Windows 7 Public Beta

[The Goon]

[FanIn80]

Vista isn't even that bad. The release schedule sucked, in that there weren't a lot of drivers available right away... and people were trying to cram it onto machines that were 6 years old and shouldn't have even been trying to run XP nevermind Vista...

64 bit Vista SP1 on a dual-core machine with 2GB of ram (minimum) = very stable, very fast and quite nice. This day and age, that kind of computer would cost you about $700. If you can't afford a $700 computer, then you shouldn't be trying to run all the newest operating systems anyway.


btw... I'm a MAC lover.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Home users were pissed that Windows 2000 came out for businesses, and they wanted the same level of stability in a home OS. Microsoft took windows 98 and threw it on top of the Win2K kernel (a very loose description, I know), and called it Windows Millenium.

ME was not based on the NT kernel. The first "home" OS from that lineage was XP.

[Kipper is King]

Well, the Server is Busy message is annoying me enough, I might just go check out the Torrents!

Edit: Even the main torrent is slow! FUUUUUUUUUUUU...

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Kipper is King

Well, the Server is Busy message is annoying me enough, I might just go check out the Torrents!

They really should have released it as a torrent.

Bit torrent is so powerful, and that way you'd minimize those types of messages.

[alltherage]

If someone gets this thing installed please post screen shots!

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Shazam

ME was not based on the NT kernel. The first "home" OS from that lineage was XP.

Whoops. You're right, I got that backwards. They took the shell and Explorer process from Win2K and dumped it on the 9x kernel.

Microsoft also updated the graphical user interface and the shell features and Windows Explorer in Windows Me with some of those first introduced in Windows 2000, which had been released as a business oriented operating system seven months earlier.

XP was the first time they used the NT kernel in a home OS.

[Ironhorse]

[dobbles]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Vista isn't even that bad. The release schedule sucked, in that there weren't a lot of drivers available right away... and people were trying to cram it onto machines that were 6 years old and shouldn't have even been trying to run XP nevermind Vista...

64 bit Vista SP1 on a dual-core machine with 2GB of ram (minimum) = very stable, very fast and quite nice. This day and age, that kind of computer would cost you about $700. If you can't afford a $700 computer, then you shouldn't be trying to run all the newest operating systems anyway.


btw... I'm a MAC lover.

i disagree. when launched vista was awful. at the time, i was in IT at a college and we put it on all our personal machines so that we would all be familiar with it as students started encountering it.

we had so many problems. we were a dell school. yet we would have the same model laptop or desktop and different people would have different issues. some people couldnt get sounds to work, others couldnt print. it was a mess. most people gave up pretty quick. i made it from nov. 06 till july 07. i was the last one to downgrade back to XP.

i don't know if they just needed another beta test or what, but that software that came out was flawed. the whole experience soured me on vista. i took it off new computers i bought. i only just now got around to trying it out at home. put it on a machine a week or two ago.

and regarding putting it on outdated machines, i agree. but i could run XP on a 300mhz machine with 128 or ram. then all of a sudden you need a 2ghz processor, 2 gigs of ram and a seperate video card just to run an OS? seemed like quite the jump.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by dobbles

i disagree. when launched vista was awful. at the time, i was in IT at a college and we put it on all our personal machines so that we would all be familiar with it as students started encountering it.

we had so many problems. we were a dell school. yet we would have the same model laptop or desktop and different people would have different issues. some people couldnt get sounds to work, others couldnt print. it was a mess. most people gave up pretty quick. i made it from nov. 06 till july 07. i was the last one to downgrade back to XP.

i don't know if they just needed another beta test or what, but that software that came out was flawed. the whole experience soured me on vista. i took it off new computers i bought. i only just now got around to trying it out at home. put it on a machine a week or two ago.

and regarding putting it on outdated machines, i agree. but i could run XP on a 300mhz machine with 128 or ram. then all of a sudden you need a 2ghz processor, 2 gigs of ram and a seperate video card just to run an OS? seemed like quite the jump.

The video card thing was only if you wanted to have the Aero theme.

I've been using Vista here at the office since the second Beta, over 2 years ago. I've had no problems with it, and that's running it on an office machine, in an office environment... and I'm the entire IT dept here, so there are more than a few mission-critical apps that I run on a daily basis. On top of that, I build all our internal apps, I design and maintain our website and I do all of our graphic and media work. All on this office desktop running Vista. Also, I should point out that I have no patience for slow computers, so it's not like I'm sitting here waiting 2 minutes for an application to launch and saying "it runs fine."

My office machine:
Pentium D processor (not even a Core2Duo)
2GB ram
250 GB hard drive
Nvida 7300 agp card

Cost: $699 from Dell.

I'm not exaggerating when I say I haven't had any problems, either. When I was running XP, I used to rebuild my machine once every 6 months. Last week was the first time I've rebuilt this machine after two years of running Vista.


I'm not saying that people haven't had valid negative experiences with Vista, I'm just wondering how much of it really is the OS's fault.

[dobbles]

yeah, i am not saying you arent having a success with it, but that a lot of people had a very bad time with it. and i have the personal experience to tell you its not just a marketing thing where people were tricked into not liking it by those pc vs. mac commercials.

[FurnaceFace]

I ran ME for the better part of a year without a single hiccup. I think that has to be some sort of record.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by dobbles

yeah, i am not saying you arent having a success with it, but that a lot of people had a very bad time with it. and i have the personal experience to tell you its not just a marketing thing where people were tricked into not liking it by those pc vs. mac commercials.

Fair enough.

I know enough about supporting software, etc, to know that there are literally a million things that can go wrong and almost everyone classifies them as OS problems.

Caller: "Windows isn't working."
Me: "What's the problem?"
Caller: "My file is gone from my wallpaper."
Me: "Hmmm. Did you move it somewhere, or accidentally delete it?"
Caller: "Nope. I know I didn't do anything to it. It's just gone. It's probably because Vista sucks. I don't know why I have to use it."
Me: "OK, well lets just open up your Recycle Bin and see if we get an error message. It might be that Vista Recycle Bin bug."
Caller: "Ohhh... OK, give me a second." "Oh wait. There's my file right there." "OK, I've moved it back on to my wallpaper. Thanks!"
Me: "No problem. Have a nice day!"

[Phanuthier]

^ And Matthew Lombardi's blown scoring chances frustrate you?

[Kipper is King]

The webpage now states "Coming soon"! I guess they got to the 2.5 million limit.

Edit: Nope, they just took it down because the servers were slammed.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10138921-75.html

Hope it's up soon!

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse

Good god that looks ######ed. I'm sick of the default GUIs from Mickeysoft looking like they belong on some fisher price computer. No decent design aesthetics at all and cheesy icons and colors. First thing I've always had to do on any Windows system is replace the whole Shell32.dll icon database.

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

First thing I've always had to do on any Windows system is replace the whole Shell32.dll icon database.

Really? Is that relativley easy to do?

[OBCT]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Good god that looks ######ed. I'm sick of the default GUIs from Mickeysoft looking like they belong on some fisher price computer. No decent design aesthetics at all and cheesy icons and colors. First thing I've always had to do on any Windows system is replace the whole Shell32.dll icon database.

Care to post a screen of your current desktop?

[Hack&Lube]

Old Computer


last year


today

[cSpooge]

anyone wanna trade me my 64 bit key for a 32 bit key... pm me if you want to.