CP Hall of Shame (or fame?)

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

You had a player get ejected from the league for the remainder of the season due to abuse of an official during which time he (according to you) forced the official to the boards and began swearing at him.

Sorry but I used to be a ref and it is because of people like you that I don't do it anymore...

I never once condoned that action (or even brought that player's actions up, for that matter).

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Jayems

I never once condoned that action (or even brought that player's actions up, for that matter).

Sorry that was a different member of the team, but the point still remains that there was a possibility alcohol played a part in this incident - which would at least in my opinion qualify as dangerous. Getting 35 games should be seen as a light sentence and the other players on your team likely get a harsher sentence as a result of the idiocy of some players.

[moon]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Sorry I don't see it. Showing up drunk to a game is lame and dangerous. And I would wager if you talked to the other team i bet not everyone was thrilled with the situation.

Dangerous seems to be a bit of an overreaction and would depend on how "drunk" said person was.

I think that if people on the other team weren't thrilled about it they really should look at taking rec hockey a little less seriously.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by moon

Dangerous seems to be a bit of an overreaction and would depend on how "drunk" said person was.

I think that if people on the other team weren't thrilled about it they really should look at taking rec hockey a little less seriously.

People playing a sport with what can essentially amount to clubs while intoxicated.

Hell at least one guy was getting aggressive enough to get called for abuse of official, so maybe dangerous is the right word to describe your teams behaviours.

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Sorry that was a different member of the team, but the point still remains that there was a possibility alcohol played a part in this incident - which would at least in my opinion qualify as dangerous. Getting 35 games should be seen as a light sentence and the other players on your team likely get a harsher sentence as a result of the idiocy of some players.

Well, that specific incident (#77 & the ref) I didn't actually see (or hear about until after the game) but he was sober too (so I'm told). Just a hot head, I guess. And I wouldn't ever say the actions he's accused of would ever be appropriate.

Either way, I'm not arguing that the alcohol didn't play a part, I'm just having a hard time getting my point across.

I believe that because there was a few guys drunk, the ref decided that we didn't deserve a link of communication between us and him. Now, whether you believe that is acceptable or not because we fielded "drunk" players is open to interpretation, but what I'm saying is that because he decided not to open that door of communication, it made a few guys pretty angry. Now, putting a ref against the glass is in no way an acceptable course of action (whether he did that or not, again, I didn't see it). But the ref continued to compound the issue by refusing to speak to anyone, including As and the C and give an explanation. Now, in hindsight, this may be because of #77s actions, but again, I had no idea at the time. He just refused to speak.

[Prototype]

Jayems,

Please understand that I'm not trying to be a hockey-nazi when I post this. This is my opinion, and I hope you take it for what it's worth.

I considered trying to join this team, purchase the jerseys, socks, etc. I would love to be on an 'organized' team again, rather than the usual Saturday pickup game, which I haven't been able to do since my son was born in January... Some things are more important.

Having said that, if I had the financial means to afford the icetime, and the uniforms, the last thing I would want to do is waste that time getting drunk ahead of the game. I would be paying that money to play on a compeditive team, but above all else, to have fun.

Now, if that's the team's idea of having fun, fair enough. If I paid that much money to sit on the other bench watching people make asses of themselves, I would have laughed to start, but if a game is called, and I'm basically paying for ice time for people to ruin the experience for me, I'm not happy.

The tone, being a text based information area, in this thread makes it sound very ho hum. There's a lot of jokes here, which I can understand on a board who's motto is "Hookers and blow". But when it comes to wasted money, abuse of officials, suspensions, etc, I would hope that a team that technically represents the board takes what happend, and the penalities seriously.

I enjoy a drink after a game, and might have had one or two when playing other sports, so I can't fault you for drinking. But as Jiri said, you're putting more than just yourself in danger when you get on the ice drunk.

I'm somewhat disapointed in reading this thread, the event, and how it's being handled. Hall of fame worthy? Really? I'm shaking my head.

I hope you guys enjoy the rest of the season. I hope you understand that you're in a position that I cannot be, and when I hear you're dinking around with it, it pisses me off. But, you don't owe me anything. You don't know me, and who cares what I have to say...

I just hope you understand that your teams actions don't sit well with everyone, and I hope that you take this a little more seriously than you have.

Now, can someone help me off my soap box?

[Jayems]

Proto:

No, I concur for the most part. I take this very seriously.

This is the only time this has happened. We're in a division where we're getting our ass kicked on a continual basis. This game was probably already a write off before we started, sober or not. We decided to go out for drinks before the game to hang out as a team and play some hockey. There was no intentions to abuse officials etc. We were likely not able to field a team on Halloween night if we didn't do a group thing, so it sounded fun. Unfortunately, it got a little out of hand. But as for spending the money and ice time etc, this is the only game I've ever had that has been canceled early (except for the lame-o NCHL 9 penalty rule). I look forward to playing hockey every week with great anticipation, as I know the rest of the team does. I think this was just a stain on the team because I don't think this was the result we wanted. It was talked about before the game, but realistically, we just thought we'd get beat like we always do, have a fun time and go home.

Edit for clarification:

[Having a few drinks] was talked about before the game, but realistically, we just thought we'd get beat like we always do, have a fun time and go home.

