Epid ends in suicide

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I agree, it will be interesting to see what happens to the site (and the offending members) legally.

What they did was disgusting. And someone, SOMEONE should have tried to help.

legally I dont think they did anything wrong, from what I read this guy posted that he had taken a bunch of pills and told people to watch. The report makes it sound like they talked him into it or goaded him on but the posts sound much more like all the replies were after the fact.

As for helping him dont know what could realistically be done over the internet. Call the cops and say some guy by the name of CandyJunkie located somewhere in the US is trying to commit suicide?

Its sad and people are jerks but I knew that.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Dion

No it's not a desicion.

"Suicide is not a matter of choice. The profound
depression that motivates most suicides is a disease.
This disease causes a level of pain so profound that
it twists one’s ability to assess risk, to make good
choices, to maintain a sense of future possibilities.
When people act out of this depression, they are not
exercising free choice. They are falling victim to a
disease. This disease is not about logic or self
interest. It is about an immediate desire to be dead."

Everything you do is a choice.

Yes there is pre disposition. Yes there are chemicals that can pull you.

But with so many people struggling, I can't feel bad for someone who makes the decision they can't struggle anymore.

And yes, I've been there.

I never would have wanted anyone to feel bad for me. To say, what could we have done? It wasn't attention, it was just an end to the pain.

If this is a disease, so is alcoholism. (which it's not)

Yeah you're (not you, the proverbial you) predisposed. But you still know you're options. In the terms of alcoholism, you know right from wrong and when you put others in danger.

Western society makes death a bad thing, and so it makes suicide a very bad thing.

It has been used in cultures since the beginnings of time.

What is special about 'life', is that it struggles, it finds a way to be. If this portion of life decides it doesn't want to do that, it's probably right.

And again, I'm not saying this is a bad thing or sad thing. It's a decision that I respect.

Depression is a terrible condition. But it's not a disease.

There are still options within it.

Cancer patients, do not have options.

I was born with a serious heart condition (along with being diagnosed with depression, so yeah, I know the difference) and I remember all the sick heart kids and sick cancer kids who had NO choice. Less of a battle than those with depression.

So sorry. I've lived it. Both sides. And I don't buy it.

[Flash]

As difficult as it may be to help someone over the internet, I've done it. All it takes is one kind person to extend their hand, so to speak. If someone knows that at least ONE person out there cares what happens to them, it can do wonders. Those idiots on that forum were so cruel, calling his phone and leaving him messages that said, "do it ***got"...if one nice person had messaged him or said something nice it might have made a difference, but now we'll never know.

[Phanuthier]

Meh I think you can argue night and day if this is a disease or not (I don't think it is, personally) and if you don't want to have sympathy for them, your choice. Whatever.

But... to say "Go get help, its that easy" - no, no its not. Its tough, you can overcome depression, but its not "that easy" to ask for help. That is a stupid comment.

[Swarly]

is it true they actually called his phone leaving messages or is this just talk from the many trolls on that forum? any police or media reports confirming this?

[Daradon]

I'm not saying that these people don't need help and don't deserve help. I'm not saying we shouldn't help our fellow neighbours.

And I'm definitely not saying depression is easy, or those with it are 'wusses'.

I do think it's a very serious condition.

But, ultimately. You're own life is in your own hands. To say otherwise is irresponsible.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I'm not saying that these people don't need help and don't deserve help. I'm not saying we shouldn't help our fellow neighbours.

And I'm definitely not saying depression is easy, or those with it are 'wusses'.

I do think it's a very serious condition.

But, ultimately. You're own life is in your own hands. To say otherwise is irresponsible.

(I have no problem with your post if you are wondering - agreed, you are responsible for your own actions. My response is to Dartem, who said 'go ask for help, its that easy' which is a stupid comment.)

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Meh I think you can argue night and day if this is a disease or not (I don't think it is, personally) and if you don't want to have sympathy for them, your choice. Whatever.

But... to say "Go get help, its that easy" - no, no its not. Its tough, you can overcome depression, but its not "that easy" to ask for help. That is a stupid comment.

Agree, I never said that. I wasn't sticking up for the guy who did. I was sticking up for FG cause I think I know how he feels.

I would help all of these people if I could, and I have helped many. I've gotten two people off their meds. I approach everyone I know with the utmost compasion when dealing with that.

All I'm saying is, the final choice and responsibility is with the individual. And I can't mourn the decision they make.

[Flash]

Originally Posted by Swarly

is it true they actually called his phone leaving messages or is this just talk from the many trolls on that forum? any police or media reports confirming this?

I'm not sure...I'm going by what Stang posted from what he read in the forum. He read nearly every page...by the time he posted, I was able to read the first page, but wasn't able to read further than that.

I've searched for info regarding this whole thing but there's very little available other than what Stang has posted. I found the guy's myspace page but can't really navigate it to find out if his family or friends have posted anything.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

(I have no problem with your post if you are wondering - agreed, you are responsible for your own actions. My response is to Dartem, who said 'go ask for help, its that easy' which is a stupid comment.)

I thought so, just clarifying for anyone out there.

EDIT: And I wanted to back up FG before people started on him, as I think his perspective is one I understand.

