Flames prospect pool ranked 28th...

[Robbob]

Once a loaded farm system, the Oilers have graduated many to their NHL ranks.

Really?Maybe someone can help me out but besides Pouilet who has graduated from their farm club. I'll be honest I don't follow the Oilers enough (nor would I want too) but the kid line came right into the NHL if I'm not mistaken (Nilson did spend some time in the Islanders system I beleive). I always thought that Oilers had issues developing players.

The forward group still has perennial prospect Rob Schremp

^^To me that if a player has been in a system that long and still can't make the jump he is no longer a prospect, he is fodder.

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by looooob

fair enough but doesn't Marc 'top 5' Pouliot have him beat on both? (Actually three of the Oilers top 5 prospects have played more games than Boyd--if the info I have is accurate)

edit; nevermind I see my problem...the Oilers ranking is their old one...only the lower ranked teams are new..I think.

Who knows? As has been pointed out, HockeysFuture is neither entirely accurate nor up-to-date. Unfortunately, nobody seems to have come up with a better resource for scouting reports on such a wide variety of teams. CP's great for Flames prospects, and ok for high profile others, but understandably lax when it comes to other prospects.

I just think it's too hard to put together a comprehensive, unbiased scouting network without being backed by a team/group that wants that info all to themselves.

[simmer2]

I was just about to write on here that the Oilers were ranked 12th. Man do those HF guys have homer glasses on when it comes to the Oilers. Don't get me wrong, Eberle is a great prospect and some of their guys are very strong, but for the Oilers to be 12th and the Flames 28th is laughable.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by simmer2

I was just about to write on here that the Oilers were ranked 12th. Man do those HF guys have homer glasses on when it comes to the Oilers. Don't get me wrong, Eberle is a great prospect and some of their guys are very strong, but for the Oilers to be 12th and the Flames 28th is laughable.

The overrating is hilarious. All they do is cater to who has the most fans on their site, and who speaks the loudest. Oiler fans.

Riley Nash was cut from team Canada, Keith Aulie made it. If the roles were reversed there would be much hype coming from that site about Nash. Aulie makes it, not a peep. Not as good as Jusso Puustenin.

[Jake]

I love how they refer to Schremp as a "perennial prospect"... like its a good thing.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by simmer2

I was just about to write on here that the Oilers were ranked 12th. Man do those HF guys have homer glasses on when it comes to the Oilers. Don't get me wrong, Eberle is a great prospect and some of their guys are very strong, but for the Oilers to be 12th and the Flames 28th is laughable.

Actually, I'll give HF credit on this one. Usually they overrate Edmonton into the top ten. I guess being wrong for about a decade straight caused them to lower it a bit.

The constant overranking of teams like the Oilers is nothing more than pragmatism by HF. Oiler fans represent one of their largest fanbases on the site, so of course they are going to play to their readers.

[Cactus Jack]

Terrible internal rankings but Calgary has to rank at the bottom of the league in terms of prospects. I'll give Sutter credit for the goaltending and defensive prospects but this team sorely lacks scoring forwards. In fact, there are none. Nemisz, Wahl, ARmstrong and Backlund are decent (not great) centre prospects but this team has nothing on the wing.
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[JiriHrdina]

Greg Nemisz is a wing

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

Terrible internal rankings but Calgary has to rank at the bottom of the league in terms of prospects. I'll give Sutter credit for the goaltending and defensive prospects but this team sorely lacks scoring forwards. In fact, there are none. Nemisz, Wahl, ARmstrong and Backlund are decent (not great) centre prospects but this team has nothing on the wing.

Meh, not too worried about that. Centers can easily be converted to wing, and not vice versa. Plenty of players shift from center to wing as they move up from junior to pro.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Actually, I'll give HF credit on this one. Usually they overrate Edmonton into the top ten. I guess being wrong for about a decade straight caused them to lower it a bit.

The constant overranking of teams like the Oilers is nothing more than pragmatism by HF. Oiler fans represent one of their largest fanbases on the site, so of course they are going to play to their readers.

I still think they are overrated in this article. They are ranked 12th on supposedly their strong defensemen prospects (Petry and Chorney), and Schremp (ranked as their 3rd best prospect). That gives them a 12th overall rating?

I also like how they have Gilbert mentioned as a recent graduate, yet they don't mention Pardy or Giordano for us. In fact, seeing as how Pardy is playing in the NHL, shouldn't he still be considered a prospect like other rookies who are listed as prospects for other teams in the same article?

