I Baptize Dead People

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

1. So it's acceptable to say "they do it so can we".....
2. The issue has been touched on by other members...
3. Yes, St George....(the post said "small") and Zima is not a substitute for real BEER.......there was no hard booze at the bar.

Most of my understanding is from Mormons, like the guy I worked with that was more than happy to tell me about his special undies.

Of course not, but that's not the argument that was made. The arugment was that Mormonism is significantly 'wackier' than other religions. I disagree and point 1 and 2 that you responded to are supporting evidence.

You get most of your understanding from Mormons. Where do you think I got mine and how in the heck does yours supercede my first hand experience?

[Nage Waza]

I don't think I have ever disliked a mormon person, all that I know have been really nice. The religion does believe in a strange North American history, but so what? My religion believes in assorted strange things as well. I will take a doorbell ring over a car bomb any day.

[eddly]

I'm a mormon. Ask me anything and I will give you a straight up no BS answer.

[flip]

Originally Posted by eddly

I'm a mormon. Ask me anything and I will give you a straight up no BS answer.

Seriously what is with the magical underpants?

[eddly]

Originally Posted by flip

Seriously what is with the magical underpants?

Wow flip, that is pretty disrespectful.

We do not consider them to be magical so for you to refer to them as such is pretty rude.

So what are they? They are a simple reminder to us of the promises we have made to our Heavenly Father such as following the commandments. If you look at other religions you'll see similar things. Catholics wear a cross for example.

Your post was a bit of a thread killer in my opinion as I was willing to answer any question you had, I guess I wasn't expecting to be mocked. It is easy to mock that which we don't understand. I'm sure if we analyzed your life we could see things that we thought were peculiar. Just because a person or group of people does something that you are not accustomed to does not mean it is wrong (or right for that matter).

Perhaps you have another question for me.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by eddly

Wow flip, that is pretty disrespectful.

We do not consider them to be magical so for you to refer to them as such is pretty rude.

So what are they? They are a simple reminder to us of the promises we have made to our Heavenly Father such as following the commandments. If you look at other religions you'll see similar things. Catholics wear a cross for example.

Your post was a bit of a thread killer in my opinion as I was willing to answer any question you had, I guess I wasn't expecting to be mocked. It is easy to mock that which we don't understand. I'm sure if we analyzed your life we could see things that we thought were peculiar. Just because a person or group of people does something that you are not accustomed to does not mean it is wrong (or right for that matter).

Perhaps you have another question for me.

Jews wear yamulkes, muslims wear a certain dress. It's certainly not an odd thing for a denomination/religion to have a distinctive clothing item that signifies something in their belief system.

Yet I've never heard anyone refer to the magical hats of the Jewish faith.

Thanks for trying eddly.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by eddly

I'm a mormon. Ask me anything and I will give you a straight up no BS answer.

hmmm ok, I have a few.

1) The Angel Moroni. Explain?

2) In 1828 after Joseph Smith's God had told him to join no other church he applied for membership at a Methodist Church. Why did he disobey the Angel?

3) The Gold Plates. Have you or anyone in your family ever seen them? Has anyone in the church?

4) IF Joseph Smith suggested the translation of the plates was correct in 1830...why have their been revisions in later editions?

5) Are women able to attain leadership IN THE CHURCH? If not why not?

6) Are people of color able to attain leadership in the church?

7) These were original tenats of the LDS, termed as essential...

- The Adam-God doctrine (Adam is God the Father);
- the United Order (all property of church members is to be held in common, with title in the church);
- Plural Marriage (polygamy; a man must have more than one wife to attain the highest degree of heaven);
- the Curse of Cain (the black race is not entitled to hold God's priesthood because it is cursed; this doctrine was not abandoned until 1978);
- Blood Atonement (some sins - apostasy, adultery, murder, interracial marriage - must be atoned for by the shedding of the sinner's blood, preferably by someone appointed to do so by church authorities)

If they were termed essential by the early church, and supposedly the "word of God", why have they been abandoned?

8) and lastly...the LDS scripture called "Doctrine and Covenants" were prophecies by the Prophet Joseph Smith. How many of the prohecies outlined in this document have come true? If any name them.

Thanks.

[MoneyGuy]

I have a couple of questions. How do you justify adherence to a church with such strange beliefs? Were you born into this church or did you join as an adult? I'm wondering about someone's rationale for joining such an organization. I've studied the Morman faith and don't have a very high opinion. I won't say more for fear of offending someone.

[flip]

Originally Posted by eddly

Wow flip, that is pretty disrespectful.

We do not consider them to be magical so for you to refer to them as such is pretty rude.

So what are they? They are a simple reminder to us of the promises we have made to our Heavenly Father such as following the commandments. If you look at other religions you'll see similar things. Catholics wear a cross for example.

