BattleStar Galactica - SPOILER WARNING

[Canada 02]

were all earthlings cylons? If so, then during Tyrol's flashback (at Granville Island), all the the people around him were also cylons? If so, there were a lot of skinjobs who weren't the 12 models

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

(Also, not to be a mood killer, but the New York Times is right in saying Edward James Olmos is guilty of "over-acting.")

all the best space captains are

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

all the best space captains are

Good one.

The show gave us the fifth Cylon (Starbuck) then yanked it away with Tigh's revelation at the end.

More mystery.

Although Starbuck, it would seem, is definitely not the Starbuck who started the show. (I haven't liked Katee Sackoff's sometimes shrieking performances through some of this show but she was terrific last night).

Was Starbuck going to confess to Lee Adama? Was she just giving herself a decent burial with her pyrotechnics or was she hiding the evidence?

What's Leoben going to tell his friends at the Cylon party tonight?

It seems the other four recently revealed Cylon's had visions of their previous lives, 2000 years ago, on Earth . . . . . but Starbuck didn't.

Does Starbuck still have a destiny or is it done now?

"All of this has happened before and all of this has happened again." - Could we interpret the visions of the other four recently revealed Cylons to mean that human societies rise to a certain point, are destroyed by their mechanical creations only to build up again in other places?

Helen's last words to Tigh 2000 years ago were something like: "Don't worry Bill, we'll meet again, it's all been taken care of."

No wonder Kate Vernon (Helen) was unusually chipper when she was dropping in on the Sci-Fi.com battlestar board.

Is Dualla going to wake up on Brother Cavell's ship? Apparently not:

Ron Moore interviewed in today's Chicago Tribune blog talks about the death of Dualla and Ellen Tigh: http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune....alla-dee-.html

Lots of mystery in this episode.

Cowperson

[MarchHare]

I read a theory on another board that Ellen isn't the final cylon, but rather an older version of Number Six.

It's a neat idea, but the BSG writers are so creatively bankrupt at this point that I doubt they would ever come up with something like that. I still can't believe how far this show has fallen. I'll still watch it until the end in hopes that the finale redeems the past few seasons, but I don't think there's been an episode I've really enjoyed since before the New Caprica mini-arc.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Good one.

The show gave us the fifth Cylon (Starbuck) then yanked it away with Tigh's revelation at the end.

More mystery.

Although Starbuck, it would seem, is definitely not the Starbuck who started the show. (I haven't liked Katee Sackoff's sometimes shrieking performances through some of this show but she was terrific last night).

Was Starbuck going to confess to Lee Adama? Was she just giving herself a decent burial with her pyrotechnics or was she hiding the evidence?

What's Leoben going to tell his friends at the Cylon party tonight?

It seems the other four recently revealed Cylon's had visions of their previous lives, 2000 years ago, on Earth . . . . . but Starbuck didn't.

Does Starbuck still have a destiny or is it done now?

"All of this has happened before and all of this has happened again." - Could we interpret the visions of the other four recently revealed Cylons to mean that human societies rise to a certain point, are destroyed by their mechanical creations only to build up again in other places?

Helen's last words to Tigh 2000 years ago were something like: "Don't worry Bill, we'll meet again, it's all been taken care of."

No wonder Kate Vernon (Helen) was unusually chipper when she was dropping in on the Sci-Fi.com battlestar board.

Is Dualla going to wake up on Brother Cavell's ship? Apparently not:

Ron Moore interviewed in today's Chicago Tribune blog talks about the death of Dualla and Ellen Tigh: http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune....alla-dee-.html

Lots of mystery in this episode.

Cowperson

I think Starbuck is a cylon, either there's a resurrection facility on earth, or she was the product of breeding between cylons, something that they were desparate to achieve, they made hints in the preview for next week that one of the cylons is pregnant. To me that goes towards the whole its going to happen again. Starbucks destiny is done, theres a new harbringer being born to 6. This Harbringer is going to lead a future generation through the same thing, maybe back to the legend of the 12 colonies.

