Peter Sunde: "Epic Winning!"

[HelloHockeyFans]

Pirate Bay founder Peter Sunde said on Twitter that the dropped charge was " epic winning". He also described the trial as "boring" and said that he was " sleepy".

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BitTorrent tracker site The Pirate Bay, currently in court in Sweden over piracy allegations, will no longer face a charge of copying copyrighted works.

On the second day of the high-profile anti-piracy case, the prosecution amended its case against the file-sharing site's founders after apparently misunderstanding the technology.

Basically, founders of Pirate Bay will now face lesser charges since they didn't actually host copyrighted material.

Just thought the "epic winning" comment was hilarious...

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/22...-faces-copying

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

Pirate Bay founder Peter Sunde said on Twitter that the dropped charge was " epic winning". He also described the trial as "boring" and said that he was " sleepy".

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BitTorrent tracker site The Pirate Bay, currently in court in Sweden over piracy allegations, will no longer face a charge of copying copyrighted works.

On the second day of the high-profile anti-piracy case, the prosecution amended its case against the file-sharing site's founders after apparently misunderstanding the technology.

Basically, founders of Pirate Bay will now face lesser charges since they didn't actually host copyrighted material.

Just thought the "epic winning" comment was hilarious...

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/22...-faces-copying

The people prosecuting the case didn't understand bit torrent? Remind me to move to Sweden if I ever want to do something illegal.

[Raekwon]

lol, thats awesome. What could they have misunderstood? Did they think piratebay was hosting the files and not just the trackers?

Either way another win

[Russic]

Holy hell ... as a lawyer understanding the things you are arguing is kind of your main job. Unreal.

[Hack&Lube]

Music companies and their lawyers are behind with the times just like the CRTC. They'd rather sue grandmothers and 5 year olds than actually do something to make buying their material worthwhile to consumers. They've sued all the BT sites but BT is only the tip of the iceberg.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Music companies and their lawyers are behind with the times just like the CRTC. They'd rather sue grandmothers and 5 year olds than actually do something to make buying their material worthwhile to consumers. They've sued all the BT sites but BT is only the tip of the iceberg.

I wish they would kill BT, not because I think it will stop illegal file sharing but because it totally rapes bandwidth.

I can sit here at the Uni and have 4 fools around me torrenting Anime and giggling like school girls when the guy beside them can't load a webpage in less than 10 seconds. You have one person, downloading 4 times the content in the same time period off of Usenet, and I never even notice it.

Just boggles the mind, but I guess everyone only cares about themselves, which is ironic because Usenet is faster, more reliable, and retention enables stuff to be downloaded way longer than you are able to using torrents. So they would be better off with Usenet anyway.

[PsYcNeT]

If people use the right torrent programs, and the network is setup properly, it does not rape bandwidth.

Usenet is + because it only uses a single connection at any given time, rather than the 300+ connections used on a single torrent with most programs.

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

If people use the right torrent programs, and the network is setup properly, it does not rape bandwidth.

Usenet is + because it only uses a single connection at any given time, rather than the 300+ connections used on a single torrent with most programs.

I wonder how usenet providers avoid legal liability for having entire copyright works hosted in their feed spools. From a legal perspective, thats the big difference with bittorrent, is that the trackers don't possess and distribute copyright material.

Web sites and FTP sites are subject to legal action for providing copyright material, why aren't usenet sites? If you claim that its because you don't control what comes in on the feeds, couldn't the same be said if you ran an anonymous FTP server?

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Rathji

I wish they would kill BT, not because I think it will stop illegal file sharing but because it totally rapes bandwidth.

I can sit here at the Uni and have 4 fools around me torrenting Anime and giggling like school girls when the guy beside them can't load a webpage in less than 10 seconds. You have one person, downloading 4 times the content in the same time period off of Usenet, and I never even notice it.

Just boggles the mind, but I guess everyone only cares about themselves, which is ironic because Usenet is faster, more reliable, and retention enables stuff to be downloaded way longer than you are able to using torrents. So they would be better off with Usenet anyway.

That's the University's problem. They should cut off access to the default BT ports although I'm sure some people will figure it out eventually. They should also just put a notice in the terms of usage that bitorrent use is prohibited and have some nasty consequences for anybody caught doing it.

But in your own home, BT is absolutely a good thing.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by sclitheroe

I wonder how usenet providers avoid legal liability for having entire copyright works hosted in their feed spools. From a legal perspective, thats the big difference with bittorrent, is that the trackers don't possess and distribute copyright material.

