They are close offensively. Just need more experience. Very solid, but inexperienced, at every offensive position.
I don't know what to think about them defensively anymore. They play better with undrafted rookie free agents starting. Baffling.
Predictably, I'd take Elway every time. More wins than any other QB in NFL history sans Favre. Great arm, could throw on the run, could flat out run, brought his team from behind to win more than any other QB in history. Montana didn't face a whole heck of a lot of adversity during his career.
That said, Montana did beat Elway head to head in my favorite Broncos loss of all time. The infamous Monday nighter when he played for KC.
Still, I value the intangibles that Elway brought to the table far more.
Meh, I think I'd take Montana and Steve Young over Elway. I agree that Montana had a lot of talent around him but still, if I had to come from behind and win a game in the last two minutes, Montana or Brady are the guys I'd pick for it. They just know how to win and they don't make mistakes.
They are close offensively. Just need more experience. Very solid, but inexperienced, at every offensive position.
I don't know what to think about them defensively anymore. They play better with undrafted rookie free agents starting. Baffling.
To me it seems that Shannahan is so stubborn that I wonder if he will make the necessary adjustments to his approach to get it fixed. It seems like he has had success his way and is willing to take that approach and "make it work."
To me it seems that Shannahan is so stubborn that I wonder if he will make the necessary adjustments to his approach to get it fixed. It seems like he has had success his way and is willing to take that approach and "make it work."
In what way? I'm not sure what you're referring to.
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In what way? I'm not sure what you're referring to.
The way that he always tosses away running backs, always seems to act so defiant after losses when asked about why he didn't do this or that.
I don't follow every move it just seems that Shannahan goes about things how he wants and anyone who doubts him can "get stuffed."
These defensive issues aren't completely new and or surprising and yet it seems that Denver hasn't done much, other than bring in the Browns D-line, to make it a lot better.
Meh, I think I'd take Montana and Steve Young over Elway. I agree that Montana had a lot of talent but if I had to come from behind and win a game in the last two minutes, Montana or Brady are the guys I'd pick for it. They just know how to win and they don't make mistakes.
Easier not to make mistakes when you are surrounded by HOFers.
Brady is an interesting mention though, because I am of the opinion that New England's teams haven't been all that loaded with talent. A whole bunch o' Tom Brady in their success.
That's not to take anything away from Young or Montana either. Certainly great players, but they had it very easy in San Francisco. Take a look at Montana's TD to INT ratio. It might surprise you.
__________________ I am in love with Montana. For other states I have admiration, respect, recognition, even some affection, but with Montana it is love." - John Steinbeck
The way that he always tosses away running backs, always seems to act so defiant after losses when asked about why he didn't do this or that.
I don't follow every move it just seems that Shannahan goes about things how he wants and anyone who doubts him can "get stuffed."
These defensive issues aren't completely new and or surprising and yet it seems that Denver hasn't done much, other than bring in the Browns D-line, to make it a lot better.
Well, they've drafted a lot of young DLers. So far, they are not looking like they are going to change things, sans Dumervil who would be much more effective with a compliment.
They've been getting by the last few years with a lot of veterans in the secondary and are paying for it now.
I don't get that vibe from Shanahan after losses at all. I watch most of his pressers too, but why someone would be criticized for being like Bellichick "greatest coach of all time" is interesting. I guess some coaches get a pass.
As for tossing away RB's, I'm not really sure what you mean by that. Who did he toss away?
__________________ I am in love with Montana. For other states I have admiration, respect, recognition, even some affection, but with Montana it is love." - John Steinbeck
Easier not to make mistakes when you are surrounded by HOFers.
Brady is an interesting mention though, because I am of the opinion that New England's teams haven't been all that loaded with talent. A whole bunch o' Tom Brady in their success.
That's not to take anything away from Young or Montana either. Certainly great players, but they had it very easy in San Francisco. Take a look at Montana's TD to INT ratio. It might surprise you.
2:1 is a pretty good ratio is it not? The guy is top five all time as far as interception percentage.
