BattleStar Galactica - SPOILER WARNING

[Yeah_Baby]

why go to all the trouble when you can watch in on the Canadian site?

[BlackEleven]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

OK so I missed this week's episode. Does it replay anytime?

Yeah, Space replays it on Sunday nights. I can't remember the time exactly, although I think its around 7:00 (and I live in EST, so that maybe as early as 5:00 if Space doesn't timeshift).

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

As a side note, I wonder how many secondary characters will quietly be airlocked between now and next week. The pilot that tried to shoot down the president, Racetack who has been on the show since the start. They all threw in with Zarek.

I bet it takes a while to get the blood off of the airlock floor.

With a dwindling base of humanity, I don't think you can kill hundreds of conspirators.

You kill the leaders and keep the followers. Like you did with the Nazi's.

Or, the next time you need cannon fodder for a suicide mission, off they go in red shirts.

Being in favour of the theory that everyone except a couple of kids and one hero survive in the end, I wasn't two thrilled with the big comeback in the last couple of episodes.

However, I loved the moments when Tyrol was caught with his pants down in the arms locker, the joking, polite conversation then he just crawls back into the duct and takes off.

Loved Gaeta's introspective ending, the moment with Baltar then the final moments with Zarek. Gaeta went out in style. Well-acted.

A person who manages Racetrack's website - www.leahcairns.com - had talked to her about joining the conspiracy, motivations and deleted scenes at this conversation on Sci-fi's board:

http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?sh...8&st=0&start=0

And I assume Chief Tyrol has discovered the "ole girl" is coming apart at the seams right at the end. Galactica will not survive this series.

The preview for next week had Anders spouting something about the Theory Of Everything . . . . that should be interesting.

Whose tub of goo does Ellen wake up in?

Cowperson

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

With a dwindling base of humanity, I don't think you can kill hundreds of conspirators.

You kill the leaders and keep the followers. Like you did with the Nazi's.

Or, the next time you need cannon fodder for a suicide mission, off they go in red shirts.

Being in favour of the theory that everyone except a couple of kids and one hero survive in the end, I wasn't two thrilled with the big comeback in the last couple of episodes.

However, I loved the moments when Tyrol was caught with his pants down in the arms locker, the joking, polite conversation then he just crawls back into the duct and takes off.

Loved Gaeta's introspective ending, the moment with Baltar then the final moments with Zarek. Gaeta went out in style. Well-acted.

A person who manages Racetrack's website - www.leahcairns.com - had talked to her about joining the conspiracy, motivations and deleted scenes at this conversation on Sci-fi's board:

http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?sh...8&st=0&start=0

And I assume Chief Tyrol has discovered the "ole girl" is coming apart at the seams right at the end. Galactica will not survive this series.

The preview for next week had Anders spouting something about the Theory Of Everything . . . . that should be interesting.

Whose tub of goo does Ellen wake up in?

Cowperson

Awesome point Cow. I was sitting there wondering if the good guys were going to restart the circle that was put in place after the escape from New Caprica, however given the fact that two members Anders and Tye are cylons and Starbuck is an unknown quality it would be an awkward tribunal.

One things for sure to me, we haven't seen the last of this overthrow, I'm still betting that the bitterness, anger and mistrust among the humans leads to a sharp decline in the human race.

I don't know if I was sleeping, but it didn't dawn on me when Tyrol was looking at the cracks in the wall that it was fatique damage, great catch.

I would have liked to have seen a similar moment with Zarek and Roslin that Gaeta got with Baltar. He was a great and deliciously evil character.

[Yeah_Baby]

One thing that has been bugging me. What happened to Caprica Six in Balter's Head and vice versa?

[BlackEleven]

Regarding the ending, I always thought it would end with 13 survivors -- 1 cylon and 12 humans, where each would rebuild/repopulate and become the god/gods of their respecitve societies

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by BlackEleven

Regarding the ending, I always thought it would end with 13 survivors -- 1 cylon and 12 humans, where each would rebuild/repopulate and become the god/gods of their respecitve societies

I always thought along similar lines, but see I thought the 12 cylon models would sync up with the major 12 colonial gods. Of course that was way back during the Kobol days when it seemed as if we were following greco-roman mythology closely. Athena made some interesting comments on Kobol that made me think.

[CaptainCrunch]

I can see it 12 dudes and 1 number 6 survive at the end.

Poor girl

[BlackEleven]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I can see it 12 dudes and 1 number 6 survive at the end.

Poor girl

That would explain why the 13th colony leaves for a planet thousands of light years away from the other 12 colonies.

[CaptainCrunch]

Holy crap, this planet is a total sausage fest.

[BlackEleven]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I always thought along similar lines, but see I thought the 12 cylon models would sync up with the major 12 colonial gods. Of course that was way back during the Kobol days when it seemed as if we were following greco-roman mythology closely. Athena made some interesting comments on Kobol that made me think.

That could work out nicely actually... if the 12 human gods were cylons and the cylon god was human.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by BlackEleven

That could work out nicely actually... if the 12 human gods were cylons and the cylon god was human.

I also think we'll ending seeing a "Deckard" paradox. As in the debate surround Deckard from Blade Runner being a replicant or not. I think with the 13th colony, Earth, being a tribe of Cylons, the distinciton is getting really blurry.

[jeremywilhelm]

I thought, while the episode was good, it ended too pat and too easily. oh well, on with the show!

[Cowperson]

Some rattling thoughts . . . . . .

Ellen, the mother figure . . . . .

