Dad beheads son for Jesus.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Really, there have a couple examples of BLATANT sarcasm in this forum in the past 2 days, and both times (that I've seen) people have not picked up on it.

Geez, are we so reliant on the green text that we can't recognize even the most obvious examples, even after it is pointed out? Or are people just spoiling for a good internet bruhaha?

Sarcasm is hard to pick up at times in real life and that is with a wealth more information in the form of reading body languague, picking up on changes in voice inflection, etc.

That people miss on the internet is to be expected imo, overall its a pretty crappy form of communication. Far inferior to talking on the phone, and not even comparable to being in the same room as someone.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I don't see why an Atheist would behead someone to protect their "salvation" do you? Especially since salvation is a religious concept.

Nope, a mentally ill athiest would probably behead someone because it was the thing to do at the time, or because his dog told him to.

[C_Rush]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Tell that to the thousands of muslims murdered by Christians in the past 1000 years and vice versa.

Its clear that neither Christians nor Muslims have thought much of each other. Any "respect" either group has for each other in this century seems to be as a result of political correctness more than anything.

Go talk to your average fundamentalist Christian about whether they love Muslims or not. You might get some interesting responses. I know very decent seeming people who have fairly harsh views for a religion that is supposed to be about loving your neighbor, turning the other cheek, loving your enemies, etc.

The ignorance of this post is astounding. So if bad things were done in the past on the faulty interpretation of a philosophy (Christianity and Crusades), every body who believes in the philosophy of Christianity today is to be tarred with the same brush? The Nazis executed and sterilized hundreds of thousands of people based on eugenics, a faulty interpretation of genetics and biological evolution. Should biologists and evolutionists then be labelled as Nazis? I think not.

[Flames_Gimp]

*sigh* Religion

[Finny61]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Which is what exactly? Positing that the Bible "says" specifically one thing or another is just as bad as this guy who claims that he was operating according to "God's will". The problem is not in determining what the Bible says; it is in making the choice to do whatever one thinks it says. I agree that the problem here is not religion, but the situation is a gross caricature of what conservative Christianity has become: deciding what is or what is not "God's will" is something of an obsession among many evangelicals.

Ten Commandments is the easiest example.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Puddy27

Just an aside really but your friend "lives with schizophrenia", he is not a schizophrenic. As someone that works in the mental health field it kind of bugs me that people are labelled such as this. This isn't a personal shot at you, even people in the mental health field still do this so you are not alone lol.

Also there are many effective medicines that help people live with schizophrenia these days but they only work if you take them as prescribed and this dude may not have been doing that.
/rant

I understand what you are saying. My mistake was not using proper terms.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by C_Rush

The ignorance of this post is astounding. So if bad things were done in the past on the faulty interpretation of a philosophy (Christianity and Crusades), every body who believes in the philosophy of Christianity today is to be tarred with the same brush? The Nazis executed and sterilized hundreds of thousands of people based on eugenics, a faulty interpretation of genetics and biological evolution. Should biologists and evolutionists then be labelled as Nazis? I think not.

You forgot about to add in Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tse-tung who are directly responsible for the annihilation and butchering of more than one hundred million people

*Sigh* Athiests

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Dion

You forgot about to add in Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tse-tung who are directly responsible for the annihilation and butchering of more than one hundred milion people

*Sigh* Athiests

But you don't seriously think lack of belief in God = mass murder? Communism tries to force belief, which never works, and Lenin/Stalin/Mao were cult of personality regimes which mimic Theocracy rule of religious states.

Or do you follow the tired argument of atheism > communism > mass murder because of atheism?

I still think Lenin/Stalin did evil things was because of their lack of faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster; hopefully a lesson learned by all of humanity today. All hail FSM!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Thor

But you don't seriously think lack of belief in God = mass murder? Communism tries to force belief, which never works, and Lenin/Stalin/Mao were cult of personality regimes which mimic Theocracy rule of religious states.

Or do you follow the tired argument of atheism > communism > mass murder because of atheism?

I still think Lenin/Stalin did evil things was because of their lack of faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster; hopefully a lesson learned by all of humanity today. All hail FSM!

But you can't have it both way, Pol Pot, Mao, The two Kims, Stalin all believed in one lifespan with no repercussions, they had no faith and they were monsters. They believed that they controlled the natural order of things revolved around them. So if your going argue that people who believe in god or religion are these monsters and mass murderers then you also have to accept that these god less men are truly monsters.