I always got the feeling that HF is a thinly veiled Oilers fansite, and this article just proves it.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I still think they are overrated in this article. They are ranked 12th on supposedly their strong defensemen prospects (Petry and Chorney), and Schremp (ranked as their 3rd best prospect). That gives them a 12th overall rating?

I also like how they have Gilbert mentioned as a recent graduate, yet they don't mention Pardy or Giordano for us. In fact, seeing as how Pardy is playing in the NHL, shouldn't he still be considered a prospect like other rookies who are listed as prospects for other teams in the same article?

I always got the feeling that HF is a thinly veiled Oilers fansite, and this article just proves it.

there are criteria that are a bit arbitrary but not directly meant to favour one team. for example Pardy isn't a prospect because he's 24 and came from the CHL (ditto Prust and Giordano), if you came from NCAA (like Gilbert who I think was 24 or 25 last year) you are a prospect for longer...if you are from Europe even longer (Mikhnov, the Oilers first rounder in 2000-he'd be the same age as guys like Lombardi, Moss, Kobasew-is still listed as a prospect for that reason)

[FlamesAddiction]

On a related note, I was reading a thread on there a while ago where some Flames poster were being piled on by a myriad of other fans who were adament that St.Louis has at least 5 prospects better than any Flames prospect. While they have some really good prospects, I thought that was a little over the top.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by looooob

there are criteria that are a bit arbitrary but not directly meant to favour one team. for example Pardy isn't a prospect because he's 24 and came from the CHL (ditto Prust and Giordano), if you came from NCAA (like Gilbert who I think was 24 or 25 last year) you are a prospect for longer...if you are from Europe even longer (Mikhnov, the Oilers first rounder in 2000-he'd be the same age as guys like Lombardi, Moss, Kobasew-is still listed as a prospect for that reason)

It might not be meant to favour any particular team, but it does. The Flames draft fewer Europeans and more CHL players. That shouldn't penalize them in any kind of prospect rankings. The only thing that should matter is whether or not the players project to being NHL quality players, and how many of those a team has in their system.

If anything, a 26 year old player playing in Europe is LESS likely to become an NHL player than a player who is 23 and was drafted out of the CHL and developed in the AHL.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

On a related note, I was reading a thread on there a while ago where some Flames poster were being piled on by a myriad of other fans who were adament that St.Louis has at least 5 prospects better than any Flames prospect. While they have some really good prospects, I thought that was a little over the top.

well they might, hard to say. The Blues have had 8 first round picks in the last 5 years, two in the top 5. looking at HF their 5th prospect is Ian Cole...is he better than Backlund? who in the world knows? hard to compare. by the same token, arguably then the Blues top 5 prospects are equally better that the best prospect of the number 12 ranked org. do we have any way of knowing Petry is better than Cole?

[simmer2]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

On a related note, I was reading a thread on there a while ago where some Flames poster were being piled on by a myriad of other fans who were adament that St.Louis has at least 5 prospects better than any Flames prospect. While they have some really good prospects, I thought that was a little over the top.

Pietrangelo, Berglund, Oshie are all superior to our prospects....but after that with Lars Eller and Ian Cole, tough to say. Prospects are so difficult to compare to one another, we have a tough time just evaluating our own guys internally.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Once a loaded farm system, the Oilers have graduated many to their NHL ranks.

Really?Maybe someone can help me out but besides Pouilet who has graduated from their farm club. I'll be honest I don't follow the Oilers enough (nor would I want too) but the kid line came right into the NHL if I'm not mistaken (Nilson did spend some time in the Islanders system I beleive). I always thought that Oilers had issues developing players.

The forward group still has perennial prospect Rob Schremp

^^To me that if a player has been in a system that long and still can't make the jump he is no longer a prospect, he is fodder.

I am not going to comment on where any team should be in the prospect rankings, because I just dont spend enough time watching other teams prospects (I dont even watch the Oilers Prospects a whole bunch)

However I can help on the parts you are wondering about.

Players that Graduated:

Sam Gagner (dont know if he counts as he came in right off the bat)
Andrew Cogliano
Chicken Boy Pouliot (Although I dont like him)
Zach Stortini
Kyle Brodziak
Tom Gilbert
Jeff Desalauriers

As for Schremp I dunno why they sent him down... I guess 3 pts in 4 games isnt good enough for the offensive powerhouse which is the Oilers.

The kid is only 22... Too young to call him a bust yet I think.