[Prototype]

I hate to derail this thread a bit, due to the serious nature of the topic, but what does 'epid' stand for? I've never heard this term, and now... there's two threads on CP using the term 'epid'.

Sorry if this had been brought up before.

[Flash]

I think it was meant to say "epic" in the first thread started by Stang with the pictures of the girl and the car..from that, I think he just carried the "epid" theme to this thread because they came from the same body builders forum. I could be wrong though.

[Dan02]

that forum is some serious jed up forum, now they are having a porno thread as a memoriam

[Clarkey]

How come no one has commented on my point that there have been people on this website that get repeatedly picked on by grown adults?

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

How come no one has commented on my point that there have been people on this website that get repeatedly picked on by grown adults?

want to provide any more info then that, cause i don't really see it though i might be oblivious.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Dion

I'm a suicide surviour and have been down that road.

Thank you for sharing this. Suicide has such stigma attached to it; it is a difficult subject for most.

My daughter is a survivor as well.
I was the one who found her "just in time"; but only because a friend cared enough to realize something was up, got involved and alerted me.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Everything you do is a choice.

Yes there is pre disposition. Yes there are chemicals that can pull you.

But with so many people struggling, I can't feel bad for someone who makes the decision they can't struggle anymore.

And yes, I've been there.

I never would have wanted anyone to feel bad for me. To say, what could we have done? It wasn't attention, it was just an end to the pain.

If this is a disease, so is alcoholism. (which it's not)

Yeah you're (not you, the proverbial you) predisposed. But you still know you're options. In the terms of alcoholism, you know right from wrong and when you put others in danger.

Western society makes death a bad thing, and so it makes suicide a very bad thing.

It has been used in cultures since the beginnings of time.

What is special about 'life', is that it struggles, it finds a way to be. If this portion of life decides it doesn't want to do that, it's probably right.

And again, I'm not saying this is a bad thing or sad thing. It's a decision that I respect.

Depression is a terrible condition. But it's not a disease.

There are still options within it.

Cancer patients, do not have options.

I was born with a serious heart condition (along with being diagnosed with depression, so yeah, I know the difference) and I remember all the sick heart kids and sick cancer kids who had NO choice. Less of a battle than those with depression.

So sorry. I've lived it. Both sides. And I don't buy it.

Unless you have been to the brink of suicide where the only thing that saved me was the lack of enough pills in the bottle, you will never understand.

It was not my choice to end my life - period!

My sense of logic was gone by that time. The incredible emotional pain i was feeling was so strong that i wasn't thinking straight. I needed outside intervention but never got it as no one heard or took serious my cries for help seriously. The pain became all encompassing that i saw no solutions or a way out of that pain.

Death became the solution as that was the only thought that took away the emotional pain. After i swallowed those pills i felt such a wonderful sense of peace - one that i've never felt before - as i knew it would soon be over. Rational minded people don't do this!

Later after getting medical and psychological treatment i was horrified at just how close i came to ending my life. I live with that painful memory everyday!

So please don't tell me it was a choice!

I love life and want to live as long as possible!

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Prototype

I hate to derail this thread a bit, due to the serious nature of the topic, but what does 'epid' stand for? I've never heard this term, and now... there's two threads on CP using the term 'epid'.

Sorry if this had been brought up before.

The first thread here, about the BB thread which turned into the thread in question was EPIC.

But (Stang I think?) misspelled and made it EPID THREAD!!!

And was deservingly PWNED.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Dion

Unless you have been to the brink of suicide where the only thing that saved me was the lack of enough pills in the bottle, you will never understand.

It was not my choice to end my life - period!

My sense of logic was gone by that time. The incredible emotional pain i was feeling was so strong that i wasn't thinking straight. I needed outside intervention but never got it as no one heard or took serious my cries for help seriously. The pain became all encompassing that i saw no solutions or a way out of that pain.

Death became the solution as that was the only thought that took away the emotional pain. After i swallowed those pills i felt such a wonderful sense of peace - one that i've never felt before - as i knew it would soon be over. Rational minded people don't do this!

Later after get medical and psychological treatment i was horrified at just how close i came to ending my life. I live with that painful memory everyday!

So please don't tell me it was a choice!

Your talk puts you outside of control.

Like AA says 'this problem is out of my control'. 'I cannot help myself I must completely stay away'.

I do know. I was at the brink, and yeah, I had no logic. I will agree with that.

My own emotion pulled me out. Not my logic.

If you want to look at it that way, that's fine with me.

There is no reason to get defensive because I've said right from the start two things.

1. People with depression should be understood and should be helped. It's a serious problem.

2. It's not a bad thing.

You're defensive cause you see that end as a bad thing. I do not. I see it as a decision which is up to the individual or a mistake up to the individual.

If I knew you in your moment of need, you can bet I would have done everything I could to help you and make sure you weren't alone.

However if you did commit suicide, I would have said at your funeral. This was Dion, he was my friend. He was a great person and I will miss him. But I respect what he did.



If you want to tell me that something outside of yourself saved you, than I have to ask, what was it? Because ultimately, even if one is 'foiled', they find a way.

So if you didn't save yourself in some way, what did?

[Daradon]

Errr suicide (because death is not) is not a bad thing. Depression obviously is.