Woman Drivers

[Bill Bumface]

Originally posted by Agamemnon@May 19 2005, 12:23 PM
Makes perfect sense.

What if the person in front has no brake-lights? They brake hard, person behind doesn't see any lights, and they run right into them. Good example that the person hitting someone else from behind isn't _always_ at fault.

If you're driving w/ no brake-lights, and someone rear ends you, you might be screwed.

If your brake lights are in working order, ask almost any cop and they will tell you if you say "I saw a cat that I thought was going to run into the road" and that is enough to make the tailgater at fault 100%.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally posted by hulkrogan+May 19 2005, 06:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hulkrogan @ May 19 2005, 06:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Agamemnon@May 19 2005, 12:23 PM
Makes perfect sense.

What if the person in front has no brake-lights? They brake hard, person behind doesn't see any lights, and they run right into them. Good example that the person hitting someone else from behind isn't _always_ at fault.

If you're driving w/ no brake-lights, and someone rear ends you, you might be screwed.

If your brake lights are in working order, ask almost any cop and they will tell you if you say "I saw a cat that I thought was going to run into the road" and that is enough to make the tailgater at fault 100%. [/b][/quote]
I'm not sure I understand what point you're trying to make. So far no one has mentioned cats as the reason they slowed down. We're debating about deliberately slowing down to cause an accident.

[Eddie Bronze]

Who do you blame when multiple cars are involved? I spoke with the lead car driver yesterday and he said he had come to a complete stop and looked behind him and it appeared as though he had lots of room. Only a split second later he was run into. I was the third car in the line. I saw the guys brake lights go on, but they went on VERY fast. I had around 2 car lengths and had nearly come to a stop when I felt the push from behind, I looked in the rear view mirror and then the next push came, a much harder push that caused my neck to snap back and I blacked out. Once I came too, I put my car in park, the lady came up and asked if I was alright and that we should all move over to the lane on the far right (construction zone on 14 St.) I got out, still very shooken up, and went to the back to see how much damage had been done. Didn't look too bad for me but horrible for her. Then I looked to the south and realized I was forced into the car ahead of me. My hood's folded. The lady behind me was no more than a metre or two away from me when I started to hit the brakes, who knows how close everyone else was. The black jeep behind her left some wicked skid marks and I guess even he got ran into, but that guy drove away. I don't remember anything of seeing someone "hit and run". Who do you blame in that instance? I had plenty of following distance but I have no control over what the dummies behind me are doing. There's just way too many people who don't understand the concept of following distance and just how bad people can get hurt. A little collision like that and now I can't go to work and make money to eat. And MY! insurance is going to go up. F.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally posted by Flames Draft Watcher+May 19 2005, 01:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flames Draft Watcher @ May 19 2005, 01:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

If your brake lights are in working order, ask almost any cop and they will tell you if you say "I saw a cat that I thought was going to run into the road" and that is enough to make the tailgater at fault 100%.

I'm not sure I understand what point you're trying to make. So far no one has mentioned cats as the reason they slowed down. We're debating about deliberately slowing down to cause an accident. [/b][/quote]
The point is, if someone is being a dickhead, you hit your brakes and they run into you a cop comes to investigate. He says "Why did you hit your brakes for no apparent reason?"

You say: "I thought I saw a cat about to run infront of my car so I slowed down" and that is good enough to put fault on the guy tailgating.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally posted by hulkrogan+May 19 2005, 07:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hulkrogan @ May 19 2005, 07:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I'm not sure I understand what point you're trying to make. So far no one has mentioned cats as the reason they slowed down. We're debating about deliberately slowing down to cause an accident.

The point is, if someone is being a dickhead, you hit your brakes and they run into you a cop comes to investigate. He says "Why did you hit your brakes for no apparent reason?"

You say: "I thought I saw a cat about to run infront of my car so I slowed down" and that is good enough to put fault on the guy tailgating. [/b][/quote]
Yikes.

I thought that might be what you were getting at but I certainly didn't want to accuse you of it.

That's so brutal. You're advocating intentionally causing an accident and then lying about it to ensure that it doesn't go on record as your fault? I really don't respect that idea at all.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally posted by Flames Draft Watcher@May 19 2005, 02:05 PM
I thought that might be what you were getting at but I certainly didn't want to accuse you of it.

That's so brutal. You're advocating intentionally causing an accident and then lying about it to ensure that it doesn't go on record as your fault? I really don't respect that idea at all.

Yes, yes I am. As long as I take a good look around to make sure no one innocent can get hurt first. I have absolutely no problem with someone who drives like a jack ass paying a few thousand dollars in repair bills. Since I can't write them tickets for tailgating me, I'll do that instead. Like I say, my objective is just to get them to slam on their brakes, accidents are a hassle. If it happens, it really isn't going to eat at my conscience.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by hulkrogan+May 19 2005, 03:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hulkrogan @ May 19 2005, 03:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Flames Draft Watcher@May 19 2005, 02:05 PM
I thought that might be what you were getting at but I certainly didn't want to accuse you of it.

That's so brutal. You're advocating intentionally causing an accident and then lying about it to ensure that it doesn't go on record as your fault? I really don't respect that idea at all.

