Exactly. So many were saying just this halfway through the first thread....that there is absolutely no way this doesn't blow up in the Liberal's face long term.
If they pull it off, the coup will be a non-factor next election IMO.
It'll be a new leader, they won't be buds with the seperatists anymore, and they'll have a record to run on.
I gained massive respect for Harper today. He came across extraordinarily strong, calm and intelligent in the Q&A session. 12 hours ago I was thinking he might just have to go to put this behind us, now I want to give him a majority!
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Harper had solid, common sense arguments to draw from, compared to the seperatist coalition "leaders" hanging onto razor thin arguments to try and justify their position (given the Conservative concessions) and looked liked they were trying too hard to try and sell something they knew was on pretty weak, undemocratic ground.
Harper just looked like a confident, solid leader with proper, thoughful, common sense arguments to each volley thrown at him....and controlled agressive passion that made him look 10x more apt to lead this country then the other 3 combined.
This could threaten to shatter ikaris's delusions. Scary stuff...
Threaten my delusions? You act as if I want this to happen. Obviously you haven't been reading my posts. Thanks for your contribution though, it was really insightful.
This 1.3 billion likely has to do with the auto, manufacturing, forestry, and mining bailout that has been mentioned as one of the points in the accord. It's really hard to say without knowing their full plan, but it's probably not going to get that far anyways.
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Harper had solid, common sense arguments to draw from, compared to the seperatist coalition "leaders" hanging onto razor thin arguments to try and justify their position (given the Conservative concessions) and looked liked they were trying too hard to try and sell something they knew was on pretty weak, undemocratic ground.
Harper just looked like a confident, solid leader with proper, thoughful, common sense arguments to each volley thrown at him....and controlled agressive passion that made him look 10x more apt to lead this country then the other 3 combined.
My sentiments, exactly. Watching him handle himself in today's question period just reminded me of why I voted for him, and strengthened my belief that he's more than capable of leading us through this crisis. This is more than I can say for Back-Room Jack and Mrs Dion, however.
Edit: Could you imagine Dion meeting with the President in the Oval Office? For crying out loud, we'd be the 51st State within minutes of him walking into the room.
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Dion: "Oui oui, Monsieur President. It's that I have became with the understanding that there is a great... duty that can be given unto... the peoples of the States of the United Americans... and I would be the honored to produce a great unity to this cause. Also, if you would please to allow me to start over, because the question... it was not very clear to me."
Unfortunately a 1.3 billion dollar bribe is not illegal, however if this money comes out of the taxpayers money then these jokers need to be tossed out of power, and the Liberal and NDP parties need to be reduced to 2 seats each. As a taxpayer this puts me into a rage, the Liberal's and NDP are subverting our government and bribing separatists with our money.
Before the GG makes her decision, this needs to be investigated by the Auditor General, and if its true then GG has to tell the coalition scumbags to f off and call an election.
I'm pissed.
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Harper just looked like a confident, solid leader with proper, thoughful, common sense arguments to each volley thrown at him....and controlled agressive passion that made him look 10x more apt to lead this country then the other 3 combined.
Have to agree with this part, and actually pretty much always have. Dion is a bit of a clown to hear and see. Some of that might be language barrier which is unfortunate because I think he's smart. But still, image counts.
Harper has his moments good and bad, but the clips I've seen were impressive today.
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Forgive me is this has already been posted ... there are sections of this thread that I have missed, hard as that may be to believe.
According to the Edmonton Sun, Steady Eddie has a Plan B should the Separatist Coalition seize power, but he doesn't want to tip his hand until he sees how everything plays out. Fair enough. Allegations of a Western Coalition with other western premiers are mentioned in the article, as well as the "firewall" word. I think that's what's being said at least. It's not exactly Pulitzer quality writing.
Unfortunately a 1.3 billion dollar bribe is not illegal, however if this money comes out of the taxpayers money then these jokers need to be tossed out of power, and the Liberal and NDP parties need to be reduced to 2 seats each. As a taxpayer this puts me into a rage, the Liberal's and NDP are subverting our government and bribing separatists with our money.