Your post was a bit of a thread killer in my opinion as I was willing to answer any question you had, I guess I wasn't expecting to be mocked. It is easy to mock that which we don't understand. I'm sure if we analyzed your life we could see things that we thought were peculiar. Just because a person or group of people does something that you are not accustomed to does not mean it is wrong (or right for that matter).

Perhaps you have another question for me.

What am I supposed to refer to them as? You want to clear the air about mormonism and then someone asks a question and you tear them a new one. Good way to kill the thread yourself.

I meant no disrespect. I honestly heard that mormons wear magical underpants, in fact I believe I learned it here in this thread so I was trying to clear the air since obviously a lot of us don't know what we're talking about.

Holy sensitive much. You can't say you'll answer anything then get offended at the first question.

I certainly don't find it offensive that you mentioned that Catholics wear crosses.

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I have a couple of questions. How do you justify adherence to a church with such strange beliefs? Were you born into this church or did you join as an adult? I'm wondering about someone's rationale for joining such an organization. I've studied the Morman faith and don't have a very high opinion. I won't say more for fear of offending someone.

Oh my god how offensive, how dare you ask such an offensive question. Clearly eddly just wants to answer the friendly ones. No critical or uninformed approaches allowed.

[MoneyGuy]

"Strange beliefs?" You think that's offensive?? The intense bashing that Christianity takes here all the time is way, way worse than that. I've seen many posts where people here say that any believers are fools or worse. I've always wondered why someone belongs to the LDS. I think most people who are members are so from childhood, but I know that some join as adults also. If he doesn't want to answer, that's okay. I think it's a legit question. And believe me, I am informed.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

"Strange beliefs?" You think that's offensive?? The intense bashing that Christianity takes here all the time is way, way worse than that. I've seen many posts where people here say that any believers are fools or worse. I've always wondered why someone belongs to the LDS. I think most people who are members are so from childhood, but I know that some join as adults also. If he doesn't want to answer, that's okay. I think it's a legit question. And believe me, I am informed.

Most LDS members are converts , rather than born into the church. This does vary by region though and in some places the ratio is the other way around (portions of Utah, Idaho, and Southern Alberta)

Originally Posted by flip

Oh my god how offensive, how dare you ask such an offensive question. Clearly eddly just wants to answer the friendly ones. No critical or uninformed approaches allowed.

Attacking him is probably the best way to get a reponse.

Asking your question the way you did would like like walking up to a Jewish person and saying, "So whats the deal with the funny little bowl like hat on your head, it have magical powers or something?"

I think that it should be assumed that if you found out that a certian religious group did something as part of thier religion that you might not phrase questions about that activity in a mocking manner, if you want a response that isn't hostile. Inf act, given the history of responses on these boards about the subject of religion, you should be thankful that someone is willing to answer your question at all.

If you don't want to ask polite and relavent questions, then I am going to guess that you will not get polite or relavant answers.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by flip

What am I supposed to refer to them as? You want to clear the air about mormonism and then someone asks a question and you tear them a new one. Good way to kill the thread yourself.

I meant no disrespect. I honestly heard that mormons wear magical underpants, in fact I believe I learned it here in this thread so I was trying to clear the air since obviously a lot of us don't know what we're talking about.

Holy sensitive much. You can't say you'll answer anything then get offended at the first question.

I certainly don't find it offensive that you mentioned that Catholics wear crosses.




Oh my god how offensive, how dare you ask such an offensive question. Clearly eddly just wants to answer the friendly ones. No critical or uninformed approaches allowed.

Please.

Did he say they were 'magical' crosses?

What aspect of the undergarments make them magical? Why would you call them magical other than to mock?

Oh...and he answered the question for the record.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

"Strange beliefs?" You think that's offensive?? The intense bashing that Christianity takes here all the time is way, way worse than that. I've seen many posts where people here say that any believers are fools or worse. I've always wondered why someone belongs to the LDS. I think most people who are members are so from childhood, but I know that some join as adults also. If he doesn't want to answer, that's okay. I think it's a legit question. And believe me, I am informed.

Where and how did you obtain your knowledge?

[flip]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Please.

Did he say they were 'magical' crosses?

What aspect of the undergarments make them magical? Why would you call them magical other than to mock?

Yeah you're right how dare I expect a mormon to be tolerant of ignorance. That might be something Christ would do.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by flip

Yeah you're right how dare I expect a mormon to be tolerant of ignorance. That might be something Christ would do.

See, this is exactly why I get so upset about the misinformation.

When you have so many people believing so much crap about you, it gets old.

And I don't think you can claim ignorance...you can honestly say you had never heard that term...or used it...until this thread?

[flip]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

See, this is exactly why I get so upset about the misinformation.

When you have so many people believing so much crap about you, it gets old.