Will we see Ellen Tigh again, probably will, but who's side will she be on.

There's going to be a major battle between the human/cylons and Brother Cavills cylons, I'm guessing that no one but maybe a few of the humans survive to flee earth.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

they made hints in the preview for next week that one of the cylons is pregnant.

Actually, that was revealed last season (or the first half of this season, whatever they consider it). The Six who was being held in the brig on Caprica is pregnant, presumably impregnated by Tigh when he was visiting her and hallucinating that she was Ellen.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by getbak

Actually, that was revealed last season (or the first half of this season, whatever they consider it). The Six who was being held in the brig on Caprica is pregnant, presumably impregnated by Tigh when he was visiting her and hallucinating that she was Ellen.

Yup, and remember that cylons couldn't breed in that way originally, thats why they had a baby experimentation factory on the colonies and they took starbucks baby bits.

This baby is the next starbuck.

[Yeah_Baby]

I for one am glad that Starbuck isn't the final 12 model Cylons. That would have been the world's biggest cope out.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I for one am glad that Starbuck isn't the final 12 model Cylons. That would have been the world's biggest cope out.

Why?

[Ronald Pagan]

How far and how fast this show has fallen.

The biggest problem was that the creative crew tied themselves to a cheap hook and now can't satisfactorily write themselves out of it.

By giving us a "who are the cylons?" angle it gets us interested to a point but then it just gets absurd. There are only, what, 4 other characters it can be?

Starbuck, no.
Adama
Lee
Roslin
Baltar

There you go. Whoever it is revealed will not make any narrative sense or will seem too obvious.

Goes to show what planning does for good writing. The creative crew clearly had planned the first two seasons as the narrative was consistent and mostly made sense.

Then the ridiculousness of these final two seasons show they were essentially flying from the seat of their pants.

Hold onto your hats, the finale will be either entirely predictable or underwhelming.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by Ronald Pagan

How far and how fast this show has fallen.

The biggest problem was that the creative crew tied themselves to a cheap hook and now can't satisfactorily write themselves out of it.

By giving us a "who are the cylons?" angle it gets us interested to a point but then it just gets absurd. There are only, what, 4 other characters it can be?

I think you've paid too much attention to one plotline and not enough to the others. "Who's the final Cylon" is hardly the only thing going on for the last half season. Earth, the Cylon civil war and resulting human/Cylon alliance ...

[HalifaxDrunk]

Originally Posted by Ronald Pagan

By giving us a "who are the cylons?" angle it gets us interested to a point but then it just gets absurd. There are only, what, 4 other characters it can be?

Starbuck, no.
Adama
Lee
Roslin
Baltar

There you go. Whoever it is revealed will not make any narrative sense or will seem too obvious.

Goes to show what planning does for good writing. The creative crew clearly had planned the first two seasons as the narrative was consistent and mostly made sense.

Then the ridiculousness of these final two seasons show they were essentially flying from the seat of their pants.

Hold onto your hats, the finale will be either entirely predictable or underwhelming.

Umm, you don't even mention Ellen?

[bomber317]

Originally Posted by HalifaxDrunk

Umm, you don't even mention Ellen?

Well, he obviously didn't watch the episode and probably isn't going to watch it based on his views of seasons 3 and 4.0

[lambeburger]

So here is my hypothesis:

All humans are all actually the product of cylon skin-jobs who have learned to reproduce. (Remember that Col. Tigh impregnated that one six model, proving that it is possible). And there is a cycle of a skin-job/human civilization that grows and thrives while through time forgetting that they are cylons. Eventually the 'human' race develops new robots/cylons to be their slaves who in turn revolt and wipe 'humanity' out. The victorious cyclons then evolve to become skin-jobs who can reproduce and settle another planet and through time forget about their true nature of existance continuing the cycle.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

Why?

Extremely uncreative IMHO

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by HalifaxDrunk

Umm, you don't even mention Ellen?