I think Brady will go down as the best QB in history if he can win a couple more Super Bowls.
2:1 is a pretty good ratio is it not? The guy is top five all time as far as interception percentage.
I think Brady will go down as the best QB in history if he can win a couple more Super Bowls.
Agreed on Brady and I don't think he needs to win anymore Super Bowls. If he continues to play the way he has since day 1, it won't matter if he wins any more championships.
Yes, 2:1 is very good (though he's a shade below that). I just think most fans think it's much better than it is.
__________________ I am in love with Montana. For other states I have admiration, respect, recognition, even some affection, but with Montana it is love." - John Steinbeck
Agreed on Brady and I don't think he needs to win anymore Super Bowls. If he continues to play the way he has since day 1, it won't matter if he wins any more championships.
Yes, 2:1 is very good (though he's a shade below that). I just think most fans think it's much better than it is.
Yeah I think it's around 1.96 or something but yeah I didn't think it was any higher. A little OT, but I look at Joe's TD:Int ratio and and laugh when people try to say that Donovan McNabb isn't an elite quarterback. The guy may never have won a Super Bowl but his TD:Int ratio is a staggering 2.14.
what a freaking moron....his only job "protect the ball" and he fumbles for a TD.
Good lord, no wonder this idiot lost his job.
Not to back him, as I agree Losman's never going to be anything in this league. But what the hell was Jauron even doing calling a passing play on 2nd and 5 with 2mins to go when trying to run out the clock, especially with the way Lynch had been absolutely carving up the Jets' D? That was one of the worst self-destruct jobs I've seen in a long time. Totally reminded me of a Saints game the past couple seasons.
They whined about it for about 45 minutes last night on NBC (which is by far the worst pre-game football show out there) and Collinsworth kept showing a picture with a line that clearly showed the ball broke the plane. Then he kept arguing that there was no evidence. Usually Collinsworth is the only with a brain on NBC but he had the evidence right in front of him with the line that he himself drew.
Good call by the refs but you would think that the NFL would have better ways to decide TD's than this.
LMAO WTF was Fisher thinking going for it 4th and 3 when he has a kicker 4/4 during the game and behind by 1 point???
Haha Titans = Over-rated.
Go Texans!!!!!!!!!
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So on a blustery day, with 26-mph winds swirling in the stadium, Fisher kicked himself for a decision he didn't make, and it wasn't about not kicking the 49-yarder. "I should have taken the wind in the fourth in the quarter,'' Fisher told me. "That's one I wish I had back. Before the game, Rob was trying field goals at that end from 48, 50, 51, and he was falling short. Way short, on a couple of them.''
And Dis, I'll take Montana. I doubt anyone would have expected otherwise.
As far as Cutler, this season he has been streaky as hell. Starting out hot, then cooling off. But that isn't a surprise with a young QB.
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They whined about it for about 45 minutes last night on NBC (which is by far the worst pre-game football show out there) and Collinsworth kept showing a picture with a line that clearly showed the ball broke the plane. Then he kept arguing that there was no evidence. Usually Collinsworth is the only with a brain on NBC but he had the evidence right in front of him with the line that he himself drew.
Good call by the refs but you would think that the NFL would have better ways to decide TD's than this.
I don't know. That's very close. The receiver isn't credited with a catch the instant the ball touches his hand. He has to show control and possession doesn't he (2 feet down)? I think when his 2 feet hit the ground, the ball is outside.
There is 'doubt' so the call shouldn't be reversed IMHO.
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I don't know. That's very close. The receiver isn't credited with a catch the instant the ball touches his hand. He has to show control and possession doesn't he (2 feet down)? I think when his 2 feet hit the ground, the ball is outside.
There is 'doubt' so the call shouldn't be reversed IMHO.
What she said. The ball may have crossed the plane when he caught it(still don't think so), but not when he had posession of it, by rule.
But regardless that's too close to call, which would not make it inconclusive evidence to make them change the call on the field.
I wonder how long it will be until the refs are held accountable for botching calls that decide games.
