NBA Finals Thread

[Heaton]

Pistons vs. Spurs

Should be an EXCELLENT series, but yeah yeah, I know most people will cry because it's not the Suns vs. the Heat, the two REAL teams made it.

Peace Shaq, Peace Wade,

and yeah i know they would've won if they were healthy right?

[JiriHrdina]

Tough to argue against the claim that if one of Shaq or Wade was healthy that they would've won considering how close they were anyways. None the less its moot - staying healthy is part of going all the way.

Pistons look good but I have to think the Spurs are going to take this. With the emergence of Ganobli they have a better offensive trio then the Pistons in my opinion. And they play defense almost as hard as the Pistons.

Spurs in 6.

[Heaton]

Originally posted by JiriHrdina@Jun 6 2005, 11:06 PM
Tough to argue against the claim that if one of Shaq or Wade was healthy that they would've won considering how close they were anyways. None the less its moot - staying healthy is part of going all the way.

Pistons look good but I have to think the Spurs are going to take this. With the emergence of Ganobli they have a better offensive trio then the Pistons in my opinion. And they play defense almost as hard as the Pistons.

Spurs in 6.

I hope you know I was being sarcastic right? The Pistons would've won either way, Shaq had 27 if he were 100% how many would he have scored? 45?

And once again the talk is the Pistons have no chance to win, well they had absolutely NO chance last year against the Lakers, and they had no chance this year against the Heat after losing 3 straight and then being down 3-2 right? The Pistons can do anything, they're the defending chance and should be treated as such.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Saying the Heat would have won with Shaq/Wade healthy is like Van fans saying the Canucks would have won if they had Bert... pretty useless. Mia had their chance to put Det away; instead of going up 8 in the 4th, Mia took stupid shots and let Det back into it, so props for the Pistons.

As for the finals, I'm not excited about them, as I don't like either team, so it's going to be a bit of a yawner for me; no team for me to hate like the Lakers last year, and no team that I love either.

I think Spurs will take it though - if it weren't for a BS Fisher shot last year, we would have seen this series last year.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally posted by I_H8_Crawford@Jun 6 2005, 09:19 PM
Saying the Heat would have won with Shaq/Wade healthy is like Van fans saying the Canucks would have won if they had Bert... pretty useless. Mia had their chance to put Det away; instead of going up 8 in the 4th, Mia took stupid shots and let Det back into it, so props for the Pistons.

It's a little different. Basketball is one sport where 1 dominant player can have a huge impact on the game.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally posted by Jiggy_12+Jun 6 2005, 09:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jiggy_12 @ Jun 6 2005, 09:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-I_H8_Crawford@Jun 6 2005, 09:19 PM
Saying the Heat would have won with Shaq/Wade healthy is like Van fans saying the Canucks would have won if they had Bert... pretty useless. Mia had their chance to put Det away; instead of going up 8 in the 4th, Mia took stupid shots and let Det back into it, so props for the Pistons.

It's a little different. Basketball is one sport where 1 dominant player can have a huge impact on the game. [/b][/quote]
Point is though, Heat had their chance, and they blew it... saying "if this" and "if that" is useless - they lost - much to my chagrin - but I just can't stand people who try to make excuses. I could care less which sport it is - and if you want an example of a dominant player making a difference in hockey, watch game 7 against Van and tell me that we win that game without Iginla...

[JiriHrdina]

Originally posted by Heaton+Jun 6 2005, 09:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Heaton @ Jun 6 2005, 09:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JiriHrdina@Jun 6 2005, 11:06 PM
Tough to argue against the claim that if one of Shaq or Wade was healthy that they would've won considering how close they were anyways. None the less its moot - staying healthy is part of going all the way.

Pistons look good but I have to think the Spurs are going to take this. With the emergence of Ganobli they have a better offensive trio then the Pistons in my opinion. And they play defense almost as hard as the Pistons.

Spurs in 6.

I hope you know I was being sarcastic right? The Pistons would've won either way, Shaq had 27 if he were 100% how many would he have scored? 45?

