Stronach crosses the floor

[JohnnyTitan]

Originally posted by fotze@May 18 2005, 01:11 AM
Why can't there be a party that represents my views and many of those here. Fiscal conservatives whom allow gay marriage, recognizes immigrants are a good thing, doesn't want to invade Iraq on baloney, don't spend 1 bilion dollars on a registry even though I like gun control, don't steal money, don't spend money advertising Canada in Canada. I am more p*ssed at the conservatives over this.

I vote for Fotze!!

To add to your point, why can't we have more MPs from Alberta that share these ideals and don't make us all look like Red-Neck / Religious wing-nuts.

Prentice is great. You're lucky to have him!! There are a few other good ones too, but White and Thompson and Anders and Stinson get all the press.

And of course Harper.

90% of Calgarians / Albertans have something great to offer each other and this country, but it gets lost when we're represented by a bunch of yahoos.

[FlamesAddiction]

Heh, I just saw that picture on Google Images .

I also noticed that a few Conservative sites have images of Stronach on their front page. I guess someone should alert their webmasters.

Here is my favourite:

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@May 17 2005, 07:37 PM

Question -- did this Stronach woman seem like a good fit for the party? She didn't ever seem like the type to me. Interesting seating plan they picked out for her as well. Sitting next to Stockwell Day was probably not a good move. Nobody can look smart or even credible hanging out near that boob.

In truth, no.

A lot of what comes out now will be sour grapes but her platform (what there was of it) was noticeably different when she ran for the leadership.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally posted by fotze+May 17 2005, 06:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fotze @ May 17 2005, 06:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Hakan@May 17 2005, 06:41 PM
Corporations which have ALREADY been reaping windfall profits for the past 5 years without the tax cuts.

And this is why I can't stand the liberal's. Even Paul Martin realizes that these corporations making these windfall profits (that ironically the liberal government takes all the credit for creating the jobs, healthy economy and low unemployment ) are pretty much a good thing for the economy.

Would you rather that these companies made shinguardty profits? What the fata kind of logic is that?

"DUH. If only we can force companies make less money, the jobs will pay more, there will be more of them and everyone will win" shinguard even the NHLPA doesn't think that stupid crap.

I hate CEO's making stupid money only because of the way they set their compensation as a shareholder i.e. Air Canada who loses money, but to think companies making money means you should tax them more is just ######ed. IT MEANS A HEALTHY COMPANY that will pay more taxes (percentages work funny that way), employ more people (that pay taxes) [/b][/quote]
One of the greatest misconceptions of the left is that corporations don't pay enough tax.

In truth they pay virtually no tax.

A company either passes the tax on to its customers or goes out of business.

I'm not suggesting there be no corporate tax, but you can raise it all you want, all you're doing is raising the taxes we pay as individuals. And corporations don;t give a rats ass what your income bracket is. If they have to add $2 a month to you bank fees to cover the tax they will, whether it's your last $2 or you've got thousands more.

[FlamesAddiction]

[The Goon]

Hilarious-I actually know the guy in the "Better than Viagra" t-shirt.



Anyhow, here's the soap opera scenario I envision: A devastated Peter MacKay ends his relationship with Belinda. A few years down the line, they each become leader of their respective parties, and the headlines just write themselves as they face each other for the dream of being Prime Minister.

[Natt]

