02-09-2009, 11:49 PM
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TSN just reminded us that 2003 was the year the AL MVP award was controversially awarded to A-rod over Delgado, in a very close race.
No question who should have won it now. Too bad they can't strip past awards, Delgado is as clean as they come. (I think!)
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02-09-2009, 11:51 PM
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#42
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Good on A-Rod to at least come clean and not live a lie like Bonds and Clemens. At least he can now move on and live with the consequences. I bet Bonds and Clemens are wishing they now did the same thing.
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02-10-2009, 12:12 AM
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#43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pepper24
Good on A-Rod to at least come clean and not live a lie like Bonds and Clemens. At least he can now move on and live with the consequences. I bet Bonds and Clemens are wishing they now did the same thing.
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Palmeiro too. What a way to tarnish a career.
A-rod coming clean was the right choice, he's clearly learned from watching guys like the one's you mentioned have their lives turned upside down.
Giambi came clean, and is pretty respected for it...maybe gave his teammate some advice.
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02-10-2009, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Jiggy_12
TSN just reminded us that 2003 was the year the AL MVP award was controversially awarded to A-rod over Delgado, in a very close race.
No question who should have won it now. Too bad they can't strip past awards, Delgado is as clean as they come. (I think!)
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Delgado is a ###### first of all, so he's one of the last people I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to. This is what I'm saying, how can A-Rod be absolutely vilified, when it is so obvious that there are many many others using, or others who have used. I really want to see the other 103 names on that list.
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02-10-2009, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by oilers_fan
Delgado is a ###### first of all, so he's one of the last people I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to. This is what I'm saying, how can A-Rod be absolutely vilified, when it is so obvious that there are many many others using, or others who have used. I really want to see the other 103 names on that list.
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How is Delgado a ######?
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02-10-2009, 08:50 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiggy_12
Too bad they can't strip past awards, Delgado is as clean as they come. (I think!)
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wonder how many people thought the same of Arod up until a few days ago. To suggest Delgado was clean without proof is burying ones head in the sand a little bit don't you think?
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02-10-2009, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Jiggy_12
How is Delgado a ######?
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The whole not standing for the star spangled banner (or was it God bless America?) REALLY rubbed me the wrong way. But I agree with the previous poster, one is being naive if they assume anyone is clean atthis point.
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02-10-2009, 09:21 AM
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How sad is it that guys now have to prove they're clean or else they're assumed cheaters?
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02-10-2009, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by oilers_fan
The whole not standing for the star spangled banner (or was it God bless America?) REALLY rubbed me the wrong way. But I agree with the previous poster, one is being naive if they assume anyone is clean atthis point.
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I said "I think" he's clean. Obviously no proof of that. Delgado never struck me as that type of player though. I don't see why he wouldn't get the benefit of the doubt.
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02-10-2009, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by malcolmk14
How sad is it that guys now have to prove they're clean or else they're assumed cheaters?
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They can dry their tears with the millions of dollars they've earned.
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02-10-2009, 10:51 AM
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Any player who is known to have juiced should be kept out of the hof IMO. If that means no one enters cooperstown so be it.
Dont let these slumdog millionaires taint the hall that Ruth built.
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02-10-2009, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by nfotiu
Hasn't Pujols name come up numerous times in these various steroid reports?
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His name was brought up in a "insiders" list of players that were going to be named a day before the Mitchell Report came out. Obviously it was totally false as he wasn't implicated in the report.
The closest Pujols has come to having any allegations is that people think he is older than he claims, but he has not been linked with any reputable reports of steroids use.
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02-10-2009, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by malcolmk14
Is Pujols the best "clean" hitter of the last 10 years then?
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Ummm...Junior?
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02-10-2009, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by rubecube
Ummm...Junior?
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Since 2001 (Pujols rookie season, 8 seasons)
Griffey: 841 GP, 173 HR, 502 RBI
Best BAVG: .301, Worst BA: .247
3 playoff games, 5 strikeouts
Pujols: 1239 GP, 319 HR, 977 RBI
Best BAVG: .359, Worst BA: .314
2-time NL MVP
13 playoff HR's, 2 world series appearances, one world series win
It's not even close dude.
Last edited by malcolmk14; 02-10-2009 at 11:16 AM.
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02-10-2009, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Jiggy_12
I said "I think" he's clean. Obviously no proof of that. Delgado never struck me as that type of player though. I don't see why he wouldn't get the benefit of the doubt.
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As of right now, there are a minimum of 103 people otherthan A-Rod who have tested positve, so until that entire list is let out, I do t think it's fair to tarnish Rodriguez and let everyone else off scot free. We need to either see the rest of this list, or move on and let Rodriguez in the HoF as if this never happened.
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02-10-2009, 01:27 PM
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What is wrong with these morons who lie to Congress? It's one thing to lie to Katie Couric, its another to lie under oath.
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02-10-2009, 01:34 PM
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I for one am waiting for the announcement that A-Rod has been charged with lying to Katie Couric.
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02-10-2009, 02:12 PM
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#59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by malcolmk14
Since 2001 (Pujols rookie season, 8 seasons)
Griffey: 841 GP, 173 HR, 502 RBI
Best BAVG: .301, Worst BA: .247
3 playoff games, 5 strikeouts
Pujols: 1239 GP, 319 HR, 977 RBI
Best BAVG: .359, Worst BA: .314
2-time NL MVP
13 playoff HR's, 2 world series appearances, one world series win
It's not even close dude.
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I overlooked the "10 years" part of your OP. My bad.
EDIT: I will say that I think Griffey is going to be one of the few to make it into the Hall from the steroids era.
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02-12-2009, 11:56 PM
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With all these cheaters, we don't even know who's got the real talent anymore. One guy gets a good/great season then the next thing you know he was on steroid. McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, Palmeiro, Tejada, Clemens and now Rodriguez. Now i am wondering if the following good players are clean or not: Roy Halliday, Big Papi, Manny Ramirez, and others. Are we going to be dissapointed at the end?
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