Where are the "Labrador is Stupid" posts?

[JohnnyTitan]

I fully expected all the Harper fans to be on here bashing Labrador, saying how stupid they are for putting a corrupt Governement back in control of the House of Commons.

This would now make:
- Quebec stupid
- Ontario, especially Toronto, stupid
- Stronach stupid
- Maritimes stupid
- Winnipeg semi-stupid
- Vancouver semi-stupid
- Calgary / Rural Alberta / Harper = super-genius.

Sorry to be so condescending. I'm just trying to get across the point that obviously Canada as a whole keeps rejecting Harper again and again and again. I don't think you can blame the Liberals, you have to blame the poor leadership displayed by Harper.

I honestly believe a more moderate leader that built bridges with the old PCs instead of scaring them off would have formed government by now....and it's very frustrating.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Actually, Quebec is smart.

I'm not sure a federal liberal will get elected anywhere in Quebec again.

[MarchHare]

Originally posted by Bend it like Bourgeois@May 25 2005, 12:32 PM
Actually, Quebec is smart.

I'm not sure a federal liberal will get elected anywhere in Quebec again.

Want to put money on that?

I'm willing to bet the Liberals will still win big in the Montreal-area, and a few elections from now they'll be winning elsewhere in the province too, especially if/when the Liberals change leadership to someone completely disassociated with the Sponsorship program (like Frank McKenna, for instance).

[BlackEleven]

Originally posted by MarchHare+May 25 2005, 02:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MarchHare @ May 25 2005, 02:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Bend it like Bourgeois@May 25 2005, 12:32 PM
Actually, Quebec is smart.

I'm not sure a federal liberal will get elected anywhere in Quebec again.

Want to put money on that?

I'm willing to bet the Liberals will still win big in the Montreal-area, and a few elections from now they'll be winning elsewhere in the province too, especially if/when the Liberals change leadership to someone completely disassociated with the Sponsorship program (like Frank McKenna, for instance). [/b][/quote]
The Liberals will win in the anglo neighbourhoods; it's almost guaranteed. Everwhere else willl likely be Bloc for this election.... The conversatives are being beat by the Green Party in the polls right now, so I don't see them getting any seats.

[4X4]

By your logic, Martin is a good leader then? Mr. See No Evil, Hear No Evil? The guy that was supposedly in control of our money while hundreds of millions of dollars were being stolen out the back door through the sponsorship scandal? The guy that was the finance minister while the human resources department lost TWO BILLION DOLLARS!

If those are the ingredients of a good leader, you got what you paid for (no pun intended).

[Thunderball]

I think you would expect us to be surprised... of course they were gonna vote Liberal... the last guy had over 60% of the vote.

Is it a little disappointing? of course, shows the scandal really doesn't bother people, or that they are too lazy to go to the polls yet again.

I mean, to be blunt, if I'm in Federal-Invested Eastern Canada, why wouldn't I vote Liberal. A vote for them is a vote for the gravy train to keep flowing. One that a fiscally-responsible party might end... sure Harper would keep the base and probably expand on it, but he'd cut a lot of the feel-good, do-nothing programs out there that line the pockets. So, to look at it that way, they're not stupid at all..

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by 4X4@May 25 2005, 07:10 PM
By your logic, Martin is a good leader then? Mr. See No Evil, Hear No Evil? The guy that was supposedly in control of our money while hundreds of millions of dollars were being stolen out the back door through the sponsorship scandal? The guy that was the finance minister while the human resources department lost TWO BILLION DOLLARS!

If those are the ingredients of a good leader, you got what you paid for (no pun intended).

By who's logic? The first post sarcastically claims that all Liberal-voting areas of the country are 'stupid', because the Conservative posters here have been making comments in that vein, time and time again.

Johnny Titan asked why the Con's on this board hadn't been all over this by-election. Basically, you responded with the Party-line... did you cut and paste the response? It doesn't address the 'logic' at the beginning, it just repeats the same old same old.

Tell us something we don't know.

[4X4]

I just find it amusing that he thinks that Harper is a bad leader because of where he sits on the spectrum, but at the same time, a guy like Martin, who is either a theif or incompetant, is not a bad leader.

[MarchHare]

Originally posted by 4X4@May 25 2005, 04:45 PM
I just find it amusing that he thinks that Harper is a bad leader because of where he sits on the spectrum, but at the same time, a guy like Martin, who is either a theif or incompetant, is not a bad leader.

Martin's party is not the one that can't win an election when their opponent hands it to them on a platter.

