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[troutman]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

i hate when people call themsleves Irish, Itialian, or (insert country) and they have never been there, they don't speak the language.

you are canadian.

We are scatterlings of Africa.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I think it's wrong to say one country is inferior to any other. Maybe even bordering on racist.

You may prefer it one place or another, but how can you actually make a judgment like that? A country is made up of it's people, you're saying certain nations and certain people are below or worse than others?

What I am saying is that certain countries are better then others. Certain countries have ongoing political unrest, social unrest and inequality, poor or corrupt economies, history of instability.......so yeah I am saying that some countries are better than others. Please do not claim that this is racist. Do you like some hockey teams better than others, some cars better than others, some types of food better than others? Clearly that are countries that are better than others. IMO Canada is one of the countries that is better than others. I have not doubt that if I had was still in the UK, I would not have the same standard of living I currently have.

So you view all countries the same? The world is a big bad place....there are bad countries.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by troutman

we are scatterlings of monkeys.

fixed

[jus_sum_guy]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

opinions...........everyone has them.....I have been to both Ireland and Italy......that is what I am basing my opinion on.

I think you sell Canada short on it's accomplishments.

I think you sell every other country short on their own accomplishments.

No country is inferior to Canada and Canada is not inferior to any other country.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by jus_sum_guy

I think you sell every other country short on their own accomplishments.

No country is inferior to Canada and Canada is not inferior to any other country.

so you are moving to Seira Leone or North Korea or Ukraine soon?

how do you say all countries are equal, nice concept.....just not factual

[malcolmk14]

Wow, to suggest someone is a racist for thinking one country is better than another is absolutely absurd. Especially when the better country is as multicultural and tolerant as Canada.

[jus_sum_guy]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

so you are moving to Seira Leone or North Korea or Ukraine soon?

how do you say all countries are equal, nice concept.....just not factual

I just read your post about our standard of living here being better than other countries. If that is indeed what you are basing your comments on then I agree 100%.

I thought you meant that Canada is the greatest country in the world and every other country should just keep to themselves... you know... like how the Americans think...

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

What I am saying is that certain countries are better then others. Certain countries have ongoing political unrest, social unrest and inequality, poor or corrupt economies, history of instability.......so yeah I am saying that some countries are better than others. Please do not claim that this is racist. Do you like some hockey teams better than others, some cars better than others, some types of food better than others? Clearly that are countries that are better than others. IMO Canada is one of the countries that is better than others. I have not doubt that if I had was still in the UK, I would not have the same standard of living I currently have.

So you view all countries the same? The world is a big bad place....there are bad countries.

Well Italy and Ireland aren't really places of unrest or instability.

And I guess it also depends on what you mean by 'better'. It's not like hockey teams where you can look at points. It's not a competition.

Lastly values are different around the world ad they are hardly universal in nature. Besides outright intolerance, how can we judge one set of values to another.

I mean I get where you're coming from, I too get tired of people complaining Canada hasn't made it's contributions or doesn't have anything important going for it. But to say that we're better than another country? Mmmm, sounds kinda intolerant. You may like it better, and that would be an opinion and one that I could get behind in many cases. But that's different than saying that it is in fact better.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

Wow, to suggest someone is a racist for thinking one country is better than another is absolutely absurd. Especially when the better country is as multicultural and tolerant as Canada.

I'm just not sure how you define better. You can say we are better at certain things. You can say you LIKE Canada better. But to say one country is better than another. Egotistical at best and intolerant at worst.

Maybe I'm just arguing semantics. I don't believe the poster to be racist, just not sure how you define a country as better than another.

[malcolmk14]

You can base it on a lot of things. Quality of life, standard of living, economic and political stability, immigration/emigration trends.

There's a reason you don't see people lined up at the Sierra Leone Immigration Authority desk. The country sucks.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Well Italy and Ireland aren't really places of unrest or instability.