Before the GG makes her decision, this needs to be investigated by the Auditor General, and if its true then GG has to tell the coalition scumbags to f off and call an election.
I'm pissed.
You had to know that the Bloc was getting SOMETHING out of the deal. They wouldn't just sit idly by and form this coalition if they weren't going to roll in Alberta money. That's why the whole spirit of this is undemocratic.
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You had to know that the Bloc was getting SOMETHING out of the deal. They wouldn't just sit idly by and form this coalition if they weren't going to roll in Alberta money. That's why the whole spirit of this is undemocratic.
Duceppe also released a letter today to his major supporters saying that he's doing this to further his seperatist aims, and that he basically has a say in the budget.
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Unfortunately, intelligent and rational Canadians are going to be stuck with the choice of two evils. The lesser evil of having yankee doodle dandy and republican wannabe Sweaters Harper as our P.M. He is bullying despot who plays dirty politics and brought down his own government. Not to mention his hypocrisy. This is the same person who teamed up with the Bloc and NDP to bring down a Liberal government.
However, he does have a background in economics. Maybe he can actually take some of that education and knowledge and fiscal principle and apply it to government. He failed miserably in his first term as P.M., spending money like it was going out of style. Maybe someone will give him an old Econ 201 or 203 textbook and he can learn about how the world of macroeconomics works.
Yet, having Harper as P.M. is much better than the other evil to consider. The NDP having any say in our nation's financial affairs. This is a party that has bankrupted every province they governed in. It amazes me how a party that fails time after time after time can even get one vote. Well, they get lots of votes from unions. Unions who care only about themselves. Unions will sooner bankrupt companies and the government then actually acknowledge that they are an overpaid pseudo-mafia organization. If you ever wanna see were our tax dollars go, just look at how big of a percentage our government dollars go towards strictly union wages. They monopolize and then go on strike whenever they feel they are "not getting enough". I'll never understand why this country doesn't break the monopolistic unions, once and for all.
In the end, if this coalition gov't comes to fruition, the blame will lie on the bully. And then maybe, just maybe, a new party will be created in Canada. One that actually makes sense. That party being one that is fiscally conservative and socially liberal. It's about time intelligent and educated people get a party they can vote for. Kind of like the Liberals in the 90's. That's how you run government. Except it could be so much better.
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Harper had solid, common sense arguments to draw from, compared to the seperatist coalition "leaders" hanging onto razor thin arguments to try and justify their position (given the Conservative concessions) and looked liked they were trying too hard to try and sell something they knew was on pretty weak, undemocratic ground.
Harper just looked like a confident, solid leader with proper, thoughful, common sense arguments to each volley thrown at him....and controlled agressive passion that made him look 10x more apt to lead this country then the other 3 combined.
I've just watched question period and I really have to agree. Harper appeared very statesmanlike, exactly the type of leader that you would want to lead you through these difficult times.
The opposition stooges on the other hand...............
Threaten my delusions? You act as if I want this to happen. Obviously you haven't been reading my posts. Thanks for your contribution though, it was really insightful.
This 1.3 billion likely has to do with the auto, manufacturing, forestry, and mining bailout that has been mentioned as one of the points in the accord. It's really hard to say without knowing their full plan, but it's probably not going to get that far anyways.
I don't understand how you can possibly believe that this 1.3 billion handout has anything to do with the 30 million stimulus package.
If this 1.3 billion exists, it's a nice little "Quebec package" above and beyond the 30 billion stimulus package. Why would Gilles accept anything less?
This is just one of many carrots the two stooges are going to have to hang in front of the third for this coalition to take place. To think otherwise is delusional.
Unfortunately, intelligent and rational Canadians are going to be stuck with the choice of two evils. The lesser evil of having yankee doodle dandy and republican wannabe Sweaters Harper as our P.M. He is bullying despot who plays dirty politics and brought down his own government. Not to mention his hypocrisy. This is the same person who teamed up with the Bloc and NDP to bring down a Liberal government.