Waking up in a tub of goo, initial panic but then calmly, in a motherly way, asking a Centurion, with her hand extended: "Can you give me a hand up? You can at least do that." The machine reshapes it's talons to a gentle hand so as not to damage her . . . . . . an interesting and perhaps suggestive gesture of what may unfold in the future. Remember that scene. It may underline her importance to the Centurion class.

The thirteen colonies left Kobol together 3000 years ago. It all traces back to Kobol, is something I think Torrie said. The original organic humans on Kobol created artificial humans, who may have destroyed their parents and then branched out to the 13 colonies, driven away by machines themselves. Are we all first-generation, organic Cylons.

Ellen, Tigh, Tyrol, Torrie, Anders . . . . . already synthetic beings, on Earth 2000 years ago, they saw the machine-induced apocolypse coming again and worked on rebuilding abandoned resurrection technology, parking the finished product in a ship orbiting the planet.

When the bombs started to fall, they were reborn in a sublight ship and went in search of the other 12 colonies, looking for a new home, a journey that took thousands of years (which is interesting since it begs the question of whether or not the original journey to Earth from Kobol also took a long time or if FTL technology had been lost in time after the arrival).

Upon reaching the Colonies, they discovered the same mistake made on Kobol and later on Earth, that machines had been created with the ability to reason. Forty years ago, they convinced the machines to leave the Colonies in exchange for resurrection technology.

Ellen, with the help of the others, created artificial humans like themselves, with Ellen's intent to imbue them concepts of "love" and "compassion" under a one, true God. The purpose was to avert another apocolypse. Some of these lived with the machines, some with humanity with no knowledge of their origins.

The first "child," John, now known as Cavell, has turned out to be embittered, if not twisted, at one point, killing his line of brothers known as Daniel. Cavell desperately wants to be a total machine rather than the half-breed he really is. He wants to destroy the half of him he hates, which would be humanity.

Daniel has been introduced into the equation . . . . . . is his line all dead, or does Ellen have a revelation for us? Probably. Ellen describes Daniel as sensitive and artistic. Kara Thrace's father was a musician. Was Daniel Kara's father?

Cavell/John killed the five and resurrected them without telling them of their true nature, sending them to live with the first generation Cylon's known as humanity. He wants them to see humanities true nature, to loath humanity as he loathes himself.

Ellen, like any of the final five, knows how to return to Earth. Will we see Dana D'Biers again, sitting on a rock on a seashore when Ellen shows up, looking for the fleet?

Will Boomer find love again with Tyrol?

Will the "difficult decision" Ellen faces - as described in a Sci-Fi channel promo for next week - be that of rebuilding resurrection technology so Anders can be re-born?

Can Daniel be re-born? Whatever happened to Kara's overy?

Are we eventually going back to Kobol, where it all started? All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again. Also, it looked like a pretty nice place except for the skulls everywhere and potential of surprise atomic bombardment from orbit.

Has Cavell introduced Boomer to Ellen, knowing they would eventually take off together in search of Galactica? Has he planted a tracking device on Ellen's ship so he can find Earth and eventually the fleet?

Does that ole sea dog Tigh have some 'splainin' to do when his 2000 year-old love shows up and he's shacked up with the stunning and very pregnant Six?

The Galactica is looking more and more like a doomed ship with every passing moment.

Will I get my twisted ending where Kara is standing on a planet, holding the hands of Six's son and Hera . . . . . the only survivors of this show?

Remember, we've been told many times there is no chance for a sequel. Dark days are ahead.

Random thoughts . . . .

EDIT: A modestly different timeline speculation is at The Watcher in The Chicago Tribune today . . . . along with other interesting tidbits: http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune....obref=outbrain

And a passionate defence of Tom Zarek's character by Richard Hatch at this link. Nice rant!!!:

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune....obref=outbrain

Cowperson

[Hemi-Cuda]

good episode, except the completely random John Hodgson cameo. he really doesn't fit in on this type of show at all, even though i like him as an actor and comedian

[lambeburger]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

good episode, except the completely random John Hodgson cameo. he really doesn't fit in on this type of show at all, even though i like him as an actor and comedian

Was he the PC guy from the mac ads who was the brain surgeon?

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by lambeburger

Was he the PC guy from the mac ads who was the brain surgeon?

He was, he's there in case the Cylons infiltrate Galactica and are able to take over the computers of the Battlestar, they won't know what to do when the computer crashes and the surgeon goes "and I'm a PC"

Then Tighe turns to Adama and says "See, now you're glad we didn't get a frackin' Mac aren't ya?"

[starseed]

Thanks for the post Cowperson!

This is such a great show, they do an excellent job in exploring the darkest sides of human emotions. This latest episode finally has me thinking that this is the best television series I have ever seen. These last few episodes are going to be incredible!

...and how about the acting by Dean Stockwell and Kate Vernon? (John Cavil and Ellen Tigh)

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by starseed

Thanks for the post Cowperson!

This is such a great show, they do an excellent job in exploring the darkest sides of human emotions. This latest episode finally has me thinking that this is the best television series I have ever seen. These last few episodes are going to be incredible!

...and how about the acting by Dean Stockwell and Kate Vernon? (John Cavil and Ellen Tigh)

as a big Quantum Leap fan as a kid, it's a little disconcerting to see Stockwell play such an evil character

[CaptainCrunch]

I have to admit I love Cavil as the evil and equally conflicted machine stuck in a mans body. But the whole time he was making the speech about revenge for slavery I kept flashing back to the Cylon civil war when he had the centurions and raiders lobotomized and basically treated them as slaves.