Coalition Deal To Topple Minority Tory Govt- [Update Parliament Prorogued until Jan]

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Finner

You mean the GST cut the UK just instituted as well? Are you kidding me? We should be cutting it more.

While the GST may be an efficient tax, lowering it from 7 to 5 was a good idea. It makes things simpler, it aids perception and while its easy to tax consumption, the economy relies heavily on people consuming.

The only way I would advocate a rise in GST is if its in concert with an elimination of income taxes. Like the "Fair Tax" proposal in the US. Even that has its dark side.

[REDVAN]

Alright that's it- we should separate.

If we had King Ralph in power, you'd bet there'd be high hell in the media now about those eastern bums and creeps doing this. But now we have steady Eddie and not one peep. I know it's a federal matter, but I've had it with the east always getting their way. Time to show them we mean business in Alberta. Literally.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

"Liberals confirm that Stephane Dion will lead the new coalition."

Thoughts?

[Bertuzzied]

If Harper could not win a majority the last election against the weakest leader in Liberal history, he will never win a majority.

hmm wasn't Harper working with Bloc back in 2004? seems like I've seen this before.

[FanIn80]

This is absolutely ^%^%$#@#$#@@$% ######ed.

Maybe we'll get lucky and Bush will declare the Separatists as terrorists and bomb them for their maple syrup. One last hurrrah on the way out.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

"Liberals confirm that Stephane Dion will lead the new coalition."

Thoughts?

.......

[Slava]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Right, but when you really get down to it...

100% of the people that voted for CPC are in favour of CPC running the country.

x% of the people that voted for Liberals are in favour of a Liberal/Socialist/Separatist Coalition running the country.
x% of the people that voted for NDP are in favour of a Liberal/Socialist/Separatist Coalition running the country.
x% of the people that voted for Separatists are in favour of a Liberal/Socialist/Separatist Coalition running the country.

So...

(100% of 38%) vs (x% of 26%) + (x% of 18%) + (x% of 10%)

My guess is that "x" would be 50% for the Liberals, 75% for the NDP and 100% for the Separatists.

Which means...

38% vs 37% (13% + 14% + 10%)

Since nobody likes to have their votes not counted, lets take those lost percentages from the coalition members and add them to the only other party to vote for (CPC).

55% (13% + 4% + 0%) vs 37% (13% + 14% + 10%).

Oh look... a majority. Imagine that.

(I can use numbers to prove my point too.)

I have to confess that I don't get this at all. You might have to dumb it down for me a bit....I think that you are saying that more people support the Harper government than support a coalition though, is that right?

If that is your point than I just want to know how exactly you got the percentages for the support amongst the other parties? If your point is something else, than please try to explain it to me again as I don't get it.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

Alright that's it- we should separate.

If we had King Ralph in power, you'd bet there'd be high hell in the media now about those eastern bums and creeps doing this. But now we have steady Eddie and not one peep. I know it's a federal matter, but I've had it with the east always getting their way. Time to show them we mean business in Alberta. Literally.

Not Klein, Lougheed.

Alberta needs a leader who can shake a big stick, but actually understand why they are complaining and have strong logical arguments to back it up. Klein was good at raising hell, but not so good at backing it up, or maintaining it... look how quick he folded on Bill 11.

I'd be surprised if Ed could find Ottawa on a map.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

So - add up the raw numbers of the CPC and Liberals from last election and its clear that the majority of Canadians that went to the polls were looking for a CPC and Liberal coalition. They are the clear choice. How dare you go against the will of the majority and my flawless logic?

That's the way this works, right?

Wow, green text. Would never have been able to figure out that was sarcasm otherwise.

If the Conservatives had reached out to the Liberals in an effort to form a coalition government, yes, absolutely the election numbers indicate that this pairing would have a mandate from the electorate, and I'm pretty sure that such a coalition would have had pretty strong support from the Canadian people.

[ernie]

Where are the polls on this issue? How does the public feel about this coalition?

