U of C Abortion protests

[Kipper is King]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Are these protestors students?

Yes, as far as I know it's a student group.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Are these protestors students?

Anyways, I am pro-abortion................there are so many kids out there right now that dont get the care they need and we dont need anymore. Unless the pro-lifers want to take care of the kids??

I'd say a lot of people against abortion support the use of community and family organizations to support unwanted children. I know I do.

As for your first comment... is eugenics really the solution to our population problem?

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by fotze

Why don't the pro-choice side ever take a que and do the same thing. Have little re-enactments of the women ghetting clotheshangered in the middle of Mac Hall, make it Kill Bill bloody, over the top and funny. Hand out bloody looking shakes, abortion shooters. Have slutty girls wear shirts that say, "I'm easy cause I gots me this handy Coat Hanger", or "Abortions Tickle".

Agreed. Maybe some girls swinging from a rope after the shame of their pregnancy from their father is too much.
Or perhaps a picture of a bunch of pregnant women with Harper looming over them because the government owns their uterus now.
Maybe some redneck with an assult rifle. "keep yer hands off mah guns, but m'woman's womby is all yours governerments".
It would be a hoot.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by peter12

I'd say a lot of people against abortion support the use of community and family organizations to support unwanted children. I know I do.

As for your first comment... is eugenics really the solution to our population problem?

Word play is cute, don't forget you define human life at a different stage than I do and most pro choice advocates.

[Kipper is King]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

there are so many kids out there right now that dont get the care they need and we dont need anymore. Unless the pro-lifers want to take care of the kids??

Human beings "we don't need"? This is one of my central issues with abortion- human beings are invaluable, they are not an inconvenience or a burden! Human beings should not be thrown out like rotten carrots.

Hopefully, better social programs can be established to take care of the kids who need help. At least they are alive.

[simmer2]

Originally Posted by fotze

Why don't the pro-choice side ever take a que and do the same thing. Have little re-enactments of the women ghetting clotheshangered in the middle of Mac Hall, make it Kill Bill bloody, over the top and funny. Hand out bloody looking shakes, abortion shooters. Have slutty girls wear shirts that say, "I'm easy cause I gots me this handy Coat Hanger", or "Abortions Tickle".

Hahaha...that is some demented humour my friend. And it made me laugh very hard.

[Russic]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

The campus pro-life group is to pro-lifers as PETA is to vegetarians.

Very true. I understand both sides of the debate but I agree more with the pro-choice group. You can be both pro-life and not be a total ass-hat. Unfortunately groups like this give most pro-lifers a really bad name.

I see abortion as a necessary evil. I'd love to say that everybody who has an unwanted pregnancy should just give the child up for adoption, but unfortunately that just isn't how it works a lot of the time. While I find it disturbing that it's used as a method of birth control I do agree with it's use after an event such as a rape. I'm not sure I can have one without the other.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Thor

Word play is cute, don't forget you define human life at a different stage than I do and most pro choice advocates.

Select moral relativity is cute too.
When fertilization occurs and the male and female combine genetic material, they create something with an entirely unique genetic map for life. Something which has never been seen in human existence and something that will be seen again. Sure, they will share traits with their kin etc... but they still retain their own individuality, including the right to determine their own life path.

Why would you want to take that away from someone, especially when you have been able to partake of all the joys of life?

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by icarus

Abortion is one of those things that you're either willing to accept or not willing to accept and no one is going to change your mind. Anyone--whether on campus or online--who thinks he or she can change someone else's mind on the topic is delusional. So what's the point?

I guess I'm going to disagree with you on that point. Here's my take on this:

They aren't trying to make you or I "switch sides" from Pro-choice to Pro-Life; they are hoping that they message reaches people who are forced to make this choice and to sway those opinions.

I know as many of us who have had girlfriends who were "late" have had thoughts about abortion, and I know it is a stressful decision. Fortunatley I've never had to make it, but can you imagine being a girl who is 5 weeks "late" walking past that?

[Kipper is King]

If someone killed a one-year old, everybody would be up in arms. You would hear talk of how "the poor baby was defenseless".

Why doesn't that extend to a child in the womb?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by peter12

Select moral relativity is cute too.
When fertilization occurs and the male and female combine genetic material, they create something with an entirely unique genetic map for life. Something which has never been seen in human existence and something that will be seen again. Sure, they will share traits with their kin etc... but they still retain their own individuality, including the right to determine their own life path.

Why would you want to take that away from someone, especially when you have been able to partake of all the joys of life?

What if they turn out to be hippies and play the bongo?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

What if they turn out to be hippies and play the bongo?

Hahaha, then off to Planned Parenthood, we go.

No, but seriously... bongo players aren't that bad. Being alive to play the bongos is better than being dumped into a stainless steel tray and taken off to the incinerator.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by peter12

I'd say a lot of people against abortion support the use of community and family organizations to support unwanted children. I know I do.

As for your first comment... is eugenics really the solution to our population problem?

Yeah well you can support it all you want, but these organizations are already full to the brim. I guess we could all pay more taxes to build more facilities............

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Kipper is King

If someone killed a one-year old, everybody would be up in arms. You would hear talk of how "the poor baby was defenseless".

Why doesn't that extend to a child in the womb?

Well I dont think of a child in the womb as a concious being, which it isn't in the early stages.

[Kipper is King]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I guess we could all pay more taxes to build more facilities............

I would. It beats killing people.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by ken0042

They aren't trying to make you or I "switch sides" from Pro-choice to Pro-Life; they are hoping that they message reaches people who are forced to make this choice and to sway those opinions.

They are casting a pretty wide net if that's the strategy. And besides, university students are notoriously chaste, and very few, if any, have sex.

At least that's what they told me.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by peter12

but they still retain their own individuality, including the right to determine their own life path.

Am I correct in assuming that given the above statement that you support the concept of euthanisia?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Well I dont think of a child in the womb as a concious being, which it isn't in the early stages.

So should we extend this way of thinking to the mentally handicapped or chronically ill?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Am I correct in assuming that given the above statement that you support the concept of euthanisia?

Do I support state-condoned suicide? Not sure on that one, yet. Still have to work it through in my mind. I do know there is evidence to suggest that many people who request euthanasia are suffering from clinical depression.

[evman150]

Belief in a woman`s right to choose is directly correlated with intelligence (speak up if you doubt this, I have nothing to back it up).

This constitutes a prima facie case for being pro-choice.

Never seen an anti-abortion demonstration in my five years at UVic. People would just laugh at them. Just did a google search, and the pro-life group at UVic can`t even get funding LOL.

http://martlet.ca/article/5646-still...g-for-pro-life

“[Youth Protecting Youth] spread misinformation ... and try to instill fear and shame into women,” said Moreno, who took particular issue with YPY telling students about an illness called “post-abortion syndrome,” which has been discredited by medical doctors and psychiatrists. “This kind of thing is harmful to every woman on this campus.”