And I don't think you can claim ignorance...you can honestly say you had never heard that term...or used it...until this thread?

I've never heard of it before this thread was created a couple months ago. I even have lots of mormon acquaintances so it is one of the parts of mormonism that I was curious about.

I've brought up the term around my mormon friends but they aren't exactly the most religious people I've ever met so they kind of dismissed it. I don't know if they'd never heard of it either, didn't want to share or perhaps were embarrassed. I was hoping to get a "real" account of what it is all about as opposed to looking it up on the internet. Hence my original post. I wasn't kidding or being condescending when I said "seriously what is up with the magical underpants" I honestly don't know what that is all about. Still don't. I just don't have another term for it. Should I have asked what is up with mormon underpants? I'm not sure if that would garner a serious response.

I'm not trying to pretend that I'm not totally ignorant of this particular aspect of mormonism. I really want to know what the deal is. Chastity belt kind of thing? Just a vow to not have sex before marriage? I have no idea.

I meant no offense. I am trying to enlighten myself so that the next time it comes up I won't have to act clueless and I can correct my intollerant friends.

[Displaced Flames fan]

So you thought that Mormons actually call them magical underpants.

See, this is the whole problem. This crap gets spewed around, people believe it and then mock (not you) something based on lies.

Same thing with people who believe Islam teaches murder.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by flip

I honestly don't know what that is all about. Still don't.

He answered your question with this:

So what are they? They are a simple reminder to us of the promises we have made to our Heavenly Father such as following the commandments.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Rathji

He answered your question with this:

So what are they? They are a simple reminder to us of the promises we have made to our Heavenly Father such as following the commandments.

Having made covenants of righteousness, the members wear the garment under their regular clothing for the rest of their lives, day and night,

... partially to remind them of the sacred covenants they have made with God.within Mormonism even married couples must "cover their nakedness" in front of each other and wear garments while sleeping together is part of the sensory deprivation program.

How do Mormons overcome Masturbation?

After you have made this decision, then observe the following specific guidelines:

1. Never touch the intimate parts of your body except during normal washing and using the bathroom.

2. Avoid being alone as much as possible. Find good company and stay in this good company, especially when you are feeling particularly weak.

3. If you are associated with other persons having this same problem, YOU MUST BREAK OFF THEIR FRIENDSHIP. Never associate with other people having the same weakness. Don't suppose that two of you will quit together, you never will. You must get away from people of that kind. Just to be in their presence will keep your problem foremost in your mind. The problem must be taken OUT OF YOUR MIND for that is where it really exists. Your mind must be on other and more wholesome things.

4. After you bathe, don't admire yourself in the mirror. Stay in the shower just long enough to clean yourself. Then dry off and GET OUT OF THE BATHROOM into a room where you will have some member of your family present.

5. When in bed (especially if that is where you masturbate), wear pajamas or other clothes so that you cannot easily touch yourself (and so that it would be difficult to remove those clothes. The time it takes to remove your clothing gives additional time to controll your thinking and overcome the temptation).

6. If the temptation seems overpowering while you are in bed, GET OUT OF BED! Go into the kitchen and make a snack, even if it is in the middle of the night, and even if you are not hungry. The purpose behind this suggestion is that you GET YOUR MIND ON SOMETHING ELSE. You are the subject of your thoughts, so to speak.

7. Never look at pornography on the internet or elsewhere. Never read about your problem (even on sites claiming to be "educational"). Keep it out of mind. Remember -- "First a thought, then an act." The thought pattern must be changed. You must not allow this problem to remain in your mind. When you accomplish that, you soon will be free of the act.

8. Put wholesome thoughts into your mind at all times. Read good books, scriptures, talks of church leaders. Make a daily habit of reading at least one chapter of Scripture, preferably from one of the four Gospels in the New Testament, or the Book of Mormon. The four Gospels -- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- above anything else in the Bible can be helpful because of their uplifting qualities.

9. Pray. But when you pray, don't pray about this problem, for that will tend to keep it in your mind more than ever. Pray for faith, pray for understanding of the Scriptures, pray for members of your family who need help. Pray for your friends, BUT KEEP THE PROBLEM OUT OF YOUR MIND BY NOT MENTIONING IT EVEN IN YOUR PRAYERS. KEEP IT OUT of your mind! The attitude of a person toward his problem has an affect on how easy it is to overcome. It is essential that a firm commitment be made to control the habit. As a person understands his reasons for the behavior, and is sensitive to the conditions or situations that may trigger a desire for the act, he develops the power to control it.


Stop it or youll go blind

[Rathji]

Did you just accidentally leave out part of that post? It really doesn't make any sense unless you are a 19th century optometrist and trying to encourage the proper development of eyesight in young men.

Please clarify. Thanks.