Coalition Deal To Topple Minority Tory Govt- [Update Parliament Prorogued until Jan]

[CaptainCrunch]

So umm does Layton speak for this coalition or does Dion. Because it sounds like we're going to get statements from both.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

So CBC has it? LOL. Dion is no fan of CTV, so maybe this was done on purpose. What a buffoon.

No, CBC is waiting too, and complaining about the Liberals' communication problems in the meantime.

[octothorp]

Oh man, crappy tape quality. Did they colour-correct Dion to match the flags?

[J pold]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Maybe the coalition couldn't agree amongst themselves, which courier to use to send his speech to ctv?

Duceppe wanted 3 million for Quebec for the hassel of shipping the thing.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Rerun

All this discussion and arguing back and forth is moot...

The way I see it, this is what is going to happen and I don't think there can be much done to change it:

1. PM Harper will go to the Governor General tomorrow or Friday and ask her to prorogue parliament until late January 2009.
2. She will agree to do that.
3. Parliament will reconvene in late January 2009 and the Conservatives will put forward a new budget full of all sorts of goodies and spending initiatives to get the economy back on track.
4. The budget will look so good, that it will pass. At least one of the coalition parties will vote in favor of it.
5. Shortly after the budget is passed, at the first opportune moment, one of the coalition parties will initiate a vote of non-confidence.
6. The Conservatives will be defeated by the still in-effect coalition.
7. Harper will then go to the GG and ask her to disolve parliament and call an election.
8. The coalition will go to the GG and say: Don't disolve parliament. We are prepared to form a government.
9. Now Canada's fate is in the hands of the Governor General.

If the Harper government gets to the budget with all of these goodies and stimuli and its a good budget, and the coalition defeats it, there will be a pretty big surge of outrage from Canadians, the government will collapse, popular dissension will force the GG to grant an election, and the NDP and Liberal's will get pummeled.

[metallicat]

CTV still not showing the tape. Dumb Liberals.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I don't really get this rhetoric of "jumping in bed" with the Bloc. The only guarantees that the Bloc have given the Liberal-NDP coalition is that they'll support two budgets and one throne speech. Obviously in return for that there will be some perks for Quebec. However, anytime there's a minority government the ruling party has to "jump in bed" with other parties. Martin's Liberals did it with the NDP to pass a budget and Harper's Conservatives did it with the Bloc in 2007.

They were just discussing this on QR77.

The details of this coalition are that the Bloq will vote with the coalition on all automatic Confidence votes (budget, throne speech, etc), but will be free to vote as they see fit on all other matters.

For example, Defence matters are not automatic confidence votes. This means the Bloq will have full veto authority on all matters of National Defence (since they need the votes from the Bloq to get anything passed).

The list goes on and on and on.

[JiriHrdina]

Why is the camera man focused on the background? Brutal.

[CaptainCrunch]

Sounds like the Liberal's just lost their time slot.

[3 Justin 3]

I never realized how ugly Dion is, and I never even noticed how completely idiotic he looks and sounds, I knew he was dumb, but he looks like such a dork.

[HotHotHeat]

CTV gave up, lol.

[J pold]

So CBC is showing it now? CTV doesn't have it yet

OK I'm watching it now on CBC, does anyone find the great irony that a book called "Hot Air" is in backround?

[JiriHrdina]

Man Dion is awful. Whoever on the coalition side thought it was a good idea to give him air-time messed up. He simply does more damage than good when he tries to act like a PM.

[metallicat]

CTV is re-airing Harper's speech, this is a complete clusterf***.

Edit- And now they start showing Dion mid-way through his speech. He's gonna be livid that it didn't air properly.

[HotHotHeat]

Global is playing it now. He's talking like this is his victory speech.

"Within one week, a new tone will be set." HEY! He said Calgary! Count me in Stephane!

[3 Justin 3]

AHAHA, can't he speak English? God his speech is just awful, stuttering, mispronouncing words, saying stimulating A LOT! Not to mention the video quality is worse than most porn I watch.

[LChoy]

Originally Posted by Jade

Completely agree. Given that ideologically they are the closest to each other, this should be possible. And yet, since the formation of the conservative government in the previous election, the liberals have been more willing to vote against what they believe in than to do this. Too bad they couldn't get someone else in charge earlier. Maybe then they could have worked this out.

Agree as well. I think I'm more annoyed by that fact that 4 Cabinet seats to the NDP are 4 more than they would ever have gotten if they didn't do this. Conservative-Liberal split would give the governement a more balance perspective, and a way to bridge the West and the East together.

[malcolmk14]

I stopped paying attention because I can't understand what he's saying.

[octothorp]

Delivery and such is awful, but I think Dion's doing a better job of setting out how he expects to move forward than Harper did.

[Ford Prefect]

CTV didn't get it because CTV is the first people Dion wants to speak last, or was that the last people he wants to see first, no wait ... ah forget it. It probably was just delayed because Gilles vetoed the first take and they had to redo it to get it right.