2008 College Football Thread

[moon]

Originally Posted by JayP

I still don't understand the sentiment of Texas beating OU. There was a three-way tie for first in the Big 12 South and all three teams were 1-1. If Texas got picked to beat Mizzou then Tech Texas will complaining that they beat Texas.

Texas lost on the road by 6 on the road in the last few minutes of the game and beat Oklahoma by 10 at a "neutral" site. Texas Tech got destroyed by Oklahoma in their loss.

I would say that it was pretty clear that Texas and Oklahoma were a step above Texas Tech. So Tech may have tried to complain but their argument would have been pretty flimsy based on the fact they had shown they were clearly worse than Oklahoma in their game.

[ricoFlame]

the AP for the end of the schedule:

1. Florida (50) 12-1 1,602
2. Oklahoma (9) 12-1 1,540
3. Texas (6) 11-1 1,530
4. Alabama 12-1 1,410
5. USC 11-1 1,372
6. Penn State 11-1 1,259
7. Utah 12-0 1,225
8. Texas Tech 11-1 1,193
9. Boise State 12-0 1,101
10. Ohio State 10-2 1,069
11. TCU 10-2 921
12. Cincinnati 11-2 863
13. Oklahoma State 9-3 853
14. Georgia Tech 9-3 761
15. Oregon 9-3 710
16. Georgia 9-3 599
17. Brigham Young 10-2 477
18. Pittsburgh 9-3 428
19. Michigan State 9-3 423
20. Mississippi 8-4 389
21. Virginia Tech 9-4 318
22. Northwestern 9-3 262
23. Ball State 12-1 249
24. Oregon State 8-4 163
25. Missouri 9-4 150

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yep another BCS season completed...another boondoggle as to who should be playing in the NC game.

No question, right now, the two hottest teams in the country are Fla/OK and that will likely be the game. Should be a decent one as well except that now we wait 32 days for "hot" teams to match up. Who knows what happens between now and then.

Texas is the one getting raped tho....and this is why if i EVER hear the old refrain from the pro BCS crowd that "the regular season IS a playoff" i will slap em back to reality. Really? Then why is it, if that is the case, does Oklahoma get in over Texas when they played at a neutral site and Texas WON. What happens ON the field apparently really doesn't matter and therefor there is no "playoff" games at all in the regular season, rendering those games just as important as any of the others.

It's a severly flawed system whether or not some will admit it.

Dude do you realize that its not a BCS problem with texas? Its the big 12's fault by using the bcs rankings to determine who the south champ is incase of a three way tie. If texas didnt lose to TT they wouldnt be in the position.

Its not the bcs's fault its the big 12 fault for texas. get over it

[PIMking]

Playoffs dont belong in D-1 Football never have never will. Face it thats part of the drama. Its not our fault that USC lost to Oregon state and they are left out. It wont be right having a playoff. this isnt the nfl they dont need a playoff that makes it so much more fun than the nfl. I know I know Reggie Bush might as well been pro while playing for the minor league nfl franchise called usc...

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Dude do you realize that its not a BCS problem with texas? Its the big 12's fault by using the bcs rankings to determine who the south champ is incase of a three way tie. If texas didnt lose to TT they wouldnt be in the position.

Its not the bcs's fault its the big 12 fault for texas. get over it

He just hates everything bcs. First it was USC getting jobbed, now that it's not trendy to whine about SC it's off to the next reason. The media is quite good and telling people how to think.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by ricoFlame

well it would in a way because all three would be in a playoff.

thereby making their head to head games irrelevant. The very concept the conferences are protecting against.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

thereby making their head to head games irrelevant. The very concept the conferences are protecting against.

Well then good thing we have the current system where head to head games like Texas-Oklahoma are very relevant.

[Flames in 07]

I love how people hate the bcs but know that texas is better.

Although a small datapoint to people who are busy lynching, but the BCS didn't put Oklahoma in the BigXII championship.

But let's just skick our fingers in our ears and yell "la la la" to that small hinderance. If Texas goes to the championship, then what about Tech? Tech beat Texas and beat the crap out of alot of teams this year. So why not Tech? I guess Texas should have won there VERY VERY important regular season game to Tech then.

Also just curious, for those who know Texas is the best, then I would also be curious which of rock, paper or scissors is the best.

At the end of the day the best 2 teams right now are about to play each other for the championship. (I think, assuming Florida and Oklahoma get in) So I don't understand the problem? The best teams playing the best ball are in, and people are still whining. Media have taught them well. A playoff may have put some 2 loss teams in there and somehow that's much better? If people want to stop lynching for 5 seconds and think about what has actually transpired they may stop spewing all their venom.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

thereby making their head to head games irrelevant. The very concept the conferences are protecting against.

they're already irrelevant. look, i love the bowl system and bowl season (it's fun and rewarding), but no matter what, regular season matchups become irrelevant if one team who lost to another, and has the same record, finishes ahead. three way tie or not, in this rare case/situation, the regular season matchup and result between OU and texas didn't matter. may as well have not played it.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by ricoFlame

they're already irrelevant. look, i love the bowl system and bowl season (it's fun and rewarding), but no matter what, regular season matchups become irrelevant if one team who lost to another, and has the same record, finishes ahead. three way tie or not, in this rare case/situation, the regular season matchup and result between OU and texas didn't matter. may as well have not played it.

How else do you sort out a 3 way tie then? You can't just brush off the point by saying 3 way tie or not. Well it was a 3 way tie, so how do you deal with it? plus / minus? well in that case Oklahoma still gets in. So what do you do?

Everyone knows it's not perfect but I don't know what else you can do with a 3 way tie. And you still miss the point that the Texas / Tech game was extremely important. You can't just cherry pick one regular season game, ignore all the others and make a conclusion that the regular season wasn't important in determining the result. It was important, you (and many others) are just focusing on certain games and ignoring others.