Web sites and FTP sites are subject to legal action for providing copyright material, why aren't usenet sites? If you claim that its because you don't control what comes in on the feeds, couldn't the same be said if you ran an anonymous FTP server?

Copy Pasta ala Wiki

In the United States, usenet providers can qualify for protection under the DMCA Safe Harbor regulations, provided that they establish a mechanism to comply with and respond to takedown notices from copyright holders.[7]

Removal of copyrighted content from the entire usenet network is a nearly impossible task, due to the rapid propagation between servers and the retention done by each server. Petitioning a usenet provider for removal only removes it from that one server's retention cache, but not any others. It is possible for a special post cancellation message to be distributed to remove it from all servers, but many providers ignore cancel messages by standard policy, because they can be easily falsified and submitted by anyone.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

That's the University's problem. They should cut off access to the default BT ports although I'm sure some people will figure it out eventually. They should also just put a notice in the terms of usage that bitorrent use is prohibited and have some nasty consequences for anybody caught doing it.

But in your own home, BT is absolutely a good thing.

The only difference between the 2 is the problem is more compounded at the university level since you are dealing with a single access point being flooded. The same problem exists between the Fiber optic node and coax that runs into your house, but at watered down level.

I read a study, although I can't recall where, that said over 40% of the traffic on the internet can be attributed to Peer to Peer traffic, the majority of which is currently torrents. The prof in my networking class claimed it was over 50%.

If you want to answer the question as to why people in this thread are experiencing network congestion which is hurting their connection speeds, I suggest that the answer is looking you right in the face.


My problem with torrents is taking a little tiny bit of data, creating a new TCP connection (network overhead), packaging it up in a TCP packet complete with header and sending it off to the host who is requesting it. If you are using a single connection (like with usenet) you eliminate all the overhead from creating a connection every time it grabs a new host to 'test' it. You eliminate all those DNS server requests from every new host that gets randomly chosen for testing.

I do understand why people use torrents, I just think that it is a negtive thing for those people on the network who don't use them.

I can see why people use torrents, I just don't think they are good for the networks the hosts exist in.

[ZedMan]

^sounds like you might be in my networking class...
I suspect that the reason most people use bittorrent is that they don't know about usenet, or maybe they don't have access to a decent free server. I only use BT for old stuff now (too cheap to pay for a server with long retention)

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by ZedMan

^sounds like you might be in my networking class...
I suspect that the reason most people use bittorrent is that they don't know about usenet, or maybe they don't have access to a decent free server. I only use BT for old stuff now (too cheap to pay for a server with long retention)

If you are, then my most sincere condolences.

Just trying to take a nap in class and he has to call me out...

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by ZedMan

^sounds like you might be in my networking class...
I suspect that the reason most people use bittorrent is that they don't know about usenet, or maybe they don't have access to a decent free server. I only use BT for old stuff now (too cheap to pay for a server with long retention)

Well, Usenet is not known among the masses. It's also a highly leech oriented thing with most users not actually contributing to it.

There is a lot of material on BT that you can't find on Usenet.

[The Yen Man]

I used to use newsgroups extensively to download anime rather than BT. It started out awesome, but as time went by, files became more and more broken until finally I got fed up with it and just switched over to BT. I haven't used it in a few years now. Has it gotten better again? I'm not really computer literate enough to know indepth details on how newsgroups work, I just kind of knew enough to download stuff. I also used to download a ton of stuff during my university days. Now that I'm out of university and actually work, I only really download the stuff I have time to watch. I find BT pretty convenient, its just point and click. Newsgroup download speeds to rock though, I'll admit that.

[Daradon]

Usenet user = Massive geek

Bit Torrent user = Slightly less nerdy geek

Maybe that's why...

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I used to use newsgroups extensively to download anime rather than BT. It started out awesome, but as time went by, files became more and more broken until finally I got fed up with it and just switched over to BT. I haven't used it in a few years now. Has it gotten better again? I'm not really computer literate enough to know indepth details on how newsgroups work, I just kind of knew enough to download stuff. I also used to download a ton of stuff during my university days. Now that I'm out of university and actually work, I only really download the stuff I have time to watch. I find BT pretty convenient, its just point and click. Newsgroup download speeds to rock though, I'll admit that.

Most people who use usenet pay for a premium service that gives you 3-7 months of retained and complete files. Also, you need to use the par and par2 system to repair any missing blocks easily.

Shaw has outsourced it's usenet service to highwinds. On some servers you can get up to 160 days retention but on higher traffic ones like alt.binaries.boneless and alt.binaries.nl, retention is about 1-2 weeks.

[Raekwon]

usenet hey, I might have to look into that