiot, just of a different mindset.

As to whether teaching is a 'cushy' job, I would tend to disagree. While I'm certain that some teaching positions are easier than others, like a Gym teacher, I think thats a cushy job, but then theres all the extra-curricular stuff that goes with it.

I feel reasonably assured that for anyone that cares about their students teaching isnt just a: "show up, spew some BS, shoot the breeze with your happy-go-lucky co-workers and go home" job.

[bcb]

Originally Posted by myst

bcb my entire post was based on a local example - my very own in high school.

Apparently AHSRockets is located in Kentucky.

Let the jokes begin...

[BuzzardsWife]

what planet is dess from? please reply with photos cuz i need a real good explanation

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by peter12

I do think that stereotypes towards teachers are pretty silly. However, my main complaint is the complete lack of meritocracy in the public school system. Even academia has the tenure process and different ranks of professorships (is that even a word) available for profs who get good teacher rankings and who publish frequently.

Maybe it might just be my program, but after being in a university engineering program, I would never complain about mediocrity or floaters in K-12 public education. A good teacher in engg is one who has a relatively good attendance, his notes are at least 95% correct and if you can understand what is the point of what they're even doing, thats a bonus.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by redforever

Union, simple as that. The bad teachers get floated around from one school to another, unless they commit some gross misconduct like sexual exploitation of one of their students.

It is the union that takes away the teaching certificate of the individual teacher, not the province that gave the certificate to that teacher.

And even then, it's all hush-hush.

[V]

Originally Posted by peter12

I do think that stereotypes towards teachers are pretty silly. However, my main complaint is the complete lack of meritocracy in the public school system. Even academia has the tenure process and different ranks of professorships (is that even a word) available for profs who get good teacher rankings and who publish frequently.

Why can't bad teachers be weeded out and good teachers be rewarded? I agree that there are quite a few good teachers, but I think there are alot of mediocre/terrible teachers who get into it because it is an easy job to slack off at when you want to. I have no doubt that everyone hear who has a story of a friend or relative who is a teacher that works their butt off and gets nothing extra for it is absolutely on the money. Those teachers are overworked and don't get any extra hand-up, but I can tell from personal experience that for everyone of those teachers there is another slacker who gets paid the same and gets the same vacation time.

Well, yeah, it's sort of a union, right? That's kind of the big thing with them. I've seen this in any union, public sector, private sector, whatever. This is not special for teachers.

[redforever]

Quote:
Originally Posted by redforever
Union, simple as that. The bad teachers get floated around from one school to another, unless they commit some gross misconduct like sexual exploitation of one of their students.

It is the union that takes away the teaching certificate of the individual teacher, not the province that gave the certificate to that teacher.

Originally Posted by peter12

And even then, it's all hush-hush.

And about the only way school boards can get around this is by hiring teachers on a one year contract.

Then they do not have to actually have to try and fire or dismiss a bad teacher, they just don't renew the contract. If a teacher is tenured, that option is no longer available to the school board.

[myst]

Ann Coulter is an idiot but I think she is kinda right on this one.

In high school for example, teachers teach 3 blocks a day - about 1hr30min each block for a total of 4hr30min every day. They get one block 'prep time' where they have time to prepare lectures or finish up marking or whatever. The first class starts at 9am, the last class ends at 4pm. They get an hour lunch. One day of the week is usually 'early dismissal' where classes are 3/4ths as long as they normally are. It is absolute nonsense that teachers are overworked. They literally work for 4hr30min a day. They get a nice winter break and a 2 month long summer break. All paid of course. (see http://www.ahsrockets.org/images/pro...h_schedule.gif for what a typical schedule for a student looks like)

The time spent on 'preparing lectures' is a bunch of nonsense. Most teachers have to do this ONCE and they can reuse their work time and time again for years (with minor adjustments).

The time spent on 'marking' is a bunch of nonsense too. When you teach 4hr30min a day, you have a lot of time on your hands that you can use for marking. And in my classes the teachers wouldnt even mark many of the assignments themselves. They would either do a walk around the classroom and give 'completion' marks, or have students themselves mark the assignments ('everyone pass your math assignment to the person behind you..').

Teachers have one of the cushiest jobs in the world. Unbelievable that they would think otherwise. There are always exceptions to the rule - same can be said for any other profession. But in general, teachers have a very cushy job.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by myst

Ann Coulter is an idiot but I think she is kinda right on this one. /snip/

You are wrong in everything you just said.