And I guess it also depends on what you mean by 'better'. It's not like hockey teams where you can look at points. It's not a competition.

Lastly values are different around the world ad they are hardly universal in nature. Besides outright intolerance, how can we judge one set of values to another.

I mean I get where you're coming from, I too get tired of people complaining Canada hasn't made it's contributions or doesn't have anything important going for it. But to say that we're better than another country? Mmmm, sounds kinda intolerant. You may like it better, and that would be an opinion and one that I could get behind in many cases. But that's different than saying that it is in fact better.

maybe this is getting lost in the subilties of the "canadian" language. IMO, canada is a better place to live, there by making it, IMO, a better country.

As I said in an earlier post everyone has opinions. Do I honestly think Canada is better than other countries, yes, there come and fit me for my white sheet. However, if you think that is racist, you have not seen racism at work first hand (I have).

BTW, do some searches, racism and intolerance are major problems currently facing Italy.

[Daradon]

RE Malcolm: ^^^ Then one should probably qualify the statement by saying they are basing it on those things, instead of a blanket statement 'we rule, they suck', sorta thing.

I'd still feel bad saying Canada is better than Sierra Leone. It's not a lot of those people's fault the country is in the state it is. I can definitely say I wouldn't want to live there, but I would have a hard time saying, 'that country sucks'.

And the original example was made with Italy and Ireland, not places like Sierra Leone. And those places have democratic governments and high quality of life.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by Daradon

RE Malcolm: ^^^ Then one should probably qualify the statement by saying they are basing it on those things, instead of a blanket statement 'we rule, they suck', sorta thing.

I'd still feel bad saying Canada is better than Sierra Leone. It's not a lot of those people's fault the country is in the state it is. I can definitely say I wouldn't want to live there, but I would have a hard time saying, 'that country sucks'.

And the original example was made with Italy and Ireland, not places like Sierra Leone. And those places have democratic governments and high quality of life.

Ireland and Italy were just the countries "flip" mentioned.......had he mentioned Seirra Leone or Uganda would you have been happier?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

maybe this is getting lost in the subilties of the "canadian" language. IMO, canada is a better place to live, there by making it, IMO, a better country.

As I said in an earlier post everyone has opinions. Do I honestly think Canada is better than other countries, yes, there come and fit me for my white sheet. However, if you think that is racist, you have not seen racism at work first hand (I have).

BTW, do some searches, racism and intolerance are major problems currently facing Italy.

Oh I'm fine with the IMO, you just didn't preface it like that before. And I know you aren't racist, like I said earlier. It just came out weird, or I misunderstood.

It'd be like me saying, well I'm better than 'so and so'. Kinda mean to that person, especially if I don't say WHY or at WHAT I am better.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

Ireland and Italy were just the countries "flip" mentioned.......had he mentioned Seirra Leone or Uganda would you have been happier?

I would have understood it more, yes of course.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I would have understood it more, yes of course.

so it was semantics?

[malcolmk14]

I think we can all move on from this argument and just agree that African Americans can now be called Darkies.

[habernac]

well this went in a direction I never envisioned

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

so it was semantics?

Haha, yeah I did say we might be arguing semantics a few posts back.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Oh I'm fine with the IMO, you just didn't preface it like that before. And I know you aren't racist, like I said earlier. It just came out weird, or I misunderstood.

It'd be like me saying, well I'm better than 'so and so'. Kinda mean to that person, especially if I don't say WHY or at WHAT I am better.

what i said was:

I see you points, but as someone that was born in England or Welsh decent, but has Canadian Citizenship, and served in our army, it still drives me nuts that people make attempts at linking themselves to countries that are IMO inferior to ours.....and just so I am clear you only cheer for Ireland when they are in a drinking contest? With all do respect knowing you Italian geography does not make you italian.

This desire to be attached to another country is a weakness of our nation and one I wish would stop.

Slàinte & Alla Salute

just saying................