Coalition Deal To Topple Minority Tory Govt- [Update Parliament Prorogued until Jan]

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Flame On

How is that less constructive than what you posted?
I was merely pointing out that hypotheticals work both ways.

Because I was already doing the same thing in my post, in response to an earlier post.

Bonus points are awarded for actually following the thread imo.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

I pretty much agree with that assessment, except I don't blame Duceppe. He's just being true to his agenda, and he can't be blamed for that. I totally disagree with his agenda, but I don't fault him for being true to it. The other three however share the guilt, Layton foremost.

I agree with you and my perception of the man is, he has a lot on the ball. As someone before mentioned, too bad he is a Separatist and not a Federalist.

[Jade]

Originally Posted by ken0042

I guess I disagree with you there. There is a distinct line being drawn between how the NDP participate in the coalition, and what the Bloc's role would have been.

I cannot say I blame the Liberals for not wanting to get into the proverbial bed with the Bloc, so with the Bloc being seperate from the coalition makes the previously mentioned point that the CPC still has more seats than the Liberal-NDP coalition.

And yet they are still just as necessary for the coalition to work. The liberals can spin this all they like, but they still need the bloc on board just as much as they do the NDP. Anyone who doesn't see that is drinking a little too much red kool-aid.

[Wookie]

Emailed to me

Karygiannis says coalition finished, calls on Dion to resign

Toronto MP Jim Karygiannis says the coalition idea is finished and is calling on **>Stephane Dion<** to resign the Liberal leadership sooner rather than later.

Dion is scheduled to step aside as Liberal leader once a successor is chosen May 2 but many Liberals remain uneasy about the prospect of ensconcing him in the prime minister's office even temporarily.

Newfoundland MP Scott Simms says all MPs need to give their heads' a collective shake and get back in touch with what their constituents want them to do: fix the faltering economy.

Victoria MP Keith Martin says the two-month suspension of Parliament gives opposition parties a chance to open lines of communication with the government and work out a way to avert another crisis in the new year.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

I pretty much agree with that assessment, except I don't blame Duceppe. He's just being true to his agenda, and he can't be blamed for that. I totally disagree with his agenda, but I don't fault him for being true to it. The other three however share the guilt, Layton foremost.

Originally Posted by redforever

I agree with you and my perception of the man is, he has a lot on the ball. As someone before mentioned, too bad he is a Separatist and not a Federalist.

Actually. As tough as this is to admit, I agree that he does seem to be the one with the most sense in all of this.

Also, while I share the unwillingness to fault him for staying true to his stance, I do fault him for his willingness to poison this country to satisfy his goals.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Wookie

Emailed to me

what is up with that font? it's as bad as Dion's camcordered speech. hehe

[Robbob]

After watching the responses it scares me a bit listening to Layton and Duccepe. Dion didn't seem as firmly implanted as the others.

I can honestly say I've watched more on Canadian politics over the last couple days then I have in a calender year. I have no faith in Dion's abilities as a leader as he would no doubt be a puppet for the NDP and Bloc.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Wookie

Emailed to me

If true, this is awesome.

[Jade]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

I pretty much agree with that assessment, except I don't blame Duceppe. He's just being true to his agenda, and he can't be blamed for that. I totally disagree with his agenda, but I don't fault him for being true to it. The other three however share the guilt, Layton foremost.

Yup, Layton has finally seen the light that canadians will never vote for an NDP government, so he found another way to push his way in. Unfortunately the liberal leadership was weak enough that they needed this little ego boost too, and jumped on board. The liberals really need to hope the next leader is a lot stronger than Dion.

[malcolmk14]

The only way I really see this going now, is a non-confidence vote followed by an election, or the coalition backing off and starting to work with the conservatives.

If GG Jean thought this coalition had any legitimacy, she would've allowed them to proceed with the December 8 non-confidence vote.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I think this point is valid, and only the extreme right would disagree. I also think, however, that the reactions do not fit the cause.

If this had been some other inconsequential thing about some other $30 million dollar cut, there would be nowhere near this level of calamity. Unfortunately, it was going to take taxpayer dollars out of Liberal pockets, and Lord knows we can't have absurdities like that going on.

As for the Socialists/Separatists, they were planning this coalition all along. Perhaps they should be the ones that get the most blame. Conservatives were listening to their egos, Liberals were listening to their greed, but I think both parties are being played like fiddles by Layton and Duceppe.

Yeah, I think I posted that I think the "coalition" should have backed down as soon as the political funding issue was removed.

Show the CPC that you won't be bullied the way you were in the last session, and let them get down to work.

That hasn't happened, we have a Chamber filled with monkeys all throwing their own feces, and hopefully the time off will make them recognize that each and every one of them stink.

[Jade]

Originally Posted by Wookie

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I really hope this is true. It would be great to hear that some of the liberals have finally seen the light and realized what a terrible idea this is for their party. It would be great if maybe they could consider trying to find common gound with the conservatives and get back to work on something productive.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by redforever

I agree with you and my perception of the man is, he has a lot on the ball. As someone before mentioned, too bad he is a Separatist and not a Federalist.

I think I recall in the previous election thinking that if it weren't for the fact that they were separatists, they would have a solid platform.

Originally Posted by Wookie

Emailed to me

Might that be hope that there may be some sane minds on Parliament Hill? *trying not to get hopes up*

[koop]

sinifitant... sigiffi... significantly lol. I just watched the video, how about a second take?

[Robbob]

I just also wanted to give a thanks to everyone that has been part of this thread thus far (and in the future because). It probably has been the fastest thread to a hundred pages. I thought the thoughts and opinions were a good read, especially for people that aren't as passionate with the political system.

[Wookie]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

what is up with that font? it's as bad as Dion's camcordered speech. hehe

Came from a govt employee's blackberry

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Isn't there more than enough fault to go around? I don't see any of them as faultless. No matter how you want to assign blame, do you honestly believe that Stephen Harper is blameless in this entire issue?

As I've said before, No. Harper is not blameless.

He poked the bear and was swatted. He backed away. He's smart and will learn from this.

On the flip side, any "good" that he and his government is doing is being marginalized and ignored. The consultations that are going on are set aside because the end result (ie: spending $30B) hasn't been decided already.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

The only way I really see this going now, is a non-confidence vote followed by an election, or the coalition backing off and starting to work with the conservatives.

If GG Jean thought this coalition had any legitimacy, she would've allowed them to proceed with the December 8 non-confidence vote.

I don't see a non-confidence vote for the budget or crown speech. The next logical move for Harper is work hard with the Liberals to make sure that the budget is something that they can support.

I mean we all know that they can't afford an election anytime soon, and would probably be the most willing out of all of the parties to work with the government.

It would also effectively marginalize the bloc and NDP if they can get the Liberals to make the smart play and particpate with the government instead of trying to tear it down on an impulse.

[malcolmk14]

I'd say despite his early mistake, Harper dominated the rest of this entire situation quite thoroughly.

[bomber317]

The bad thing out of this is that Quebec is the only province smiling about this.

No matter what outcome happens at the end of this, 1 of the 2 major parties in canada will always need the Bloc Party to shift the balance of power. That will involve giving Quebec something.

I guess the separatists were correct in saying the Bloc Party has achieve one of their goals in getting what's best for Quebec all the time.

I find that a little discouraging, with the way our political system is setup it breaks up the country in regions (West/East/Quebec).