Coalition Deal To Topple Minority Tory Govt- [Update Parliament Prorogued until Jan]

[Kerplunk]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Well then let's do it! We got CaptainCrunch already, we can russle up some more.

Come on, man... that $1.95 per vote is calling our names!

Edit: It could be the Captain FanBobble Party! Come on, who wouldn't vote for that?!

WOOHOO!! All the way to Parliament!!

[Kerplunk]

Originally Posted by WhiteTom

I'm in! How quickly do I need to learn French?

Just mumble something that sounds like French.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Kerplunk

WOOHOO!! All the way to Parliament!!

Our leadership convention is going to rock.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by WhiteTom

I'm in! How quickly do I need to learn French?

No French required, brother!

We could campaign on the benefits of having soup labels with large text and more room, and not having to wait through a 30 second voice prompt just to hit "1 for English!"

[Incinerator]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

No French required, brother!

We could campaign on the benefits of having soup labels with large text and more room, and not having to wait through a 30 second voice prompt just to hit "1 for English!"

Brilliant Platform, count me in!

I'm sure we can get 308 CP'ers here to run in each riding!

[WhiteTom]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Our leadership convention is going to rock.

I could just see it now, beer pong to determine the leader.

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by Kerplunk

Just mumble something that sounds like French.

How's this ...

Riboflavine libre à l'intérieur de chaque boîte de Kellogg's.

[J pold]

Media Polls:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/

http://www.torontosun.com/

http://www.thestar.com/#

http://www.ctv.ca/

[WhiteTom]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

How's this ...

Riboflavine libre à l'intérieur de chaque boîte de Kellogg's.

What did you just say about my mother!?

[ikaris]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

This keeps getting brought up... We're talking about two completely different Governments. The Liberal Government at that time was corrupt, and riddled with scandal after scandal. So much so, that the elected PM stepped down in order to save his own ass from getting tossed out the door. He then appointed his replacement, without so much as a Liberal leadership race, never mind an election.

Holy over exaggeration Batman! Riddled with scandal after scandal? There was the sponsorship scandal. Everyone so quickly forgets the Cadman affair plaguing Harper.

Originally Posted by FanIn80

That Government NEEDED to be taken down. Their approval ratings were in the tank, and it was indeed one of lowest times for Canadians, in terms of Government satisfaction.

I think you need some stats to support this because I can guarantee there have been periods of significantly greater dissatisfaction.

Originally Posted by FanIn80

This time around, the people are happy with the Government. We just gave them a renewed mandate (minority, yes, but mandate nonetheless) and we just finished re-electing them. It has already been proven that the NDP and Bloq started planning this coalition two days after the last election.

The people are happy with the government? Really? The fact that the Conservatives could not get a majority shows that people are scared to give them too much power.

Originally Posted by FanIn80

This coalition is not about "what's best for Canada" or "getting rid of a corrupt, lame-duck Government"... it is about power for Layton, Duceppe, Dion and all of their political friends.

It's your prerogative to suggest whatever you want. Troutman posted an excellent opinion piece which really talks about the root of this problem. The Conservatives have only themselves to blame.

Unfortunately because this has become so political, the proper solution cannot be had.

[ikaris]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

Problem with that strategy is Joe Sixpack and the Central Canada Dufus Club are likely to blame the Conservatives for the election and not the coalition.

Or those damn redneck Albertans will never realize who is truly to blame for this problem.

I can make gross negligent regionally stereotypical remarks too.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ikaris

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Unfortunately because this has become so political, the proper solution cannot be had.

Sure it can...

for the 3rd time in this thread, 1st time yesterday, i say this and wonder if anyone from the left will respond.

I propose there should be an election at the end of January and the NDP/Liberals/Bloc run a campaign based on creating a coalition, since I watched their leaders sit in front of the flags of all provinces and territories this afternoon and proclaim " it is in the best interests of Canada" that they do so.

Let the chips fall where they may after that. And should Harper fail to get a majority, he shoudl agree to resign and go to the backbench.

[CaptainCrunch]

From the globe article

The coalition agreement calls for an economic stimulus package including infrastructure spending; money for housing; aid to key sectors such as manufacturing; auto and forestry sectors; funding for skills training; and support for unemployed older workers.
But Mr. Dion said leaders could not say when stimulus details would be revealed, or how much the plan would cost, arguing they do not yet know when they would take power and have not seen the country's hidden fiscal details.

I think if they're going to take over government they should be held to a higher standard and release the details of not only their package, but how they plan to pay for it because right now, this sounds like they don't have a specific plan.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ikaris

Or those damn redneck Albertans will never realize who is truly to blame for this problem.

I can make gross negligent regionally stereotypical remarks too.

Doesnt make any sense though...as Duceppe, Layton and Dion are responsible for ALL of this, but its whether you blame them for doing so or not.

Do you?

[Jason14h]

Or those damn redneck Albertans will never realize who is truly to blame for this problem.

Quebec?

[ikaris]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Sure it can...

for the 3rd time in this thread, 1st time yesterday, i say this and wonder if anyone from the left will respond.

Sure, I would be happy to have this. Essentially the NDP or Liberal would remove a candidate from each riding and have only one representing (the one that has the best chance to win).

I would be game for that. This is essentially a Liberal-NDP government, I think this is a good way of measuring what Canadians want.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by J pold

Media Polls:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/

http://www.torontosun.com/

http://www.thestar.com/#

http://www.ctv.ca/

3 polls basically ask who you support to govern...the Tories or coalition.

2 of the polls are at about 70:30 against the coalition (ctv, sun). 1 poll is about 55:45 against the coalition (Globe).

The other poll (the Star) is worded as whether you feel Harper is right in calling this undemocratic. Different question. Now under this system it is "democractic" ..moral is a different story. That poll is about 48:50:2 (No:yes:don't know).

I think if a real poll were done we'd be in that 65% range against the coalition.

[transplant99]

I think if they're going to take over government they should be held to a higher standard and release the details of not only their package, but how they plan to pay for it because right now, this sounds like they don't have a specific plan

Of course they don't...how could they since they just agreed yesterday for all intents and purposes.

yet, they are claiming they are hijacking the government for THAT EXACT SAME REASON...that Harper has no plan.

Its so fraeking hyppocritical its a joke.

[ikaris]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Doesnt make any sense though...as Duceppe, Layton and Dion are responsible for ALL of this, but its whether you blame them for doing so or not.

Do you?

So you put no blame on Harper for putting a completely partisan footnote on a mini-budget intending to bankrupt the opposition? Essentially trying to govern like a majority in a minority mandate?

I just can't see how you don't recognize how this all could have been avoided.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I think if they're going to take over government they should be held to a higher standard and release the details of not only their package, but how they plan to pay for it because right now, this sounds like they don't have a specific plan.

Oh they have a plan, it just doesn't have anything to do with Stimulus packages or anything like that. If it did they would have actual details worked out instead of "we're thinking about it and we have 4 wise men who'll tell us what to do." Which, after all is not different than what the Tories said. The same Tories that were so reprehensibly irresponsible to not include a Stimulus package in an update that they needed to be toppled.