Yes, yes I am. As long as I take a good look around to make sure no one innocent can get hurt first. I have absolutely no problem with someone who drives like a jack ass paying a few thousand dollars in repair bills. Since I can't write them tickets for tailgating me, I'll do that instead. Like I say, my objective is just to get them to slam on their brakes, accidents are a hassle. If it happens, it really isn't going to eat at my conscience. [/b][/quote]
I stand at the end of my driveway and blast people with my garden hose who speed down my street. I'd feel just awful if they cracked up their "phat" civics.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank+May 19 2005, 02:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Frank the Tank @ May 19 2005, 02:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Yes, yes I am. As long as I take a good look around to make sure no one innocent can get hurt first. I have absolutely no problem with someone who drives like a jack ass paying a few thousand dollars in repair bills. Since I can't write them tickets for tailgating me, I'll do that instead. Like I say, my objective is just to get them to slam on their brakes, accidents are a hassle. If it happens, it really isn't going to eat at my conscience.

I stand at the end of my driveway and blast people with my garden hose who speed down my street. I'd feel just awful if they cracked up their "phat" civics. [/b][/quote]
But thats not fair, what if they are in a rush to the hospital! You can't just go generalizing groups of people

Oh sorry.. wrong thread

I meant to say, I agree, people who speed in residential areas deserve to have their cars damaged too.

[Incinerator]

Originally posted by hulkrogan+May 19 2005, 08:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hulkrogan @ May 19 2005, 08:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Flames Draft Watcher@May 19 2005, 02:05 PM
I thought that might be what you were getting at but I certainly didn't want to accuse you of it.

That's so brutal. You're advocating intentionally causing an accident and then lying about it to ensure that it doesn't go on record as your fault? I really don't respect that idea at all.

Yes, yes I am. As long as I take a good look around to make sure no one innocent can get hurt first. I have absolutely no problem with someone who drives like a jack ass paying a few thousand dollars in repair bills. Since I can't write them tickets for tailgating me, I'll do that instead. Like I say, my objective is just to get them to slam on their brakes, accidents are a hassle. If it happens, it really isn't going to eat at my conscience. [/b][/quote]
what if the idiot behind you panic and stomped on gas instead of brake, causing said person to slam into you full force and your neck is now broken from whiplash, your spine permanently damaged, and you become a paraplegic for the rest of your life....now, was that worth it even after accounting for the small fortune that you would sue for and assuming that you get it?

Just some food for thought...

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally posted by Incinerator+May 19 2005, 08:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Incinerator @ May 19 2005, 08:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Yes, yes I am. As long as I take a good look around to make sure no one innocent can get hurt first. I have absolutely no problem with someone who drives like a jack ass paying a few thousand dollars in repair bills. Since I can't write them tickets for tailgating me, I'll do that instead. Like I say, my objective is just to get them to slam on their brakes, accidents are a hassle. If it happens, it really isn't going to eat at my conscience.

what if the idiot behind you panic and stomped on gas instead of brake, causing said person to slam into you full force and your neck is now broken from whiplash, your spine permanently damaged, and you become a paraplegic for the rest of your life....now, was that worth it even after accounting for the small fortune that you would sue for and assuming that you get it?

Just some food for thought... [/b][/quote]
Or what if that caused the person behind you to bump into you, then lose control, then run into a car going to the opposite direction and killing all the people in both cars while you have to live the rest of your life with their deaths on your conscience.

Then you'd feel like the big man wouldn't you.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally posted by Incinerator+May 19 2005, 02:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Incinerator @ May 19 2005, 02:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Yes, yes I am. As long as I take a good look around to make sure no one innocent can get hurt first. I have absolutely no problem with someone who drives like a jack ass paying a few thousand dollars in repair bills. Since I can't write them tickets for tailgating me, I'll do that instead. Like I say, my objective is just to get them to slam on their brakes, accidents are a hassle. If it happens, it really isn't going to eat at my conscience.

what if the idiot behind you panic and stomped on gas instead of brake, causing said person to slam into you full force and your neck is now broken from whiplash, your spine permanently damaged, and you become a paraplegic for the rest of your life....now, was that worth it even after accounting for the small fortune that you would sue for and assuming that you get it?

Just some food for thought... [/b][/quote]
Its an associated risk I take. If I was scared about every little "What if" I'd just work from the safety of my bomb proof basement.

Another valid "what if" is what if a 747 was crashing in the area and I would have escaped had I not slammed on my brakes?

EDIT: For the record I'm not some ******* looking for accidents, I think I've only done this twice in my life after flashing the brake lights and letting of the gas and slowing right down didn't work.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by Flames Draft Watcher@May 19 2005, 02:57 PM
Then you'd feel like the big man wouldn't you.

Only if he'd won an arm wrestling contest immediatley after.

While I would never do what Hulkrogan is suggesting I do think it is hilarious and would be a fine paypack for someone who is tailgating you.

What if what if what if, what if the guy continues to tailgate and runs into a little old lady and her 7 grandchildren?

