Fetish Fests

[Clarkey]

I was watching the news last night and they showed some clips from what I believe was the Calgary Gay Pride parade. It was disgusting, as these things usually always are.

How does anyone think that parading down the street in leather assless chaps, with your boy toy in tow on a dog leash wearing nothing but a leather g-string is going to forward your groups acceptance in society.

I have no problem with dude bringing his boyfriend to the office Christmas party if he keeps it low profile and doesn't feel the need to be an attention seeking drama queen about it... but these gay pride parades aka fetish fests cross the line and put homosexuals back big time. I really don't know how many gays actually support these events but to the average joe public they reflect poorly on the whole gay community.

I only know one homosexual personally (who happens to live with his 'partner') and he agrees with me that the fetish fests are an embarassment. I just wonder how much of the gay community actually support these things, I have a fear that it is most of them.

[RougeUnderoos]

I don't really get the anger towards the gay pride things. I don't like seeing guys in assless chaps or G-strings either so I change the channel and I don't go to the parade and that problem is solved.

Straight people parade around doing pretty outlandish things but you never hear something like "the Red Mile is a disgusting display and has put heterosexuals back a long way".

Can't you just ignore the gay pride parade?

[FlamesAddiction]

Come on, chaps are an important part of Alberta's cowboy heritage.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Wouldn't be much of a parade if it was just column after column of dudes marching in Dockers and golf shirts and gals in jeans and lumberjack shirts, now would it?

Besides, if you want a kick-ass parade you need these guys. If there ain't fellers wearing fezes and drivin' little cars, I ain't there.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Jun 14 2005, 03:17 AM
I don't really get the anger towards the gay pride things. I don't like seeing guys in assless chaps or G-strings either so I change the channel and I don't go to the parade and that problem is solved.

Straight people parade around doing pretty outlandish things but you never hear something like "the Red Mile is a disgusting display and has put heterosexuals back a long way".

Can't you just ignore the gay pride parade?

I don't see how it's any of my business whether or not a man or a woman wears assless chaps. Or if they're gay.

I don't see how a peaceful demonstration is 'disgusting', regardless of the clothing worn. Clarkey, maybe you're just intolerant of their beliefs/sexuality? Fair enough. You live in Alberta, and you're probably in the majority.

[MRCboicgy]

I didn't go, I stayed home. I'd rather sit back at home and watch baseball... plus knowing my ex would be there being his boy toy (prolly in collar too) for the dominant/abusive guy he's with...well that dampened my spirit too :P

I keep my dog leash in the bedroom and I figure you can have pride without making yourself look like a stereotype...god knows i bust lots of stereotypes (hell i started posting on a hockey forum....), but as a young, totally out, gay man i get completely disgusted during pride week. I know it's mostly fun and colour and that there are many well-meaning ppl behind things, but ya it gets to be too much

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[CaramonLS]

Originally posted by Agamemnon+Jun 14 2005, 03:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Agamemnon @ Jun 14 2005, 03:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RougeUnderoos@Jun 14 2005, 03:17 AM
I don't really get the anger towards the gay pride things. I don't like seeing guys in assless chaps or G-strings either so I change the channel and I don't go to the parade and that problem is solved.

Straight people parade around doing pretty outlandish things but you never hear something like "the Red Mile is a disgusting display and has put heterosexuals back a long way".

Can't you just ignore the gay pride parade?

I don't see how it's any of my business whether or not a man or a woman wears assless chaps. Or if they're gay.

I don't see how a peaceful demonstration is 'disgusting', regardless of the clothing worn. Clarkey, maybe you're just intolerant of their beliefs/sexuality? Fair enough. You live in Alberta, and you're probably in the majority. [/b][/quote]
Wow. Sorry Aga you missed the point of his post completely.

I tend to agree with Clarkey here. I'm all for Gay Marriage, equal rights for gays, but really, I don't see any S&M or Sex parades going down on 17th.

[Clarkey]

Originally posted by fotze@Jun 14 2005, 03:08 AM
I would probably agree with most of that other than the 'keeps a low profile'. If you added 'keeps a relatively similar profile as the rest of the guests at the party' then I would be fine.

That's more what I meant fozzy.

I know I could change the channel, but it's like the train wreck affect, you gotta keep watching. It doesn't particularly offend me anyway, I'm just saying that it's not helping in the acceptance department.