Maybe a moon..... a useless waste of space that appears on the horizon day in, day out. Regardless of the question put forward to him in the house regarding the Gomery inquiry, he replies with the same old sad line. You could set your watch by him.
Scott Bison was part of the old Conservative Party. Does anyone even know or remember how this new Conservative Party even came about? Peter Mckay promised that if the old Conservatives made him leader that he would NOT merge with the Canadian Alliance. That is the only reason why he got the votes to become leader. Unfortunately, once he gained leadership, he merged with the Canadian Alliance. Scott Bison left when this happened because he did not support this merger.
In regards to to who supports the Bloc: Not many, that is why we don't vote Liberal. The sponsorship scandal is fuelling the fire of Quebec separatism by a landslide compared to ANYTHING that has happened since the last Quebec referendum. Good politics by the Liberals.
Why do people keep forgetting that the sponshopship scandal started because the Liberal Party was attempting to put money into promoting FEDERALISM. as in UNITY, in Quebec. They had no intention of driving them away, quite the opposite in fact. Their huge mistake was that the spent the money irresponsibly and recklessly so that everyone lost track about where lots and lots of money went. And also, this happened more than 10 years ago, shortly after the last referendum, when Jean Chretien was PM . When Paul Martin (who did not even get along with Jean Chretien) came into power, he brought new people so why the current Liberal Party is taking all the heat is a little unusual to me but I guess we need to hold someone responsible, but are they the right people?
In regards to Joe Clark: Good. He is a failure, and a turncoat.
He retired after thinking that new leader Peter Mackay would hold to his promise of not merging with Canadian Alliance so to call him a turn coat is wrong. He never supported this new Conservative Party in the first place. If trusting your own political party is a failure, then those are your words, not mine. [/I]
Kilgour won in Edmonton by 132 votes (+0.33% vote share) over the Conservatives while McLellan won by 721 votes (+1.35% of vote share). BTW, she won in 1993 by a mere 12 votes. This is in contrast to the other Edmonton area districts that voted with AT LEAST +10% of vote share difference and as much as +35% difference. That is not a "hard time swallowing him".
I would have to disagree. You try running Liberal in Alberta and actually winning. Regardless of how many votes these MPs won by, the fact that they WON is a feat in itself.
I'm sick of hearing the words "corruption" "lying" "evil". Every party has made some terrible mistakes. But we are being hypocrites too. Ralph Klein crossed over from the Liberal to the Conservative party. Why isn't he branded a traitor? Why do we continue to generalize an ENTIRE province, let alone the most populated province (Ontario) as horrible, evil, and the enemy. It almost seems like some people don't even vote according to party policies but just to spite a WHOLE province of people who we assume are all the same. What about the MANY Ontarians that vote Conservative? Why do we got so angry about how Ontario only votes Liberal, Ontario only votes Liberal when it is clear that most Albertans only vote Conservative? If one political part can not be in power for so long, why do we not apply this to our provincial elections where the Conservatices have been running the province since I can remember? At least Ontario has elected a Conservative Premier, even an NDP. Yet, here in Alberta, provincially, federally, it is always the same, sometimes I wonder why I should bother voting.
Why do we continue to assume that Alberta is practically the only province that supports this country when clearly, we neglect one of our biggest contirbutors to the GDP, which is WHEAT, not oil, WHEAT, which comes mainly from Saskatchewan NOT Alberta. We complain that oil prices are so high even though we live in Alberta. Yet farmers in Saskatchewan are encouraged to have TWO JOBS because they are forced to sell their wheat at cheap prices (cheap food policy) so that Canadians can buy a loaf of bread at cheap prices. And now, we call a woman we don't even know, never even met, probably haven't even listened to, a power slut, a prostitute, a power bitch who sold her soul.

Please, as Canadians, let's try to be open minded.

[metallicat]

I don't even want to think of Stronach becoming leader of the Liberal Party. She doesn't have the smarts for it. Her lack of political knowledge shows through whenever she has to give a speech on the actual issues.

[HOZ]

Another vote for

Lies
Scandal
Threats
Hypocricy
Graff
Theft
Incompetence
Dithering



Another very proud moment for Bananada!!! :boh:

[kn]

Originally posted by JohnnyTitan@May 17 2005, 08:43 PM
To add to your point, why can't we have more MPs from Alberta that share these ideals and don't make us all look like Red-Neck / Religious wing-nuts.

Prentice is great. You're lucky to have him!! There are a few other good ones too, but White and Thompson and Anders and Stinson get all the press.

And of course Harper.

90% of Calgarians / Albertans have something great to offer each other and this country, but it gets lost when we're represented by a bunch of yahoos.

I completely agree with this. This has been a consistent theme when, for example, Jan Brown left the Reform Party. Moderate conservatives don't seem welcome in the fold. While I think Stronauch is more of a case of opportunism, there are elements such as Thompson, Stinson, Anders, White and Day, that I am completely uncomfortable with and gives the party a bad image. I don't think Harper falls into this camp. Any social conservative speeches he gives are more of a bone to that segment of supporters; he'd probably throw that away quickly if he could.