Nice colorful language, short on content though. Harper signed a letter stating that the GG would first CONSULT those three leaders if the Liberal government was going to be dissolved, and decide on a game plan for the next step. Remarkably different from a group of three leaders devising how to spend money, and splitting up the time share on 24 Sussex Drive, as this crew is already moving forward with.
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However, he does have a background in economics. Maybe he can actually take some of that education and knowledge and fiscal principle and apply it to government. He failed miserably in his first term as P.M., spending money like it was going out of style. Maybe someone will give him an old Econ 201 or 203 textbook and he can learn about how the world of macroeconomics works.
Well, which is that? Throwing money blindly at problems? He's already moved the budget up as early as is possible. And repteadly, its been said, and makes complete sense, that until his US counterpart lays out his plan for the various industries and financial institutions, any movement along similar lines in this country would be throw darts blindly. Nevermind that macroeconomic policies and changes do not, and cannot, occur with any sort of tangible results, in a matter of months, let alone weeks.
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That party being one that is fiscally conservative and socially liberal. It's about time intelligent and educated people get a party they can vote for. Kind of like the Liberals in the 90's. That's how you run government.
Just to make this clear...us backwater hicks managed to scribble an X beside someone other then the Liberal Candidate back in the 90's, while the "intelligent, educated" voted for a party that know's "how to run government"....through embelzzing and defrauding taxpayer dollars under the guise of federally funded projects?
I don't understand how you can possibly believe that this 1.3 billion handout has anything to do with the 30 million stimulus package.
If this 1.3 billion exists, it's a nice little "Quebec package" above and beyond the 30 billion stimulus package. Why would Gilles accept anything less?
This is just one of many carrots the two stooges are going to have to hang in front of the third for this coalition to take place. To think otherwise is delusional.
Could you please explain to me how this nefarious package would be implemented? I've provided a rational explanation as to what this supposed "secret" deal is. I think that the accord is pretty clear in its concessions to Quebec (and even Ontario and BC).
One thing you might forget is that the Liberals kind of need support of this little province called Ontario. Do you think it would be in their interests to have a special package just dedicated to Quebec? There are probably all sorts of things in the stimulus package earmarked for Quebec, Ontario, and BC.
Of course there will be nothing for Alberta and Saskatchewan, I mean is this really a shock to anyone? If Alberta had a larger population that contrasted into more seats, we could have a hammer like the BQ, but unfortunately the logistics for it don't exist to make an impact yet.
It was an online poll of 1012 people. It means nothing.
Edit: Even though it would prove what I've been saying all along, in that the majority of Canadians (if asked) would approve the removal of taxpayer-funded vote subsidies, I don't give any form of online vote any credence.
It may have been an online poll, but it was conducted in a statistically controlled so it is relevant as any poll.
Duceppe also released a letter today to his major supporters saying that he's doing this to further his seperatist aims, and that he basically has a say in the budget.
Funny... CBC Radio had some buffoon PoliSci prof on today and he was attempting to lambaste Harper for calling Duceppe a separatist and for implying that the Libs and NDP were assisting the Bloc in furthering the separatist cause. Supposedly, Harper was unnecessarily fanning the flames of separatism because, according to this guy, the Bloc wasn't really into separatism anymore. Ugh.
He must've missed that press conference where Duceppe flat out said that he will only use this coalition for the good of Quebec, and the good of Quebec is for the good of a sovereign Quebec.
I love how brazen he is. The only guy you can't rightly accuse of having a hidden agenda. His agenda is right out there in the open.
Just to make this clear...us backwater hicks managed to scribble an X beside someone other then the Liberal Candidate back in the 90's, while the "intelligent, educated" voted for a party that know's "how to run government"....through embelzzing and defrauding taxpayer dollars under the guise of federally funded projects?
