have you ever had a dui, or been close?

[Dan02]

Perhaps they should require each establishment to ensure that there are cabs on hand.

Say pay require 1 cab for every 25 people the bar can hold, pub pays cabbie say like a 50$ retainer to offset possible down times, cabbie only runs people from the pub home. This of course in addition to any cabs that cruise by.

[burn_this_city]

Well I'm glad you've got this all wrapped up.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by redforever

I asked you what your friends did, your response was, some walked home. Obviously this is the same night you were drinking. So in the dead of winter, they made the choice to walk home, obviously not freezing to death. On the other hand, you chose instead to drink and drive home, right?

And I am the one with the problem? The problem is with those people who choose to make the wrong choice, knowing full well it is the wrong choice.

Then you were responding to my point that in small rural communities, public transportation is not an option. You said in small rural communities, most people could probably walk home.

Wrong, in small rural communities, most people live a couple of miles from the town. And as I pointed out, I lived 14 miles from town.

The answer is to drink responsibly, period. Call me a CP angel if you wish, call me a troll if you wish, call me holier than thou if you wish, I don't care. Quit making excuses for drinking and driving, there are none.

I'll call you ignoramus. After reading this whole thread you have been treating everyone unfairly, cutting down posters who are here for discussion with your angry insults, not listening to any counter arguments and best as I can tell are only posting in the thread to get more of your anger out. What happened to your daughter is terrible and I do feel for you, but bitterness and the whole "to hell with all the "drinkers"" attitude is not helping this thread do anything more the bicker and I am no shrink but I dont think it is helping you either.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by fotze

Simple solution. Don't drink and drive. Thread can be closed.

Other problems that I will solve:

Middle East War - Stop fighting.
Caramilk secret - put caramel in bar
Starving kids in Africa - Food for kids in Africa
Low Oil price in Alberta - Raise oil price
Financial meltdown - Reverse financial meltdown
Flames not leading the league - Flames win all remaining games
Daniel Ryder "issues" - Daniel Ryder start trying harder

Good post.

I'd also like to add that I think that rock, paper, scissors doesn't get the attention it deserves in many of today's decision making processes.

[flamesfever]

Personally, I would like to see Our Provincial Government commit more funds to catching drunk drivers by having many more check stops.

However, when I see our Government not even see fit to ban the use of cell phones while driving, I don't hold out much hope for change anytime soon.

[ken0042]

And a timely headline in today's Sun:
Long wait for taxis in cards for revellers

(I know- slow news day for the Sun.)

But the interesting thing- they will take pre-bookings to get you to the bar, but won't take a pre-booking to get you home after.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by ken0042

And a timely headline in today's Sun:
Long wait for taxis in cards for revellers

(I know- slow news day for the Sun.)

But the interesting thing- they will take pre-bookings to get you to the bar, but won't take a pre-booking to get you home after.

Well that should certaintly cut down on impaired driving over the holdiay season.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by ken0042

And a timely headline in today's Sun:
Long wait for taxis in cards for revellers

(I know- slow news day for the Sun.)

But the interesting thing- they will take pre-bookings to get you to the bar, but won't take a pre-booking to get you home after.

Did you read this part below?

Even those who pre-book a ride home might end up waiting longer than expected because taxis are not guaranteed to arrive on time, said Enders.

"We'll do our best to get there in that time -- they're going to have to be patient," he said.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Dion

Did you read this part below?

Yes, I did.

What they are saying is they will allow a pre-booking if they are picking you up at a residence. But if you are going to any pub, bar, club, Flames game, etc you cannot pre-book.

So if and only if you are going to a house party can you pre-book.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Yes, I did.

What they are saying is they will allow a pre-booking if they are picking you up at a residence. But if you are going to any pub, bar, club, Flames game, etc you cannot pre-book.

So if and only if you are going to a house party can you pre-book.

That doesn't make sense as to why they won't do pickups at bar's, clubs etc.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Well that should certaintly cut down on impaired driving over the holdiay season.

They person who's willing to get behind the wheel because there is no cabs is most likey a person who doesn't see a problem with drinking and driving.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Dion

They person who's willing to get behind the wheel because there is no cabs is most likey a person who doesn't see a problem with drinking and driving.

Well, there are those kinds of people. No question.