[PIMking]

The best way to settle a three way tie is Points for and if somehow they are tied by that then Points agianst if someway they are tied that way then the points for just for the three teams when they played eachother.

Texas got jobbed but its not the bcs's fault blame the big 12.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by PIMking

The best way to settle a three way tie is Points for and if somehow they are tied by that then Points agianst if someway they are tied that way then the points for just for the three teams when they played eachother.

Texas got jobbed but its not the bcs's fault blame the big 12.

well, ya those are two ways, personally, I'd put net plus/minus between them in the three games above those, but yea, the BigXII made their decision on how to settle them.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by PIMking

The best way to settle a three way tie is Points for and if somehow they are tied by that then Points agianst if someway they are tied that way then the points for just for the three teams when they played eachother.

Texas got jobbed but its not the bcs's fault blame the big 12.

OU beat Texas in points for still.

Points for is the stupidest way to decide a tiebreaker. Why is scoring points more important than not allowing them? Point differential makes a lot more sense...and OU has that tiebreaker too.

ABC also had a graphic showing the point differential for the 3 teams against common opponents (Big South teams and Kansas). Even in that case OU was far and away the best of the 3.

I really don't see how Texas got jobbed. Everyone completely forgets Texas Tech was also tied for first. If it was just OU and Texas then Texas would've went to the Big 12 championship for sure. But with the three way tie you have to factor Texas' loss to Tech and OU's destruction of Tech into account.

[ricoFlame]

cincy and tech in the orange bowl. probably be a good game.

penn state and SC in the rose bowl, big surprise there.

[ricoFlame]

Buckeyes/texas in the fiesta

Utah/Bama in the sugar...wow, if the utes can somehow win that one...talk about an uphill battle, tough opponent for sure.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

He just hates everything bcs. First it was USC getting jobbed, now that it's not trendy to whine about SC it's off to the next reason. The media is quite good and telling people how to think.

Look you pretentious ass....i am not thinking "what the media" tells me...and your assumption to say so is so far beyond the bounds of this site or ANYTHING you think you know, its absurd.

I have you dead to rights on the argument at hand....deal with it it.

You still bring up USC when it doesnt apply and when I havent mentioned them since they got jumped after winning by 66. Why do you do that...only thing you have left eh?

Weak.

I love how people hate the bcs but know that texas is better

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I love how you tell people that think that...that they are wrong. Look in the mirror.

Dude do you realize that its not a BCS problem with texas? Its the big 12's fault by using the bcs rankings to determine who the south champ is incase of a three way tie. If texas didnt lose to TT they wouldnt be in the position.

No "dude" its not the big 12's fault...its the BCS sytems fault..."dude".

[ricoFlame]

the bcs title game is going to be ridiculous. all-in-all there looks to be some sweet games come the end of bowl season. gonna be fun.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Look you pretentious ass....i am not thinking "what the media" tells me...and your assumption to say so is so far beyond the bounds of this site or ANYTHING you think you know, its absurd.

I have you dead to rights on the argument at hand....deal with it it.

Ya that's not pretention at all.

Really? well I have you dead to rights that paper is the best in rock paper scissors, because I said so. Deal with it.

The reality is you cherry pick the things you want to look at. And if someone else doesn't focus on the exact same things, and ignore everything else, then you throw down the gloves, work hard and steering comments out of context and throw names out.

So settle down, some people like and understand the bcs system. You don't and that's ok. Be frustrated for years to come because networks are paying huge money for bcs games and the conference heads know better and aren't moving. BCS is here, the people in charge think and know it is the best thing for college football, a few hundred thousand people are now planning out their vacations around the bowls, including me, and we are all going to have a good time. Oh and the best 2 teams in the country will play for the NC.

As ESPN says, it's the most wonderful time of the year!!

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by ricoFlame

Utah/Bama in the sugar...wow, if the utes can somehow win that one...talk about an uphill battle, tough opponent for sure.

I think we're in for another Sugar Bowl ass-whopping like Hawaii last year

[transplant99]

Oh and the best 2 teams in the country will play for the NC

Again..you know it all a whole lot more tha anyone else.

Hilarious.

Even guys who do that stuff for a living don't know...but at least they admit as much.

I don't know whether No. 1 Oklahoma and No. 2 Florida are the two best teams, and anyone who tells you they are, doesn't know either

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls0...van&id=3753762

And another opinion by a guy witb all sorts of "cred"

Stoops and Brown, men who have managed to reach the pinnacle of their profession while still carrying themselves with class and dignity, were reduced th this level by a system that values political capital, style points and exposure. Don't blame them. Blame the BCS and the boneheads who keep endorsing it.

"We're in what we're in," said Stoops, who, when he should have been celebrating, had to explain why he risked injury to his star quarterback in order to run up the score on a fallen opponent. "I can't change it tonight."

It shouldn't be that way, but it is, because a bunch of bowl officials and university presidents don't have enough imagination to do what's best for the game. It isn't about money, because an NCAA football tournament would command far more than the $125 million a year ESPN will pay to televise BCS games from 2011-13. It's about the fear of a lot of complacent people unwilling to take a risk.


Their stubbornness could eventually ruin the game. If the Sooners and Longhorns already had punched their tickets to the playoffs before Saturday, Oklahoma's backups would have played the entire fourth quarter. Heck, the Tigers quit with 15 seconds remaining in the first half when they neglected to use their final timeout and jogged into the locker room

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...s/?eref=sircrc

Whoops...I guess that flies in the face of...

because networks are paying huge money for bcs games and the conference heads know better and aren't moving