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flamey_mcflame · 01-26-2009, 12:22 AM

But I thought all police, and for that matter, anyone in a uniform are heroes always. Power, power, power baby. At some point, we should have our heroes take extensive psychological tests periodically to determine that they are not as stupid, antisocial and racist as these three upholders of the law.

ShaolinFlame · 01-26-2009, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by fotze

If you're being serious with this post then you can go back to your country too.

I came in here to agree and tell my story of being treated poorly by the Vancouver Police Department (I guess stories). The CPS blows them out of the water when it comes to common sense, being reasonable, and abiding by the book. So do the RCMP (Richmond and UBC).

But Fotze made me laugh so hard I'll just give him some props.

REDVAN · 01-26-2009, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by fotze

If you're being serious with this post then you can go back to your country too.

I knew it was a joke, but yeah, usually I laugh my arse off at your posts. Just thought the timing was bad.

I actually am of the opinion that if new immigrants don't like it here, they can go back. However, this is not the case here, and this man who was beaten deserves justice!

metallicat · 01-26-2009, 01:05 AM

Well I'm not going to jump to conclusions on this yet. As much as many of you guys hate it when people are so pro-police you think we figure they do nothing wrong, I'm going to wait until an official investigation is at least completed. As of right now, about all there is to go on is a newspaper article.

The flip side to my point of view regarding police issues, is that a lot of people immediately jump on the cops before hearing both sides of the story, simply because it's the police. In many people's eyes, they can do no right.

And regardless of the outcome here, I think blanket statements such as saying the entire Vancouver Police Service is corrupt, is flat out wrong and is a ridiculous notion.

HOZ · 01-26-2009, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

The cops in the Vancouver area have a long standing reputation for corruption. This is just another example.

Quoting for truth. Learned this in 1989. And I do not know why this is so, but it is.

Bagor · 01-26-2009, 06:47 AM

Isn't this normal police procedure when you don't have your taser?

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

I'm going to wait until an official investigation is at least completed.

LOL! Official investigation? I think Joe public wants to know why 5 days later they haven't been charged with assualt.

metallicat · 01-26-2009, 11:15 AM

So you think they should just be charged without an investigation? How about when you watch the news, and you hear "charges are pending" against people in traffic accidents for example. Do you care that they aren't charged immediately, or is it just because these are police officers? What if they actually aren't guilty in this case?

ikaris · 01-26-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

So you think they should just be charged without an investigation? How about when you watch the news, and you hear "charges are pending" against people in traffic accidents for example. Do you care that they aren't charged immediately, or is it just because these are police officers? What if they actually aren't guilty in this case?

Interesting to suggest the presumption of innocence when multiple witnesses and videotaped surveillance allegedly exists.

The reality is, if there weren't witnesses, or videotape evidence, the newspaper deliverer would be screwed, and likely arrested with no recourse.

mykalberta · 01-26-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by flylock shox

This is true.

Also important is the context in which this happened. Police forces in BC do not receive the same degree of public support as they do in Alberta.

Its likely difficult to think rationally when you are toking up while driving a ferry

If this is done off duty, then it should be handled like anything else. Charge the 3 with whatever and let the courts sort it out. This wasnt Rodney King in the park - technically the guys could have been anyone announcing they were cops.

If a copy isnt on duty IMO, then treat them like anyone else. If they tell you to stop you keep on going and if there are 3 of them compared to your 1, then you take appropriate actions.

habernac · 01-26-2009, 11:31 AM

An old friend of mine is a chef. A few years ago, he was at his restaurant very early in the morning doing prep work. He'd fallen asleep at his counter, 4 uniformed policemen (this is in Vancouver) barged in and started beating the crap out of him. He kept telling him he worked there asking them to stop. It turns out they were reponding to a 911 call of an intruder and were at the wrong address. But hey, beating on a sleeping person with nightsticks is fully warranted.

metallicat · 01-26-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ikaris

Interesting to suggest the presumption of innocence when multiple witnesses and videotaped surveillance allegedly exists.

The reality is, if there weren't witnesses, or videotape evidence, the newspaper deliverer would be screwed, and likely arrested with no recourse.

Then let it play out. If these things do exist, they'll get what's coming to them.

PsYcNeT · 01-26-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

So you think they should just be charged without an investigation? How about when you watch the news, and you hear "charges are pending" against people in traffic accidents for example. Do you care that they aren't charged immediately, or is it just because these are police officers? What if they actually aren't guilty in this case?

Well they will be found 'not guilty' after being charged. A charge is not an instant condemnation, not is it a stamp of guilt.

It's merely a legal formality and a gesture towards the public that the service is not taking the matter lightly.

Bagor · 01-26-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

So you think they should just be charged without an investigation? How about when you watch the news, and you hear "charges are pending" against people in traffic accidents for example. Do you care that they aren't charged immediately, or is it just because these are police officers? What if they actually aren't guilty in this case?

At the time of my post and counting it is 5 days post incident.

I care that when there are multiple witnesses to an assualt AND video evidence that they haven't been charged 5 days later.

Are you honestly trying to suggest to me that in cases where such evidence exists it "normally" takes the cops >5 days to lay a charge?

It's an assault with multiple witnesses and video evidence, not a complicated murder scene.

metallicat · 01-26-2009, 11:57 AM

I'm not a cop, I don't know the exact timeline. Any article I've read suggests that there is a video, but I don't know if that is confirmed. Regardless, this story is already large, so it won't just be swept under the rug.

I-Hate-Hulse · 01-26-2009, 03:05 PM

Looks like the City workers have stepped out and publicly confirmed the story.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...s.html?ref=rss

So assuming the workers aren't in cahoots with Khan, it looks pretty damning for the accused. We'll see after the investigation of course.

4X4 · 01-26-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rubecube

Yeah right. Have you seen some of the blind, militant statements made by the "cops are always right" crowd here? I swear a cop could devour a kitten with a side of baby blood, in the middle of Chinook Centre, with 300 witnesses, and that crowd would still blame the kitten somehow.

Yup. There are people that indeed think that way.

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Originally Posted by ikaris

But... but.. police officers never can do wrong??!?!

Yeah, we get it.

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Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

But I thought all police, and for that matter, anyone in a uniform are heroes always

Hookers and blow!!

I-Hate-Hulse · 01-26-2009, 06:59 PM

Charges now being recommended against the officers by the VPD.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...uverpolice0126

henriksedin33 · 01-26-2009, 08:49 PM

So ONE of the three is facing an assault charge.

Hmm...

Vulcan · 01-27-2009, 01:56 AM

If you want to get an idea of the corruption that goes on. The Vancouver police chief was recently found guilty of discredible conduct so he retired and has now been hired to be the Victoria Police chief to replace the Victoria Police Chief who was found guilty of the same thing.

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l...shColumbiaHome

and this ain't nothing new. It's been going on as long as I can remember. Good story for some history buffs.

http://www.vancouverhistory.ca/archives_mulligan.htm