However I wonder if with this type of news people will decide to drive and "only have a couple of drinks." The person mis-counts, doesn't have a solid meal before, gets a bartender who has a generous free pour, or forgets to include the champagne, and then gets behind the wheel. Then the person who would have taken two cabs is now a drunk driver.

Once again not saying that is right, but just showing how it can happen.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Dion

They person who's willing to get behind the wheel because there is no cabs is most likey a person who doesn't see a problem with drinking and driving.

Or a person who is like many in this thread who made a bad decision because they weren't thinking clealry and decided on a cold, snowy night that they'd chance it when all other options had been exhuasted.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Well, there are those kinds of people. No question.

However I wonder if with this type of news people will decide to drive and "only have a couple of drinks." The person mis-counts, doesn't have a solid meal before, gets a bartender who has a generous free pour, or forgets to include the champagne, and then gets behind the wheel. Then the person who would have taken two cabs is now a drunk driver.

Once again not saying that is right, but just showing how it can happen.

Of course it can happen, but i still maintain that person is not serious about not drinking and driving. Anyone who is serious in my view would probably leave thier vehicle at home and use alternate means to get to and from the bar.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Dion

Anyone who is serious in my view would probably leave thier vehicle at home and use alternate means to get to and from the bar.

You mean like taking a taxi?

That is my point, and has been for a few pages now. There aren't enough taxis in this city. And unlike any other public service business in this city that has more customers than they can handle, nobody else can go into that business to serve the city's needs.

No, a shortage of taxis does not excuse drinking and driving. But it does explain why some people do it. Is it right? No. But is it happening? Yes.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Drinking to the point of intoxication is best done behind closed doors, at home, with loved ones.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by ken0042

You mean like taking a taxi?

That is my point, and has been for a few pages now. There aren't enough taxis in this city. And unlike any other public service business in this city that has more customers than they can handle, nobody else can go into that business to serve the city's needs.

No, a shortage of taxis does not excuse drinking and driving. But it does explain why some people do it. Is it right? No. But is it happening? Yes.

The word has been out for years that cabs are no existant on NYE, but like you say, people still drink and drive. Those people in my view don't see a problem with drinking and driving. The ones that do care would use a designated driver, have a family member or friend pick them up, or in the worst case just stay home. In my case i always booked a hotel room for the night.

I can also remember a time when cabs were plenty and getting one on NYE or any other night wasn't that hard. Still we had people drinking and driving dispite all the info be presented by the police.

Where we disagree on the issue is wether increased cabs and public transit will make a difference with those who don't see an issue with drinking and driving. They drive home dispite the options being available now.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Dion

Where we disagree on the issue is wether increased cabs and public transit will make a difference with those who don't see an issue with drinking and driving. They drive home dispite the options being available now.

But that isn't who ken is/has been talking about this whole thread.

You aren't ever going to stop some people from drinking and driving. Despite how many times you tell us how great you were in avoiding drinking and driving it does nothing to stop some people from making the stupid decision to drive.

ken is pointing out, correctly, that more cabs=less chance for those borderline people to drive home. The people who 99 times out of 100 wouldn't drive drunk but do this time.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Dion

Where we disagree on the issue is wether increased cabs and public transit will make a difference with those who don't see an issue with drinking and driving. They drive home dispite the options being available now.

See this is the problem, you and Redforever and whoever else, have been missing our point this entire thread, despite probably 50 posts between me, 4x4 and whoever else clearly stating what we're talking about here.

If you truley understood what we've been saying, you're sentance would read "Where we disagree on the issue is whether increased cabs and public transit will make a difference with those that drive impaired". ...and the answer would be yes, it would make a difference. You have proof even in this thread where Ken and others have stated that they have done it in the past.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by moon

But that isn't who ken is/has been talking about this whole thread.

You aren't ever going to stop some people from drinking and driving. Despite how many times you tell us how great you were in avoiding drinking and driving it does nothing to stop some people from making the stupid decision to drive.

How i great i was? I merely stated my stance on the issue and how i dealt with it.

ken is pointing out, correctly, that more cabs=less chance for those borderline people to drive home. The people who 99 times out of 100 wouldn't drive drunk but do this time.

I don't buy the borderline comment. In my view you're either for or against drinking and driving. Driving to a bar with the intent of have one beer or two in my view is not a smart thing to do as it puts you in a situation where you might decide to have a few more and risk not having an option to get home.