[Bill Bumface]

Originally posted by Flames Draft Watcher@May 19 2005, 02:57 PM
Or what if that caused the person behind you to bump into you, then lose control, then run into a car going to the opposite direction and killing all the people in both cars while you have to live the rest of your life with their deaths on your conscience.

Then you'd feel like the big man wouldn't you.

You ######, I know how to look around for other people/vehicles that could be endangered first.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm@May 19 2005, 02:59 PM
What if what if what if, what if the guy continues to tailgate and runs into a little old lady and her 7 grandchildren?

Exactly, if my actions show the other driver the dangers of tailgating and prevent an accident later in their driving career, then FDW and Incenerator should be grateful as a part of the society that I just made a little bit safer.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally posted by hulkrogan+May 19 2005, 08:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hulkrogan @ May 19 2005, 08:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

what if the idiot behind you panic and stomped on gas instead of brake, causing said person to slam into you full force and your neck is now broken from whiplash, your spine permanently damaged, and you become a paraplegic for the rest of your life....now, was that worth it even after accounting for the small fortune that you would sue for and assuming that you get it?

Just some food for thought...

Its an associated risk I take. If I was scared about every little "What if" I'd just work from the safety of my bomb proof basement.

Another valid "what if" is what if a 747 was crashing in the area and I would have escaped had I not slammed on my brakes?

EDIT: For the record I'm not some ******* looking for accidents, I think I've only done this twice in my life after flashing the brake lights and letting of the gas and slowing right down didn't work. [/b][/quote]
Well you might wanna look at how likely a 747 crashing into your car is compared to the possibility of something really bad happening because you intentionally caused an accident.

Driving is a risk. Intentionally causing an accident is directly gambling with people's lives, including your own. If you can't tell the difference...

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally posted by hulkrogan+May 19 2005, 08:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hulkrogan @ May 19 2005, 08:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Flames Draft Watcher@May 19 2005, 02:57 PM
Or what if that caused the person behind you to bump into you, then lose control, then run into a car going to the opposite direction and killing all the people in both cars while you have to live the rest of your life with their deaths on your conscience.

Then you'd feel like the big man wouldn't you.

You ######, I know how to look around for other people/vehicles that could be endangered first. [/b][/quote]
Oh, my bad. You're right, you're in total control of how the accident plays out. We should all trust you to intentionally cause accidents with a minimum of health risks.

Give me a break...

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm@May 19 2005, 08:59 PM
What if what if what if, what if the guy continues to tailgate and runs into a little old lady and her 7 grandchildren?

I dunno, I think it's ridiculous to assume that you can change somebody into a non-tailgater by causing an accident with them. Not to mention it's inherently dangerous to both you and the other people. And to do so because you're trying to prevent a completely hypothetical future accident? I don't see how that makes logical sense.

Perhaps the tailgater is drunk and has reduced reflexes and wouldn't even be able to break at all before a collision? Worst case scenario you could certainly kill yourself and others. If you think that's an acceptable risk in order to _maybe_ teach someone a lesson then I'm not sure what to say to you.

[@theCBE]

Originally posted by hulkrogan+May 19 2005, 08:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hulkrogan @ May 19 2005, 08:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Flames Draft Watcher@May 19 2005, 02:57 PM
Or what if that caused the person behind you to bump into you, then lose control, then run into a car going to the opposite direction and killing all the people in both cars while you have to live the rest of your life with their deaths on your conscience.

Then you'd feel like the big man wouldn't you.

You ######, I know how to look around for other people/vehicles that could be endangered first. [/b][/quote]
Thats just stupid.. at 100+ km/h no one can predict whats going to happen when someone slams on the brakes whether there are other cars close by or not...

and what if you are ok and the guy tailing u dies.. does he really deserve to die just because he drives like an ass

[Bill Bumface]

Originally posted by @theCBE+May 19 2005, 03:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (@theCBE @ May 19 2005, 03:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

You ######, I know how to look around for other people/vehicles that could be endangered first.

Thats just stupid.. at 100+ km/h no one can predict whats going to happen when someone slams on the brakes whether there are other cars close by or not...

and what if you are ok and the guy tailing u dies.. does he really deserve to die just because he drives like an ass [/b][/quote]
100+ km/h??

Jeesus, did you guys miss the part about "letting of the gas first"?

I think all my brake checking experience have been at about 30 km/h after someone has ridden my ass so hard that I just let off the gas so they either go around me or suffer below the speed limit for a while.

FDW, you're right. Citzens could die in that < 30 km/h rear ending. I repent ;_;

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally posted by hulkrogan@May 19 2005, 09:16 PM
Jeesus, did you guys miss the part about "letting of the gas first"?

I think all my brake checking experience have been at about 30 km/h after someone has ridden my ass so hard that I just let off the gas so they either go around me or suffer below the speed limit for a while.

FDW, you're right. Citzens could die in that < 30 km/h rear ending. I repent ;_;

Well this is the first time you've mentioned 30 km/hr. You didn't specify that it had to be low speed, you made it sound as if this was a philosophy you would employ in most situations.

And where is this "letting off the gas first" that you mentioned? I just scanned your posts in this thread and couldn't see it.

Don't fault us for not reading your mind.