I'm not going to do you the favor of pointing where and how you are wrong.

Re-read this thread in it's entirety to see why you are wrong. Just know that you are wrong in every way.

[peter12]

Did you just repeat your post?


Anyway, about the unions... Teacher's unions are notorious for being pretty political and self-serving to their own, it doesn't help a lot of new teachers trying to get into the system and it totally screws the good teachers who bust their balls.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Dion

I disagree. If a poster is going to publicly trash a profession with outlandish generalizations i think we as members have a right to know said poster does for a living.

No you don't. No one here has to reveal anything about themselves they don't want to. Member privacy is important.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by myst

Ann Coulter is an idiot but I think she is kinda right on this one.

In high school for example, teachers teach 3 blocks a day - about 1hr30min each block for a total of 4hr30min every day. They get one block 'prep time' where they have time to prepare lectures or finish up marking or whatever. The first class starts at 9am, the last class ends at 4pm. They get an hour lunch. One day of the week is usually 'early dismissal' where classes are 3/4ths as long as they normally are. It is absolute nonsense that teachers are overworked. They literally work for 4hr30min a day. They get a nice winter break and a 2 month long summer break. All paid of course. (see http://www.ahsrockets.org/images/pro...h_schedule.gif for what a typical schedule for a student looks like)

The time spent on 'preparing lectures' is a bunch of nonsense. Most teachers have to do this ONCE and they can reuse their work time and time again for years (with minor adjustments).

The time spent on 'marking' is a bunch of nonsense too. When you teach 4hr30min a day, you have a lot of time on your hands that you can use for marking. And in my classes the teachers wouldnt even mark many of the assignments themselves. They would either do a walk around the classroom and give 'completion' marks, or have students themselves mark the assignments ('everyone pass your math assignment to the person behind you..').

Teachers have one of the cushiest jobs in the world. Unbelievable that they would think otherwise. There are always exceptions to the rule - same can be said for any other profession. But in general, teachers have a very cushy job.

I think you already said that.

That kind of school you made reference too isn't something many of us are familiar with. If what you describe is really how they do things, you might have a point, but that's not how it works here.

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by peter12

Why can't bad teachers be weeded out and good teachers be rewarded? I agree that there are quite a few good teachers, but I think there are alot of mediocre/terrible teachers who get into it because it is an easy job to slack off at when you want to. I have no doubt that everyone hear who has a story of a friend or relative who is a teacher that works their butt off and gets nothing extra for it is absolutely on the money. Those teachers are overworked and don't get any extra hand-up, but I can tell from personal experience that for everyone of those teachers there is another slacker who gets paid the same and gets the same vacation time.

Could not this statement apply to virtually every profession, job, etc?

Take out the word "teacher" and put in accountant. Or lawyer. Or mechanic. Or university student. Or guy or girl that works at the convenience store down the street...

[myst]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I think you already said that.

That kind of school you made reference too isn't something many of us are familiar with. If what you describe is really how they do things, you might have a point, but that's not how it works here.

That is exactly how things work. Even in the states. Teachers are dedicated a whole 'block' (1.5hours) a day for preparing and planning lectures.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Could not this statement apply to virtually every profession, job, etc?

Take out the word "teacher" and put in accountant. Or lawyer. Or mechanic. Or university student. Or guy or girl that works at the convenience store down the street...

Exactly.

Teachers, city workers, nurses or any other so called "union" job suffer the same problems that occur in any corporate office down town.

Competance is rarely rewarded in the presence of politics. Hell, half the time the idiots in a work environment get promoted to "management" just to sideline them out of harms way. It's easier to promote someone then it is to fire them regardless of the industry/sector.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

No you don't. No one here has to reveal anything about themselves they don't want to. Member privacy is important.

I understand that member privacy is important. Jolinars response to my post better explained a psoition i wasn't very clear on.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Could not this statement apply to virtually every profession, job, etc?

Take out the word "teacher" and put in accountant. Or lawyer. Or mechanic. Or university student. Or guy or girl that works at the convenience store down the street...

Absolutely.

Although given the crucial role of the teacher, I would argue it takes a much higher precedence. None of those other professions have been chosen by society to be stewards of its children.