I'll tell you one thing the liberals better be doing their own polls and be damn sure about this is supported by their membership. Not just by the MPs but by the people who actually cast votes.

IN my view, this could serve to kill much of the center support base for the liberals.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by C_Rush

Ignatief supporting coalition and Dion as PM within that coalition (as per CTV Newsnet). So basically, six weeks after resoundingly rejecting the Liberal platform and Stephane Dion as PM, Canadian voters will have their opinion disregarded by a coalition with absolutely no mandate to govern. Welcome to the new democracy, Canada...

I find it somewhat ironic that someone with a Hammer and Sickle as their avatar would criticize democracy in Canada.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

If Harper could not win a majority the last election against the weakest leader in Liberal history, he will never win a majority.

hmm wasn't Harper working with Bloc back in 2004? seems like I've seen this before.

And before it was Harper with the Bloc it was Mulroney/Bouchard which created the BQ to begin with. Its very difficult to win a majority with Quebec...so naturally the party not in power gravitates there.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

"Liberals confirm that Stephane Dion will lead the new coalition."

Thoughts?

Dion is the reason I didn't vote Liberal for the first time in 15 years. I'll just leave it at that.

I don't know what the better option is, though. I guess this is one reason that I think this is politically a big mistake. In 30 months, if the economy is still in a shambles and the government is still in disarray, the Liberals will be the ones left holding a very smelly bag.

Layton I think gains either way.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by ernie

Where are the polls on this issue? How does the public feel about this coalition?

Would be interesting to know, that's for sure. In the U.S. there would be nine polls out already, but Canada just doesn't have as many pollsters or as much demand.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Would be interesting to know, that's for sure. In the U.S. there would be nine polls out already, but Canada just doesn't have as many pollsters or as much demand.

The best we have are very unscientific online polls at CTV and CBC. Right now, it appears the coalition would be rather unpopular, but have a Canadian majority of support (around 35-40%)

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Dion is the reason I didn't vote Liberal for the first time in 15 years. I'll just leave it at that.

I don't know what the better option is, though. I guess this is one reason that I think this is politically a big mistake. In 30 months, if the economy is still in a shambles and the government is still in disarray, the Liberals will be the ones left holding a very smelly bag.

Layton I think gains either way.

Layton has nothing to lose. Nowhere to go but up for the NDP.

[moon]

Originally Posted by driveway

Wow, green text. Would never have been able to figure out that was sarcasm otherwise.

If the Conservatives had reached out to the Liberals in an effort to form a coalition government, yes, absolutely the election numbers indicate that this pairing would have a mandate from the electorate, and I'm pretty sure that such a coalition would have had pretty strong support from the Canadian people.

So long as your pretty sure I guess we should all just take that as fact.

I voted for the Conservatives but would not be that pleased at all with a Liberal-Conservative coalition and would be 100% against a Consevative-NDP coalition.

Now that is just one vote but seeing the posts in this thread alone to your stupid post about voters supporting coalitions just because they support one of the parties I would say that there are many more people that would be like me.

The policies/actions of a Liberal party is totally different from one that is in a coalition with the NDP and Bloc so there is no way that you can just assume that a voter supports said coalition just because their party is involved.

[FanIn80]

I'd love to see a poll added to this thread.

1. Liberal/Socialist/Separatist Coalition
2. Election

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

The best we have are very unscientific online polls at CTV and CBC. Right now, it appears the coalition would be rather unpopular, but have a Canadian majority of support (around 35-40%)

Yeah, unfortunately online polls are worth about as much as the paper they're printed on.

EDIT: But a plurality of support wouldn't be surprising. Some portion of NDP voters and Liberal voters would, I assume, oppose it. But the parties are probably calculating that all will be forgiven in 30 months if they can govern effectively. A lot rests on that being possible, though. I'm pretty skeptical, TBQH.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

The best we have are very unscientific online polls at CTV and CBC. Right now, it appears the coalition would be rather unpopular, but have a Canadian majority of support (around 35-40%)

Haha, that's good.