Agamemnon and Rouge, if you want to wear assless chaps and nipple clips down 17th ave, by all means feel free I don't want to infringe on your right to do that. I'm just saying that if you do, you are a complete fool.

If you want to be accepted, act acceptable!

[Winsor_Pilates]

As much as I'm usually the left winger socialist, who is quick to jump to the defence of gays and other minorities, I'm gonna have to agree with Clarky on this one.

I think gays should be proud of who they are, but these parades portray gays as sleezy and sluty which is not a positive image for any group to have. They come off as being overtly sexual without any regard for safety or dignity. It only furthers a devide between relatively normal gay people and a population of straight people who believe all gays are freaks because they've seen these parades.

I think people would be alot more excepting of gays, if these parades showcased the positive things that gay people have done. Instead of a guy in leather, why not show a succesful University professor who happens to be gay, or a CEO, or a doctor.

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos
Straight people parade around doing pretty outlandish things but you never hear something like "the Red Mile is a disgusting display and has put heterosexuals back a long way".

I usually agree with your points, but can't see this comparison.
The difference is that the red mile was not an event aimed at bringing attention to the heterosexual community. It was not representative of heterosexuals, homosexuals or anything in between. The gay pride on the other hand is designed and intended to bring positive attention to the gay community.

I think a more fair comparison would be, to have a straight pride parade full of strippers, hookers and pimps. And then we could say it is a bad representation of heterosexuals.

Can't you just ignore the gay pride parade?

If people ignore it, it had failed in its mission. The event is organized to draw attention and awareness of the gay community. People ignoring it, is almost as bad as people turned off by it. The goal should be to get people to accept it, enjoy it, and maybe open up some close minds.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by CaramonLS@Jun 14 2005, 03:31 AM
Wow. Sorry Aga you missed the point of his post completely.

I tend to agree with Clarkey here. I'm all for Gay Marriage, equal rights for gays, but really, I don't see any S&M or Sex parades going down on 17th.

Well... at least you're sorry.

I must have missed his point completely, I wasn't aware of any S&M or Sex parades going down 17th.

Are you implying that the parade is about gay-sex, not homosexuality? Are these the same thing? Are you the best judge of what they should or should not be doing to represent themselves? Is it _really_ important that YOU approve of what THEY do? Not to them, and not to me. I don't even really care whether _I_ agree with them or not. It's not my call, nor is it my problem. They're free to march, I'm free to march. They choose to, I choose not to.

What's the problem? Are they going to turn your kids gay? Everyone watching the parade maybe? Are they corrupting the social-fabric of our great-straight society?

What the hell are you guys afraid of? If homosexuality was completely acceptable, I doubt there would be a need for gay parades. Just like there isn't a need for straight parades.

[CaramonLS]

Originally posted by Agamemnon+Jun 14 2005, 03:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Agamemnon @ Jun 14 2005, 03:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CaramonLS@Jun 14 2005, 03:31 AM
Wow. Sorry Aga you missed the point of his post completely.

I tend to agree with Clarkey here. I'm all for Gay Marriage, equal rights for gays, but really, I don't see any S&M or Sex parades going down on 17th.

Well... at least you're sorry.

I must have missed his point completely, I wasn't aware of any S&M or Sex parades going down 17th.

Are you implying that the parade is about gay-sex, not homosexuality? Are these the same thing? Are you the best judge of what they should or should not be doing to represent themselves? Is it _really_ important that YOU approve of what THEY do? Not to them, and not to me. I don't even really care whether _I_ agree with them or not. It's not my call, nor is it my problem. They're free to march, I'm free to march. They choose to, I choose not to.

What's the problem? Are they going to turn your kids gay? Everyone watching the parade maybe? Are they corrupting the social-fabric of our great-straight society?

What the hell are you guys afraid of? If homosexuality was completely acceptable, I doubt there would be a need for gay parades. Just like there isn't a need for straight parades. [/b][/quote]
Aga, no offense - you are a complete nut job.

This has nothing to do with Gays at all. Try reading what someone posted as opposed to chalking it up to the "big conservative conspiricy" world you live in.