I'm glad that they revealed it so early. Now we can get on to "Tighing" everything else up!

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

I think they bring back Cally as the fifth Cylon, otherwise there are two human/cylon hybrid babies

soo, they get around this little problem, not by making Cally a cylon, but by making Tyrol not the father. what a soap opera lame!

[MrMastodonFarm]

I've never understood why there are so many media members for such a small population.

[Hemi-Cuda]

at this point, i figure they should just blow up every damn ship in the show and be done with it. i was ok with a dark sci-fi show, but this is ridiculous when EVERYBODY is now a jaded a-hole. there's no enjoyment in watching it anymore, you know there's no supreme hope anymore with Earth being a rubble pile so now we get to enjoy watching things fall apart more than they already were. it's getting quite tiresome

[Cowperson]

Hot Dog!!! You ole sea dog you!!!

That was pretty funny. Obviously there were some shenanigans just prior to New Caprica or on New Caprica, probably before marriage to Gaylon, unless you want to think the worst of Cally.

Wasn't it Hot Dog scratching his crotch one episode with Helo saying "I hope she was worth it buddy!!"

The only disappointing thing I found in the episode was Gaylon's rather sudden allegiance to the Cylons, entirely plausible I suppose but I don't think there had been any lead up to it.

Tigh seems to be loyal to humanity although also unabashedly thrilled to be a Cylon daddy . . . . . but boinking Tricia Helfer in a cell would put a smile on anyone's face anyway.

Cottle's nurse, paramedic Kaye Ishay is obviously going to be involved in something nefarious regarding Six's baby in a future episode. (Minor trivia - she's (Kerry Norton), Apollo's (Jamie Bamber's) wife in real life.

This does all seem to be leading to a dark, dark ending, which should be no surprise since the cast has been pretty much saying that very thing for months.

Significant charaters are going to be dying along the way and, as I noted earlier, we should ponder what kind of ending we would need for the cast to describe it as alternately "tragic," "poetic," and "beautiful," leaving many of them in tears after they'd read the final script.

It is also an ending so final that there won't be possibility of sequels. Too dark? Particularly if it's a drawn-out popping off a few at a time, a destructive spiral of scratching and clawing each other's eyes out rather than a heroic, climatic final explosion of a Battlestar? I guess that might be something that comes down to personal opinion.

Perhaps Adama will now be taking on the roll of a "dying leader." His pill-popping and grimacing as well as his sudden attention to fastidiousness seemed to have some emphasis. It wouldn't surprise me to see Adama and Roslin off themselves together. They're becoming centre-points for divisiveness. Will they remove themselves?

The creators apparently did a lot of research into suicides, with the conclusion that a lot of those close to those killing themselves stating "they never saw it coming." That was the theme they wove into Dee's suicide.

Zarek's roots are showing again. Convicted terrorist, quick to council insurrection and violence to achieve power, ties to black marketeering and influence peddling in a past episode, a manipulator . . . . . and once had signed off on a death warrant for Gaeta.

Gaeta's sudden, overwhelming distrust and hatred of anything connected to Cylons is obviously tied in with his experience in the webisodes preceding the season.

Considering what the marooned Sharon told him about her activities on New Caprica, the selling of "hope," no wonder he's skeptical of teams of Cylons showing up on every ship in the fleet with a miracle FTL cure.

I guess Starbuck is going to keep her little secret of finding herself dead . . . . . and we still don't know what Leoben said at the Cylon party once he got back to their ship.

I'm still favouring the whole bunch going down in a bloody trail of destruction where no one is left alive but Starbuck, Hera and Six's child, which I would now presume is going to be a boy . . . . . from which the tale of "all that has happened before will happen again" begins anew.

Minor notes: RD Moore confirmed in a blog that they did find Earth 2000 years in the future of our own, Dana D'Biers does indeed stay behind on Earth, Dee will not be coming back through some resurrection miracle and Ellen is indeed the fifth Cylon. The inference from his comments is that we will be seeing Ellen again somehow.

Cowperson