And once again the talk is the Pistons have no chance to win, well they had absolutely NO chance last year against the Lakers, and they had no chance this year against the Heat after losing 3 straight and then being down 3-2 right? The Pistons can do anything, they're the defending chance and should be treated as such. [/b][/quote]
Well first, no I was not being sarcastic. In my opinion if Shaq was 100% or Wade was 100% the Heat win the series. Is that such a stretch? And sure if Shaq was healthy maybe he would've poured in 45. As I said though its rather moot since staying healthy is part of winning championships. But to say the "pisions would've won either way" is an overstatement. With a healthy Wade the Heat had a series lead and were poised to take it.

Second - I didn't say the Pistons have no chance. I said I think the Spurs will win in 6. Pistons could easily win it too. Its a pretty even series matchup I think but so far the Spurs have been the most impressvie team in the playoffs.

[Heaton]

Originally posted by JiriHrdina+Jun 6 2005, 11:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JiriHrdina @ Jun 6 2005, 11:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I hope you know I was being sarcastic right? The Pistons would've won either way, Shaq had 27 if he were 100% how many would he have scored? 45?

And once again the talk is the Pistons have no chance to win, well they had absolutely NO chance last year against the Lakers, and they had no chance this year against the Heat after losing 3 straight and then being down 3-2 right? The Pistons can do anything, they're the defending chance and should be treated as such.

Well first, no I was not being sarcastic. In my opinion if Shaq was 100% or Wade was 100% the Heat win the series. Is that such a stretch? And sure if Shaq was healthy maybe he would've poured in 45. As I said though its rather moot since staying healthy is part of winning championships. But to say the "pisions would've won either way" is an overstatement. With a healthy Wade the Heat had a series lead and were poised to take it.

Second - I didn't say the Pistons have no chance. I said I think the Spurs will win in 6. Pistons could easily win it too. Its a pretty even series matchup I think but so far the Spurs have been the most impressvie team in the playoffs. [/b][/quote]
#1 Did shaq score 45 last year?

#2 I said I was being sarcastic.

#3 Wade was healthy throughout the majority of the series, Shaq produced just as well as he could've at 100%

[JiriHrdina]

1. No.
2. Oops. I did misread that. My bad. Although i'm unsure if you were being sarcastic when you say "detroit would have won either way"...if you were than my bad.
3. Wade was healthy for 5 games yes but lets face it - that doesn't matter unless the Heat finished them off in 5.

As for Shaq, he was a strange case in the series. I think his stats flattered his play to be honest. He got off to the hot starts in the first quarters but his play would tail off badly was the game wore on. He didn't have nearly the lift that he normally does, particularly on his little baby hook. And another good example was on the late dunk attempt in tonight's game. A healthy Shaq puts that in easily for the possible 3 point play, instead he gets fouled and has to go to the line instead. He did have a strong game 7 however. If you want to point fingers on the Heat bench I think you have to look squarely in the direction of Damon Jones. 1 point. That's awful. He needed to step up and instead he fell apart. Horrible tonight.

[Sylvanfan]

Heaton stop being such an arrogant ass. Spurs are rested and play the team game just like the Pistons do. The rest and home court makes this one Spurs in 6.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally posted by I_H8_Crawford+Jun 6 2005, 09:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (I_H8_Crawford @ Jun 6 2005, 09:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

It's a little different. Basketball is one sport where 1 dominant player can have a huge impact on the game.

Point is though, Heat had their chance, and they blew it... saying "if this" and "if that" is useless - they lost - much to my chagrin - but I just can't stand people who try to make excuses. I could care less which sport it is - and if you want an example of a dominant player making a difference in hockey, watch game 7 against Van and tell me that we win that game without Iginla... [/b][/quote]
Well no kidding. A player can dominate in any sport.

But in basketball 1 player has the opportunity to do it more often, thats all I am saying.

[HelloHockeyFans]

First of all, I hate Shaq, so I'm glad the Heat lost. However, Wade is freaking awesome, and I feel bad for him.

The Pistons are an awesome team, as are the Spurs. I'm gonna say Detroit for the repeat in 7.

[moon]

Its unfortunate Miami lost but that is the way the play-offs work I guess.