I've said it many times before; the PC party of old when be killing the Liberals in the polls right now. Harper and the vestiges of the Reform/Alliance Party are holding the CPC back.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally posted by MarchHare+May 25 2005, 11:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MarchHare @ May 25 2005, 11:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Bend it like Bourgeois@May 25 2005, 12:32 PM
Actually, Quebec is smart.

I'm not sure a federal liberal will get elected anywhere in Quebec again.

Want to put money on that?

I'm willing to bet the Liberals will still win big in the Montreal-area, and a few elections from now they'll be winning elsewhere in the province too, especially if/when the Liberals change leadership to someone completely disassociated with the Sponsorship program (like Frank McKenna, for instance). [/b][/quote]
I said I'm not sure, not I'll bet my house.

The liberals could still win in their traditional quebec strongholds, though it will be far closer and far fewer than before. They could get shut out too.

And if they were to gut the corrupt party and present a non-corrupt version to Quebecers they could easily rebound in an election or two. No arguments here.

But only if Quebec doesn't seperate first. I wouldn't bet on that either.

[kn]

The riding has gone Liberal its entire history except once (1968-1972 IIRC). It's not a big surprise.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by kn@May 26 2005, 03:00 AM
The riding has gone Liberal its entire history except once (1968-1972 IIRC). It's not a big surprise.

Compared to most ridings in Alberta, Labrador is a "swing riding"!! )

[CaptainCrunch]

Hey they made thier choice, I don't really understand it, but it is thier choice to make.

If the Conservatives are going to take any consolation its in the fact that they closed the voter gap, and its something that they can work on for thier next election after the Gomery inquiry wraps up.

Would I call them stupid, not a chance, its thier choice just like nobody should call Albertan's stupid for shunning the Liberals.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch@May 25 2005, 09:51 PM

Would I call them stupid, not a chance, its thier choice just like nobody should call Albertan's stupid for shunning the Liberals.

Noone except the leader of the nation... oh well I guess it is time we just move on.

[ernie]

the liberals lost 10% of the vote in a liberal stronghold. yeah they won but losing that 10% in a liberal dominated riding has to be a concern to them as much as not winning is a concern to the conservatives. That's a pretty big voter swing for a riding in the span of less than a year.

[Lurch]

the liberals lost 10% of the vote in a liberal stronghold. yeah they won but losing that 10% in a liberal dominated riding has to be a concern to them as much as not winning is a concern to the conservatives. That's a pretty big voter swing for a riding in the span of less than a year.

I'm not so sure this is representative of much. The Conservative was a very popular guy, and the mayor of Labrador City I believe. The deceased Liberal MP was extremely popular and well established, and the new Liberal candidate was a relative newcomer.

Interesting, though somewhat off-topic article on the Conservatives nominating 'religious' candidates.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...Story/National/

[octothorp]

Originally posted by ernie@May 27 2005, 08:01 AM
the liberals lost 10% of the vote in a liberal stronghold. yeah they won but losing that 10% in a liberal dominated riding has to be a concern to them as much as not winning is a concern to the conservatives. That's a pretty big voter swing for a riding in the span of less than a year.

In a byelection in the same riding in 1995, the Conservative/Reform combined went from 18% of the overall vote to 40% (most of that for the Reform). In the next federal election following that byelection (roughly 13 months later), Reform/Conservative combined support dropped to just 11%. So much for momentum.

Fringe/protest votes have always done better in byelection than in general elections. Unforunately for the Conservatives, they are a fringe/protest party in Labrador, and any spike in Conservative support can't be attributed to a groundswell of national support. To do so is wishful thinking.

[moon]

Not all people want a more moderate leader then Harper and the Conversative members have shown that they don't. A move to the center will only allienate the supporters of the party and not do anything to help make the changes that we want.

If they elect a new moderate leader they would just be the Liberals under the name of the conservative party and that does nobody any good.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by moon@May 27 2005, 03:49 PM
Not all people want a more moderate leader then Harper and the Conversative members have shown that they don't. A move to the center will only allienate the supporters of the party and not do anything to help make the changes that we want.

If they elect a new moderate leader they would just be the Liberals under the name of the conservative party and that does nobody any good.

Well if that's the case then you should be prepared for a long fruitful run of being the official opposition because they aren't going to get any closer than that.

If they can't lure support away from a corrupt party it's pretty obvious that most Canadians don't like the CPCs platform and personality. That won't be changing anytime soon.

[moon]

I am ready for that.

I would seriously consider voting for another party rather than a Stronick-type lead Conservative Party.

Most of Canada have also shown that they don't want the Liberals to be in power as well.