[Clarkey]

Originally posted by fotze+Jun 14 2005, 03:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fotze @ Jun 14 2005, 03:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-MRCboicgy@Jun 13 2005, 09:29 PM
I didn't go, I stayed home. I'd rather sit back at home and watch baseball... plus knowing my ex would be there being his boy toy (prolly in collar too) for the dominant/abusive guy he's with...well that dampened my spirit too :P

I keep my dog leash in the bedroom and I figure you can have pride without making yourself look like a stereotype...god knows i bust lots of stereotypes (hell i started posting on a hockey forum....), but as a young, totally out, gay man i get completely disgusted during pride week. I know it's mostly fun and colour and that there are many well-meaning ppl behind things, but ya it gets to be too much

edit:spelling

Well as you may be the first outty type guy on Calgarypuck I hope you keep posting.

They really should have topless shriners drivng in mini cars with nipple accesories. [/b][/quote]
Shriners in nipple clips, ha! Dude, you never cease to break the ice on this site, if your wit is as quick in real life as it is on here you should do stand up.

[Agamemnon]

As much as I'm usually the left winger socialist, who is quick to jump to the defence of gays and other minorities, I'm gonna have to agree with Clarky on this one.

That's too bad. Clarkey's argument follows the typical right-wing trend of 'they can be gay, just don't be it around me or in public'.

I think gays should be proud of who they are, but these parades portray gays as sleezy and sluty which is not a positive image for any group to have. They come off as being overtly sexual without any regard for safety or dignity. It only furthers a devide between relatively normal gay people and a population of straight people who believe all gays are freaks because they've seen these parades.

Well, the Red Mile, as pointed out earlier, was rife with topless women. Are they a disgrace to heterosexuality? They came off as overtly sexual and overtly heterosexual to me, I'm not sure about the rest of you. What's the difference? A straight chick is allowed to bear it all, no problems, but gay/lesbians doing the same is wrong? It's cool if it's for the Flames, but not if it's for a personal cause?

I think people would be alot more excepting of gays, if these parades showcased the positive things that gay people have done. Instead of a guy in leather, why not show a succesful University professor who happens to be gay, or a CEO, or a doctor.

Fair enough. I think if people were more accepting of gays, these parades wouldn't exist. I highly doubt they're looking to corner and dominate the parade scene. I think the parades MAY be linked to the lack of acceptance of homosexuality in heterosexual circles. Maybe not.

The difference is that the red mile was not an event aimed at bringing attention to the heterosexual community. It was not representative of heterosexuals, homosexuals or anything in between. The gay pride on the other hand is designed and intended to bring positive attention to the gay community.

I think this is a poor point. The 'heterosexual community' is a LARGE portion of society. Having a heterosexual parade would be equivalent to having a White Parade. Dumb idea, and no need for it, whites do just fine, as do heterosexuals.

If you don't think chicks bearing their T**s on the Red Mile has heterosexual connotations, then I guess we differ on this point. I know quite a few guys that went to 17th specifically looking for breasts, as well as a pretty popular website focusing on the same.

I think a more fair comparison would be, to have a straight pride parade full of strippers, hookers and pimps. And then we could say it is a bad representation of heterosexuals.

If that's how you saw the people in the Gay Parade, that's how you saw them. A bunch of strippers, hookers, and pimps are they're heterosexual equivalent (apparently). Fair enough, I definitely did not see those people as 'strippers, hookers, and pimps'.

If people ignore it, it had failed in its mission. The event is organized to draw attention and awareness of the gay community. People ignoring it, is almost as bad as people turned off by it. The goal should be to get people to accept it, enjoy it, and maybe open up some close minds.

Yep. Sometimes they succeed in this goal, and other times, as exemplified in this thread, they fail. Win some Lose some.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by CaramonLS@Jun 14 2005, 03:49 AM
Aga, no offense - you are a complete nut job.

This has nothing to do with Gays at all. Try reading what someone posted as opposed to chalking it up to the "big conservative conspiricy" world you live in.

Lol, no offense? Ah the name-calling, first-refuge of the nimble of mind.

I'd respond... but you added nothing to the debate. I'm reading each post here quite carefully. What is this 'big conservative conspiracy' you speak of? I'm very interested... Are you a part of it?

[Faid1]

Would this thread even exist if the stereotypical biker bear was replaced with hot hot lesbians kissing?