It wasn't communist theory that lead to these murders, communism is an economic system. It was these people and their own belief systems that lead to the killings.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Thor

But you don't seriously think lack of belief in God = mass murder? Communism tries to force belief, which never works, and Lenin/Stalin/Mao were cult of personality regimes which mimic Theocracy rule of religious states.

Or do you follow the tired argument of atheism > communism > mass murder because of atheism?

I still think Lenin/Stalin did evil things was because of their lack of faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster; hopefully a lesson learned by all of humanity today. All hail FSM!

A lesson has indeed been learned. The world would be lost if athiests were allowed to rule the world

[C_Rush]

^^^ Flying Spaghetti Monster or Uncle Charlie the Tuna, Christianity and Athiesm are merely belief systems. This man was mentally ill and that's what caused this tragedy.

[CaptainCrunch]

But but its easy to cast the blame on religion.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

But you can't have it both way, Pol Pot, Mao, The two Kims, Stalin all believed in one lifespan with no repercussions, they had no faith and they were monsters. They believed that they controlled the natural order of things revolved around them. So if your going argue that people who believe in god or religion are these monsters and mass murderers then you also have to accept that these god less men are truly monsters.

It wasn't communist theory that lead to these murders, communism is an economic system. It was these people and their own belief systems that lead to the killings.

Again you are missing a key point, you can kill in the name of God, you can't kill in the name of non belief So you can't have it both ways.

Religion can allow mass murder in the name of God, with full justification and acceptance by all its followers who deem themselves good moral human beings.

Atheism is a proposition that is simply non belief in god(s). How can that equate to the end result that Atheists commit murder for lack of belief?

The apologetic counter point can be found here if you are intersted:

http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.p...ury_atrocities

Some quotes:

Red Herring

The idea that gulags and death camps are the end game of reason and skeptical inquiry is wrong; no atrocities are the result of being too skeptical, too reasonable, too rational, questioning the prevailing dogma or wanting evidence for claims. This argument only serves to keep the pressure away from questioning religion.



When refuted, it is made again ad nauseam. Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris both refuted the argument in their books and still a large preponderance of reviews contained the argument again as a rebuttal to their work. The argument serves as a Reductio ad Hitlerum implicitly accusing atheists of being like Nazis or Stalinists.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by C_Rush

^^^ Flying Spaghetti Monster or Uncle Charlie the Tuna, Christianity and Athiesm are merely belief systems. This man was mentally ill and that's what caused this tragedy.

Just to make it clear, I'm not suggesting that this beheading is the fault of religion, I said earlier I blame his mental illness not religion.

[cyclone3483]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I don't see why an Atheist would behead someone to protect their "salvation" do you? Especially since salvation is a religious concept.

Obviously he wouldn't be beheading his son for 'salvation', but for any reason he could think of. Voices in his head told him too, to catch a passing comet, or to protect him from evil government agencies...whatever. It had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with mental instability.

You have missed the point so completely, perhaps you were reading another thread and got confused.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Finny61

In this case though, this guy was a heavy believer in a religion, combine that with his instable attitude, and he goes way off the map and ignored everything the Bible stands for.

I agree that this incident has nothing to do with religion, other than the guy used it as an excuse for his actions, which isn't a causal relationship I don't think.

However there's FAR worse than this in the Bible done for God and by God, so saying he's ignoring everything the Bible stands for is inaccurate. He's ignoring different parts than you are ignoring, but he's not ignoring everything the Bible stands for.

[cyclone3483]

Originally Posted by Thor

Again you are missing a key point, you can kill in the name of God, you can't kill in the name of non belief So you can't have it both ways.

I think the point is that wackjobs that kill will find someway to justify it in their mixed up mind. In this case, religion, in another case, racial purity.

Hitler wiped out Jews, Gypsies, etc. because of Eugenics beliefs. So a "belief" in this sense does not equate to a religion per se. Also, O.J. killed in the name of control (not love). It is a non-belief, but he killed because of it.

I think we are splitting hairs over semantics at this point since I think we primarily agree on many other points here.

[cyclone3483]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Nope, a mentally ill athiest would probably behead someone because it was the thing to do at the time, or because his dog told him to.

So It's the dog's fault! There, now we have this one solved.

[cyclone3483]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Yup there's also a corelation between sex and religion as at least 90% of the girls that I date end up calling out to god at some point in time.

You mean like: "Oh God, why did you let me agree to go out with this loser?"



Sorry, couldn't resist.

[CaptainCrunch]

Jerk