Of course if Wade and Shaq would have been healthy it would have made a difference. Not saying they would have necessarily won but certainly would have had a better chance.

No real reason to watch the finals now as both teams are super boring and couldn't care less who wins.

Congrats to Miami and Phoenix on both having excellent seasons and hopefully they can both come back next and finish what they started this year.

[octothorp]

I've got nothing against Shaq or against Wade. Sucks for them that they couldn't be healthy in the biggest game of the season. But man, I was happy to see Alonzo Mourning get knocked out of the playoffs. Not only get knocked out, but he looked old and tired in doing so: eight rebounds and five points in games six and seven. Yeah, I'm still bitter about the whole Toronto refusal-to-play thing.

[Heaton]

No real reason to watch the finals now as both teams are super boring and couldn't care less who wins.

Well, I'd rather see the past 2 champions duke it out than the Phoenix Suns vs. the Miami Heat. I dunno maybe I just like basketball that isnt 140 to 120 that gets even more boring, no defense, just running up and down making jump shots. No dramatic blocks or dramatic defensive plays because everyone is shooting 3's or just dunking. Personally every professional sports playoffs have to do with defense, the best defense wins. Baseball, it's pitching, Hockey it's goaltending, Football it's the entire defense, and with Basketball it's the 5 guys making big stops at the right time.

I guess people don't remember the Spurs scoring 100+ every game in the Phoenix series, and I guess people don't remember the Pistons scoring 90+ in multiple games. The games will play out just like the series should.

[moon]

Its not about scoring for me. I have seen both teams play and have no desire to continue watching them. I like the players on both Miami and Phoenix much better than any of the guys on Detroit or San Antonio and that has a much to do with it as anyhting else.

I can't stand either team and don't watch either of them win a championship. Its bad wnough they won last year and the year before.

[Mike__]

Originally posted by Heaton@Jun 7 2005, 10:24 AM

Well, I'd rather see the past 2 champions duke it out than the Phoenix Suns vs. the Miami Heat. I dunno maybe I just like basketball that isnt 140 to 120 that gets even more boring, no defense, just running up and down making jump shots. No dramatic blocks or dramatic defensive plays because everyone is shooting 3's or just dunking. Personally every professional sports playoffs have to do with defense, the best defense wins. Baseball, it's pitching, Hockey it's goaltending, Football it's the entire defense, and with Basketball it's the 5 guys making big stops at the right time.

I guess people don't remember the Spurs scoring 100+ every game in the Phoenix series, and I guess people don't remember the Pistons scoring 90+ in multiple games. The games will play out just like the series should.

Only time it gets dramatic is in the fourth quarter when the two teams are close. Also, it's not like there will be a block every possesion. It's like watching a trap filled hockey series. Very boring. Up the court *Clank*, Spurs with the ball *Clank*, Pistons run the screen and roll*Clank* etc. Nope, not exciting.

I guess people don't remember the Spurs scoring 100+ every game in the Phoenix series, and I guess people don't remember the Pistons scoring 90+ in multiple games. The games will play out just like the series should.

You just said they played teams who can't play defence. You probably won't be seeing many 100+ point games now that they are facing each others tough defence.

[Pagal4321]

My response to all this......
Who cares, it's basketball.

*braces for the oncomming bashing*

[JiriHrdina]

Originally posted by Pagal4321@Jun 7 2005, 03:26 PM
My response to all this......
Who cares, it's basketball.

*braces for the oncomming bashing*

And here it comes...

Of all the things that happen on this board the one thing that totally baffles me is when people open up a thread that does not interest them, and then take them time to write a post describing how it doesn't interest me.

Can someone explain this odd behavior to me?

[RedHot25]

Originally posted by JiriHrdina+Jun 7 2005, 09:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JiriHrdina @ Jun 7 2005, 09:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Pagal4321@Jun 7 2005, 03:26 PM
My response to all this......
Who cares, it's basketball.

*braces for the oncomming bashing*

And here it comes...

Of all the things that happen on this board the one thing that totally baffles me is when people open up a thread that does not interest them, and then take them time to write a post describing how it doesn't interest me.

Can someone explain this odd behavior to me? [/b][/quote]
I agree whole-heartedly....