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by fotze+Jun 14 2005, 03:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fotze @ Jun 14 2005, 03:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Agamemnon@Jun 13 2005, 09:27 PM
You live in Alberta, and you're probably in the majority.

Ya, as Agamemnon suggests, don't judge all people by a small subset of the population. You have to admit, that is pretty hypocritical.[/b][/quote]
I don't see how. I'm from that small subset of the population (Alberta). I don't think it's hypocritical of me to judge my own 'people'. Most people I know in Calgary feel the same way as Clarkey. If I'm wrong, please, enlighten me.

[CaramonLS]

Originally posted by Agamemnon+Jun 14 2005, 03:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Agamemnon @ Jun 14 2005, 03:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CaramonLS@Jun 14 2005, 03:49 AM
Aga, no offense - you are a complete nut job.

This has nothing to do with Gays at all. Try reading what someone posted as opposed to chalking it up to the "big conservative conspiricy" world you live in.

Lol, no offense? Ah the name-calling, first-refuge of the nimble of mind.

I'd respond... but you added nothing to the debate. I'm reading each post here quite carefully. What is this 'big conservative conspiracy' you speak of? I'm very interested... Are you a part of it? [/b][/quote]
If you actually read Clarkey's post before spouting off on him, this issue really had nothing to do with Gays at all.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally posted by Clarkey@Jun 13 2005, 08:50 PM
Shriners in nipple clips, ha! Dude, you never cease to break the ice on this site, if your wit is as quick in real life as it is on here you should do stand up.

This would help.

But no one is saying don't be gay, in fact that seems to be the opposite of what Clarky is saying. In fact he is saying if you want to be accepted, don't go out and make ways of making yourself visable, for the sake of making yourself different. Now I don't have a problem with someone being homosexual, but really what good does it do to have a man walking down the street in assless chaps or weaking a dog collar. I mean really it just pushes people back into stereotypes, which should be attempted to be broken down. I know people who are gay, and it doesn't change my view of them as people, but at the same time I am sure my view would change of anyone if they decided to walk down the street in assless chaps, with nipple clamps hanging out.

Nothing to do with being homosexual, everything to do with being socially acceptable. Well unless you are saying that homosexuals are biologically driven to act as they do in the parades.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by fotze+Jun 14 2005, 03:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fotze @ Jun 14 2005, 03:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Lol, no offense? Ah the name-calling, first-refuge of the nimble of mind.

I'd respond... but you added nothing to the debate. I'm reading each post here quite carefully. What is this 'big conservative conspiracy' you speak of? I'm very interested... Are you a part of it?

Wouldn't nimble of mind be a good thing? :P feeble would be a bad thing. carry on [/b][/quote]
Sorry, I was being subtle and sarcastic. I'll stop now.

[MRCboicgy]

Originally posted by fotze+Jun 13 2005, 08:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fotze @ Jun 13 2005, 08:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-MRCboicgy@Jun 13 2005, 09:29 PM
I didn't go, I stayed home. I'd rather sit back at home and watch baseball... plus knowing my ex would be there being his boy toy (prolly in collar too) for the dominant/abusive guy he's with...well that dampened my spirit too :P

I keep my dog leash in the bedroom and I figure you can have pride without making yourself look like a stereotype...god knows i bust lots of stereotypes (hell i started posting on a hockey forum....), but as a young, totally out, gay man i get completely disgusted during pride week. I know it's mostly fun and colour and that there are many well-meaning ppl behind things, but ya it gets to be too much

edit:spelling

Well as you may be the first outty type guy on Calgarypuck I hope you keep posting.

They really should have topless shriners drivng in mini cars with nipple accesories. [/b][/quote]
hehe I'll try, prolly post more when hockey season comes back...

Just a story:

Me during reg season (with my company tix): who wants to come to a hockey game?
My friends: eww, how straight of you (yah i've had those words verbatim several times)

Me during the playoffs: I got playo....
Them: take us to the game pleeeeeeeeaassssseeeeeeeee!

Me: Took my straight friends

considering i dress more like a skateboarder than either a guy in a polo shirt and dockers, a topless shriner, or a member of the village people it is very straight of me, so what i revel in the fact i can usually make someone's jaw drop when i tell em i'm gay...i mean i'm the last one anyone thinks is gay so...