I had a client that slept with identical twins. So, the DNA tests were useless in determining paternity. She could only tell them apart because one brother had a dragon tattoo on his thigh. The court room was in stitches, I can tell you.
I remember in genetics class, we were discussing alleles for eye colour and how brown is a dominant allele over the blue/green/hazel allele. That means that if both your parents have blue or green eyes, there is no way they can also be carrying an allele for brown eyes - otherwise that would be the characteristic they displayed. Of course, this also means that 2 people with blue eyes cannot have a child with brown eyes.
There were a few people in the class protesting this with the prof because they themselves have brown eyes while their parents have blue or green eyes. Later that semester, I had a beer with the prof and she said how every year it's the same story.
Moral of the story... only cheat with people who have similar eye colours with your spouse.
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I remember in genetics class, we were discussing alleles for eye colour and how brown is a dominant allele over the blue/green/hazel allele. That means that if both your parents have blue or green eyes, there is no way they can also be carrying an allele for brown eyes - otherwise that would be the characteristic they displayed. Of course, this also means that 2 people with blue eyes cannot have a child with brown eyes.
There were a few people in the class protesting this with the prof because they themselves have brown eyes while their parents have blue or green eyes. Later that semester, I had a beer with the prof and she said how every year it's the same story.
Moral of the story... only cheat with people who have similar eye colours with your spouse.
This also happens when people learn about the genetics of blood type. You can't be O if one of your parents is AB for instance. Granted, eye colour a lot more easy to tell, since you may not always know your parent's blood type
I think it's about time something like this was put into place. Far to many women lie to men just because they know they'll do the right thing and pay for the kid. And it's bull that the woman doesn't have to pay it back at the same rate it was given to her...$12.70/fortnight?? That's ridiculous.
a fortnight is 2 weeks, is that what you mean?? cuz that means less than a buck a day
Is it possible for two brown eyed people to have a child with blue eyes? Both of these people have one parent with blue eyes,and one parent with brown eyes.
I love it when special interest groups pervert their message like this.
So, really, forcing people who committed FRAUD to payback their ill-gotten gains is a bad thing because the fraudsters are women. These hypocritical women's groups need to learn that a woman is not always innocent just because she is a woman. As for any hardships suffered by the kids as a result, guess who's to blame? Mom.
No kidding. Hardship to the guy over the course of years is nothing. Making the woman go through it is unthinkable.
Money gained by fraudulent means needs to be repaid. If the child is going to unduly suffer, take them away from the mother and find someone to care for them properly.
I'm not crazy about that mandatory paternity test idea. Think about the numbers for a second, and the consequences. For example in Finland (pop 5,2 mil) there's about 60 000 children born every year. Let's say that 10% is about the right number for cases where the "assumed" father (the long term romantical partner) is not the actual biological father. With extreme luck about half of those relationships would survive those news. That would still leave create about 3000 "new" broken families every year. Assuming the fertility rates in Canada is something similar, that would mean about 18,000 cases in Canada, per year. Some of those kids would not be firstborns, so you'd have an additional 20,000+ kids every year who would grow up in broken families.
Of course those numbers are really rough guesses, but I think the point is clear.
It's better to have a family with two parents, even if one of them is not your biological parent. Mandatory tests would just bring unnecessary pains for everyone.
Besides, I for one would rather think that my kid _could_ be mine than be confirmed it's not. I would propably not get a test. Biology isn't everything.
(That doesn't mean it's okay to lie to someone just for the money. That's just fraud.)
I would bet a lot of these women truly believe that the person they are saying the father is the father. They have lied to themselves for so long that it has become the truth. Not that it excues the action but if you had a long term realtionship with someone and a one night stand you are going to assume it is the long term relationship.
So I bet some of the women are truly shocked when the DNA comes back negative and others are scum intentionally defrauding men but there is probably range of intent amoungst the women and therefore should be a range of penalties from criminal to simple repayment.
I'm not crazy about that mandatory paternity test idea. Think about the numbers for a second, and the consequences. For example in Finland (pop 5,2 mil) there's about 60 000 children born every year. Let's say that 10% is about the right number for cases where the "assumed" father (the long term romantical partner) is not the actual biological father. With extreme luck about half of those relationships would survive those news. That would still leave create about 3000 "new" broken families every year. Assuming the fertility rates in Canada is something similar, that would mean about 18,000 cases in Canada, per year. Some of those kids would not be firstborns, so you'd have an additional 20,000+ kids every year who would grow up in broken families.
Of course those numbers are really rough guesses, but I think the point is clear.
It's better to have a family with two parents, even if one of them is not your biological parent. Mandatory tests would just bring unnecessary pains for everyone.
Besides, I for one would rather think that my kid _could_ be mine than be confirmed it's not. I would propably not get a test. Biology isn't everything.
(That doesn't mean it's okay to lie to someone just for the money. That's just fraud.)
I disagree here. If women knew that paternity tests were mandatory, common sense would tell me that they would conduct themselves in a more honest way from the beginning.
I disagree here. If women knew that paternity tests were mandatory, common sense would tell me that they would conduct themselves in a more honest way from the beginning.
People would still cheat on there spouses even if they knew there would be paternity tests. No one believes that they are going to get pregnant while they are cheating.
I disagree here. If women knew that paternity tests were mandatory, common sense would tell me that they would conduct themselves in a more honest way from the beginning.