Alberta is its own world, however. Taking a look at other political forums from around the country proves this.

[kn]

Originally posted by Natt@May 17 2005, 09:34 PM
Why do we continue to generalize an ENTIRE province, let alone the most populated province (Ontario) as horrible, evil, and the enemy. It almost seems like some people don't even vote according to party policies but just to spite a WHOLE province of people who we assume are all the same. What about the MANY Ontarians that vote Conservative? Why do we got so angry about how Ontario only votes Liberal, Ontario only votes Liberal when it is clear that most Albertans only vote Conservative?

Once again, thank our plurality electoral system. In the heat of the moment, such as today, emotion takes over. There are Liberals in Alberta and Conservatives in Ontario but their votes don't count unless concentrated in one constituency.

I hope BC's referendum on proportional representation passes and it's the start of a nationwide trend. It would really help a great deal in reducing regional tensions and increasing national unity.

[Clarkey]

Who the heck said Belinda Balsach is attractive, she's a damn 2 dressed up as a 4! I bet that most 2nd year poli science students would be better qualified to do her job. She is horrible at speaking, and really has nothing of value to say. Her greatest genius was the bigger economic pie. She has no integrity, what a fool.

[shoestring]

[/QUOTE]
Once again, thank our plurality electoral system. In the heat of the moment, such as today, emotion takes over. There are Liberals in Alberta and Conservatives in Ontario but their votes don't count unless concentrated in one constituency.

I hope BC's referendum on proportional representation passes and it's the start of a nationwide trend. It would really help a great deal in reducing regional tensions and increasing national unity.



I agree.I'm watching the BC results roll in and the referendum is at 56.7% needs 60% to pass. But the results are very slow.
I'm watching because my sis is the right hand woman of NDP's Carole James.
I haven't talked politics with her for fifteen years or so. Mutual agreement.

Belinda on the other hand, well I am pretty sure I could out debate her.She was a mess tonight.

[Winsor_Pilates]

I really don't like how someone can cross the floor. I think most voters tend to vote for the party more than the candidate and they would change their vote with the change of the party. It would be better if they had to sit as independents until the next election and then run under a new party.

Note: Sorry if this point was already made, I didn't read the whole post.

[CaptainCrunch]

Watching her interview on the CBC tonight, really pounded into me what an arrogant woman this is, she's already memorized her new parties crap about the Conservatives working in conjunction to break up Canada, by tommorrow she'll be screaming hidden agenda, racism and other stuff.

I really can't see her as being anything but an opportunist who waited til the last possible minute so she could blackmail the highest position of power out of the Liberal's. And the Liberal's in thier desparate bid to keep thier power willingly put on the studded dog collar and curled around her feet.

Its too bad, over the last 10 years I've become really dis-illusioned about government in Canada, and today really punched another nail through it for me. While I'm not for Alberta seperating outright from Canada, I'm really intrigued about Alberta throwing up a firewall to protect itself from a country that dosen't give two craps about it as long as the checks don't bounce.

Maybe Quebec has seen something that we should see. Its time to start screwing over Canada and getting whatever we can out of them. Its time to start getting the government to start listening to us, without selling out our principles like the Liberal's are so willing to do.

We've been in a state of undeclared war with Central Canada for as long as I can remember, maybe its time to make it a declared war.

The Russian's are right

A little revolution once in a while is not a bad thing.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch@May 17 2005, 10:16 PM
While I'm not for Alberta seperating outright from Canada, I'm really intrigued about Alberta throwing up a firewall to protect itself from a country that dosen't give two craps about it as long as the checks don't bounce.

How do you manage to equate this into an attack on Alberta? What does Belinda switching parties have to do with not caring about Alberta?
What about her constituants in Ontario? should they whine that no one cares about Ontario?

If conservative supporters ever want expand their market beyond the West, stop antagonising the rest of Canada over things that have nothing at all to do with provincial differences.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch@May 18 2005, 05:16 AM
Watching her interview on the CBC tonight, really pounded into me what an arrogant woman this is, she's already memorized her new parties crap about the Conservatives working in conjunction to break up Canada, by tommorrow she'll be screaming hidden agenda, racism and other stuff.

