Canadian ISP's Intentionally Make P2P Slow

[bomber317]

Interesting, I wonder if Shaw is under the Rogers brand in this case.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/P2P-Inte...news-3340.html

[Cliche]

There is definitely traffic shaping occurring with Shaw. Also there's a definite monthly bandwidth allotment in the various Shaw plans as well, and apparently it's been bumped to 60 GB/month instead of 50.

(I mean really, unless you are serving a website or an FTP or whatever, I can't imagine using the 150 GB/month bandwidth they have for the highest rate service they have)

[Barnes]

Shaw does not in Calgary. In Vancouver they were but I am not sure if they still are.

[Russic]

Is there any way to tell how much you've been downloading from month to month?

[bomber317]

Originally Posted by Cliche

There is definitely traffic shaping occurring with Shaw. Also there's a definite monthly bandwidth allotment in the various Shaw plans as well, and apparently it's been bumped to 60 GB/month instead of 50.

(I mean really, unless you are serving a website or an FTP or whatever, I can't imagine using the 150 GB/month bandwidth they have for the highest rate service they have)

I'm not concerned with the bandwidth constraints because as you stated, it's quite high at 60GB /month.

More concerned about the speed limiters on PTP traffic.

[mykalberta]

For shaw, login into the shaw site (normally the login is the same as your primary shaw email account), you can check there. secure.shaw.ca and click on your modem useage.

I just checked mine and I normally max at 12Gb/month. I dont pirate movies or anything. Just normal web surfing, audible.com downloads, itunes downlaods, X360 online, some gaming etc.

[Bobblehead]

This is actually pretty old news. Traffic shaping has been occurring in Canada for years. Rogers was first in, but most other ISPs have been rolling it out ever since then.

I think there are still a number of battles to come. When bit-torrent started encrypting its traffic to avoid the throttling, Rogers started throttling all encrypted traffic so even encrypted mail traffic and so on that crossed Rogers were being affected.

This hearing that is being reported is actually the result of hearing that was CAIP v Bell.

In CAIP v Bell, CAIP (a small ISP who buys their bandwidth from Bell) complained that their traffic was being throttled by Bell in violation of the act that specifies that Bell must sell bandwidth to resellers. Last month the CRTC ruled that Bell had not violated their act.

Bell responded by saying:

With this decision, the Commission has rightly confirmed that network operators are in the best position to determine how to operate their networks effectively and efficiently, to allow fair and proportionate use of the Internet by all users.

As soon as the CRTC heard that, they begged to differ:

Someone told me Bell put out a press release that said the commission upheld its position that network management practices are a fundamental right of theirs. That's not what we said at all.

(per M. Geist http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/3531/125/)

What the CRTC had said was that Bell wasn't being anti-competitive with its throttling. CAIP was being throttled no more than Bell was throttling its own customers. As far as whether throttling should be allowed in the first place or not, the CRTC is currently investigating (http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2008/pt2008-19.htm) and this news is from part of that investigation. There is a blog with a list of the questions the CRTC has asked the ISPs, and some of the responses (many of the responses have been flagged as confidential, so not released).
http://mhgoldberg.com/blog/2009/01/n...rrogatory.html

[Kipper is King]

Yay for Telus!

[Hack&Lube]

Oh no, now I must wait an extra day for my pr0n to download...

Seriously, p2p traffic shaping is bad and I hate ISPs for doing it (especially to encrypted traffic)...but do you really need your torrents that badly? Go to bed and it'll be there by morning.

Or learn how to use Usenet.

That said, internet regulation and the practices of the big ISPs are terrible in Canada. This country lags behind many asian countries in internet speed.

[photon]

Or rent an offsite server with huge pipe and do your torrents there and FTP them to yourself. There's places that seriously offer that kind of service.

[photon]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

For shaw, login into the shaw site (normally the login is the same as your primary shaw email account), you can check there. secure.shaw.ca and click on your modem useage.

I don't have the option there. Apparently they only turn it on if you ask for it, or if you've received warnings in the past.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by photon

I don't have the option there. Apparently they only turn it on if you ask for it, or if you've received warnings in the past.

this is correct. how it was originally setup was you would need a bandwidth violation ticket in the troubleticketing software, then the modem bandwidth monitor would be viewable from secure.shaw.ca (if a customer asked to view it without first getting a warning, a TSR would create a dummy ticket). what's funny now though is that a new trouble ticketing program was created rendering the old one obsolete EXCEPT for the bandwidth portion, which apparently the new version doesn't support. so now we keep a server running the old software that no one uses for the sole purpose of creating bandwidth tickets so people can view their modem usage

so yes, if you're curious you can phone the tech support line and they can enable your modem usage monitor

[cSpooge]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

this is correct. how it was originally setup was you would need a bandwidth violation ticket in the troubleticketing software, then the modem bandwidth monitor would be viewable from secure.shaw.ca (if a customer asked to view it without first getting a warning, a TSR would create a dummy ticket). what's funny now though is that a new trouble ticketing program was created rendering the old one obsolete EXCEPT for the bandwidth portion, which apparently the new version doesn't support. so now we keep a server running the old software that no one uses for the sole purpose of creating bandwidth tickets so people can view their modem usage

so yes, if you're curious you can phone the tech support line and they can enable your modem usage monitor

This is why I have it built in to my router firmware!

[Ronald Pagan]

Usenet is never slow.

At least not yet...

[PsYcNeT]

If traffic shaping is translating into the 2-3 megabytes (not bits) a second I'm getting from some private trackers, then I am not one to complain.

What I have been having trouble with lately is my latency, but I'm starting to suspect it's my new router...

[Ozy_Flame]

When I was living in New Zealand two years ago, Bandwidth allotment with Telcom was 5G a month.

60G is very, very generous.

[sixpacked]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

For shaw, login into the shaw site (normally the login is the same as your primary shaw email account), you can check there. secure.shaw.ca and click on your modem useage.

I just checked mine and I normally max at 12Gb/month. I dont pirate movies or anything. Just normal web surfing, audible.com downloads, itunes downlaods, X360 online, some gaming etc.

Was just there, checked twice, but cannot locate "Modem usage"?????? Oops never mind, didn't read further along.

[Mike F]

For what it's worth, I'm currently downloading a torrent at ~920 kB/s (public tracker) on shaw.

Plenty fast enough for me, so if it's being shaped I'm not going to complain.

[Azure]

Don't they just shape during peak hours?

Thats what I notice with my ISP.