Yeah right! It's not like this is a planned thing on the part of most women BEFORE they cheat. The reason why people cheat in the first place defies logical pre-thought. Most of the time they're just horny and it happens. The aftermath event of a child brings out the more sinister schemes. If tests were manditory then I would anticipate abortion rates to go even higher than they are now.
I'm not crazy about that mandatory paternity test idea. Think about the numbers for a second, and the consequences. For example in Finland (pop 5,2 mil) there's about 60 000 children born every year. Let's say that 10% is about the right number for cases where the "assumed" father (the long term romantical partner) is not the actual biological father. With extreme luck about half of those relationships would survive those news. That would still leave create about 3000 "new" broken families every year. Assuming the fertility rates in Canada is something similar, that would mean about 18,000 cases in Canada, per year. Some of those kids would not be firstborns, so you'd have an additional 20,000+ kids every year who would grow up in broken families.
Of course those numbers are really rough guesses, but I think the point is clear.
It's better to have a family with two parents, even if one of them is not your biological parent. Mandatory tests would just bring unnecessary pains for everyone.
Besides, I for one would rather think that my kid _could_ be mine than be confirmed it's not. I would propably not get a test. Biology isn't everything.
(That doesn't mean it's okay to lie to someone just for the money. That's just fraud.)
I would tend to say that the cheating would bring the unnecessary pain not so much the tests.
I think that there should be better reasons to not have paternity tests than it might reveal there are a lot more skanks in the world than we previously thought.
Sure growing up in broken homes isn't ideal but having that home broken up when you are say 5-10 when the cheating or other cheating is revealed in other ways isn't great either.
With all the new knowledge coming out about ways to treat diseases and often needing biological family members as matches to help with that treatment I don't think it would be a terrible thing to have paternity tests on all kids.
It certainly isn't the most PC thing, as I am sure that many women would be "insulted" that someone questions who the father is but if it can be helpful in any way to provide future care to your child then I say it is worth it.
I would tend to say that the cheating would bring the unnecessary pain not so much the tests.
What you don't know doesn't hurt you. So it's the combination of the cheating and knowing that causes the real trouble.
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I think that there should be better reasons to not have paternity tests than it might reveal there are a lot more skanks in the world than we previously thought.
Assuming you're for a free society, it's the other way around; you need to have a really good reason to force things on people. I don't really see much given.
Thousands of families each year would be hurt. Thousands of kids would not have a father to grow up with, because the mothers partner left and the biological father isn't a potential longterm partner. Sure, in many cases the truth will come out eventually anyway, but I'm pretty sure it's better to have some kind of a father for some years than no father at all, and in most cases I'm pretty sure the truth simply never comes out. Unless you have some proof that the opposite is true, there's no reason to come up with new limits on personal liberty. When in doubt, don't come up with new rules.
So lying to some guy, ruining his life is okay? maybe if hes lucky its only a few years before he finds out the kid isnt his and his wife is cheating on him?
What you don't know doesn't hurt you. So it's the combination of the cheating and knowing that causes the real trouble.
I disagree with that. The cheating certainly can still hurt you in many indirect ways whether you know about it or not.
I would say that learning about it later after having raised a kid for many years would be much more devasting than learning about it prior to the birth.
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Assuming you're for a free society, it's the other way around; you need to have a really good reason to force things on people. I don't really see much given.
I don't what exactly is being forced on people. It isn't as though it is an invasive procedure. It has many positives and really the only negative is for those people who want to potentially decieve someone else that they are the father of a child.
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Thousands of families each year would be hurt. Thousands of kids would not have a father to grow up with, because the mothers partner left and the biological father isn't a potential longterm partner. Sure, in many cases the truth will come out eventually anyway, but I'm pretty sure it's better to have some kind of a father for some years than no father at all, and in most cases I'm pretty sure the truth simply never comes out. Unless you have some proof that the opposite is true, there's no reason to come up with new limits on personal liberty. When in doubt, don't come up with new rules.
I think that the pain of finding out that your kid/father who you have known all their/your life is not really yours biologically would be a pretty tough blow as well.
Sure some guys would leave and some of those biological fathers would be deadbeats but I am not sure that is a solid reason to continue to deceive people and in some cases commit fraud against people.
Seems like it is a pretty tough penalty that fathers are going to have to pay in order to keep the sexual secrets of some mothers safe.
Personally I would say that it is more important to ensure that people are not being defrauded or lied to than it is to protect the sluttiness of some women. Afterall it isn't the man who erred so why should he be punished while the person who cheated/lied is being protected?
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Perhaps people can opt to not receive the results and just have them on file with the child incase their is medical reasons or they are interested in the future.
Although I see that as a potential huge problem as who wants to be the guy that tells his wife he would like to know for sure. Not to sure I know many chicks that wouldn't flip out over the perceived lack of trust, especially the ones that would know it could say something other than the dude they claim is the father.
You are the daughter of Ralph, some guy your mom met in the bar one night, but you think that you are the daughter of Bob, your mom's husband. Neither your mom nor Bob have any family history of anything - so you think you are A-OK. But Ralph has a family history of all sorts of genetic diseases and predispositions that are treatable if looked after properly. But you don't know this. So you do not do anything and bingo bango you drop dead due to Mom's deception....that is the scenario I would be worried about.