What makes you think she didn't come to the conclusion on her own? I barely watch TV and haven't paid much attention to Canadian politics lately at all so I would have no idea what the Liberals have been saying, but when I heard the cons made a deal with the Bloc (who they share NO ideologic similarities), it seemed obvious what was a likely outcome. Harper is willing to deal with the devil to get his election.

Its too bad, over the last 10 years I've become really dis-illusioned about government in Canada, and today really punched another nail through it for me. While I'm not for Alberta seperating outright from Canada, I'm really intrigued about Alberta throwing up a firewall to protect itself from a country that dosen't give two craps about it as long as the checks don't bounce.

Whoa, what's the Alberta connection with Stronach crossing the floor? That is way out of left field. I think the psychological slang for that "kitchen sinking".

[browna]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction+May 17 2005, 11:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FlamesAddiction @ May 17 2005, 11:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CaptainCrunch@May 18 2005, 05:16 AM
Watching her interview on the CBC tonight, really pounded into me what an arrogant woman this is, she's already memorized her new parties crap about the Conservatives working in conjunction to break up Canada, by tommorrow she'll be screaming hidden agenda, racism and other stuff.

What makes you think she didn't come to the conclusion on her own? I barely watch TV and haven't paid much attention to Canadian politics lately at all so I would have no idea what the Liberals have been saying, but when I heard the cons made a deal with the Bloc (who they share NO ideologic similarities), it seemed obvious what was a likely outcome. Harper is willing to deal with the devil to get his election.

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The Conservatives dealing with the Bloc is playing within the rules of the politics game, pure and simple. To draw conculsions that this deal is breaking Canadian unity is as ridiculous as saying the Liberals are ready to implement every pie in the sky NDP proposal like huge tax increases on corporations, larger personal taxes to help fun socail programs for every Canadian on a whim.

You really think the NDP are snuggling up to the Libs because they have the same ideologic similarities, and want to share part of the blame for the Ad Scandal, and Gun Registry debacle among others? As soon as the NDP gets thier budget in there, Layton is both useless to the Liberals, and has said on the weekend he would want an election right away.

Its part of the same game that Stronich is playing her part in today...you can't call one part of the game crooked while you're taking advantage of it another way, or have your cake and eat it too.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Clarkey@May 17 2005, 11:06 PM
I bet that most 2nd year poli science students would be better qualified to do her job. She is horrible at speaking, and really has nothing of value to say. Her greatest genius was the bigger economic pie. She has no integrity, what a fool.

This kind of comment is raises a question...

If a Liberal/liberal had said such things about Stronach on the 16th what would you have said?

Just one day ago she was a bigwig in the CPCs. An accomplished person, well liked, snagged a seat in Red Ontario, fiscally conservative, anti-Kyoto (which is suddenly a bad thing to some of the locals)...

Today she's an incompetent moron, no more qualified than a 20 year-old product of a biased liberal education system, a traitor, a fool, an ugly slut, an opportunist, overly ambitious (now a bad thing), corrupt, a Liberal Party plant, a pawn of her father's business interests, lacking integrity, bla, bla, bla.

It's quite a turn of events and the Conservatives get burned again.

Surprise surprise.

Really, doesn't it bother you guys? They get torched every time. Every time. They've got the mother of all scandals to play against. A cut-and-dried case of thievery but they still can't get ahead. Even if they were able to force an election (which looks unlikely) it's doubtful that they'd win.

The chance the the CPCs are just totally inept just doesn't wash around here. Really it should, because they obviously are.

[JohnnyTitan]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@May 18 2005, 06:04 AM
The chance the the CPCs are just totally inept just doesn't wash around here. Really it should, because they obviously are.

Here here!

I agree with Rouge and Fotze and others.

This whole ordeal makes me more mad at the Conservatives than anyone.

Any intelligent political party with a true leader and real passion would have won a majority a long time ago. Harper and Co. are fools...and looking more foolish every day.

I still won't vote Liberal, but the Conservatives need to wake up!!!