The way I worded it kind of sounded like we had planned to cause shenanigans.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

People playing a sport with what can essentially amount to clubs while intoxicated.

Hell at least one guy was getting aggressive enough to get called for abuse of official, so maybe dangerous is the right word to describe your teams behaviours.

My teams???? I don't play on the team or have even met one of the guys on it. I assume that jayems and flameswin are on the team based on their posts but beyond that I have no connection to the team at all.

Abuse of the officials happens with or without alcohol and it appears that Jayems now says that he wasn't drunk.

I don't think that every team should go out and get drunk before every game but in this case it seems people are really getting worked up about nothing.

Perhaps it is me but isn't the point of these teams/games for people to go out and have fun? It seems that everyone did go out and have fun and that a few things happen that happen at rec hockey whether people are drunk or not.

I'll let the guys who were there defend themselves from now on (although they really have nothing that they should have to defend) as I wasn't there and they seem to be doing a fine job of it.

Anyways they had fun, thats what it should be about so I wish them luck in the season and hope that this thread doesn't stop them from having fun with the team in the future.

I would have loved to have joined had I lived in Calgary and this event does nothing to sway me one way or the other as to whether I would have still been interested. (Okay maybe it would make me want to join more as at least it appears these guys like to have fun rather than are trying to make the NHL as a 30 year old beer league player that is way too common nowadays.)

[Dion]

Maybe a vote to see what members think of the whole thing.

[Jayems]

Sorry proto, I had missed the representing the site part of your post and was actually making a new post to touch on that issue:

My other concern is a negative image on the website, since we technically are the Calgary Puckers. If that's the case, well, I humbly apologize for the team and to the site.

But I still stand that the actions that caused the game to be canceled were conducted by sober players and could of happened in any other game (and that I don't condone the actions, but blaming it on alcohol is simply not the case).

* I am to assume these players were sober as they drove to the rink and that they didn't partake in the pre-game drinking and I have been told they were sober.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Prototype

Now, can someone help me off my soap box?

There's plenty of people already up there with that I am sure cn give you a hand.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Prototype

The tone, being a text based information area, in this thread makes it sound very ho hum. There's a lot of jokes here, which I can understand on a board who's motto is "Hookers and blow". But when it comes to wasted money, abuse of officials, suspensions, etc, I would hope that a team that technically represents the board takes what happend, and the penalities seriously.

FWIW,

None of the board members were involved in the shenanigans involving suspensions and despite being on the team, I'm not going to say I endorse what happened in that game.

That being said, what they did is in the past and its not really my concern. Surely we lost a few good team players because of the suspensions but they made their own decisions and they will live with the consequences. I take the penalties seriously but its not my problem.

Don't presume that myself and other members that post regularly planned to go out and goon it up.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by moon

Dangerous seems to be a bit of an overreaction and would depend on how "drunk" said person was.
.

I think hockey is a sport where players have more ability to hurt each other than other sports, particularly when someone is not fully in control of their body and/or stick.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by jar_e

FWIW,

None of the board members were involved in the shenanigans involving suspensions and despite being on the team, I'm not going to say I endorse what happened in that game.

That being said, what they did is in the past and its not really my concern. Surely we lost a few good team players because of the suspensions but they made their own decisions and they will live with the consequences. I take the penalties seriously but its not my problem.

Don't presume that myself and other members that post regularly planned to go out and goon it up.

Exactly, when we were predrinking the mood was good, we were laughing and joking about how much effort we put into the evening. It's not like we were sitting at the pub going "man let's do some really stupid s*** tonight and make ourselves look like complete asses, and get multiple suspensions"

Honestly, I personally play drunk quite often and I don't feel like I'm a danger to myself or to others. In fact, it's the opposite, when I play sober, I have a bit of a temper with bad calls and cheap opposing players, whereas when I have 6 or 7 beers, I lose my temper and just have fun with it. In this specific game, had I been sober, I would have lost it when the ref called the game (not to mention the other brutal calls), but because I was hammered, i just laughed it off and asked the opposing captain if his team wanted to play shinny with us.

I'll vouch for all the CP'ers on the team that none of us were responsible for any suspensions or anything bad that happened (except when hurt my back falling onto the c-train tracks, but that was my bad)

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I think hockey is a sport where players have more ability to hurt each other than other sports, particularly when someone is not fully in control of their body and/or stick.

True, but it is rec hockey, so it's not like there's contact allowed or anything.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by flameswin

True, but it is rec hockey, so it's not like there's contact allowed or anything.

Wasn't worried about intentional contact - more worried about guys not in full control of their bodies/sticks/skates.

[jayswin]

I considered trying to join this team, purchase the jerseys, socks, etc. I would love to be on an 'organized' team again, rather than the usual Saturday pickup game, which I haven't been able to do since my son was born in January... Some things are more important.

Having said that, if I had the financial means to afford the icetime, and the uniforms, the last thing I would want to do is waste that time getting drunk ahead of the game. I would be paying that money to play on a compeditive team, but above all else, to have fun.

Now, if that's the team's idea of having fun, fair enough. If I paid that much money to sit on the other bench watching people make asses of themselves, I would have laughed to start, but if a game is called, and I'm basically paying for ice time for people to ruin the experience for me, I'm not happy.


I would agree with your post if this happeneed all the time, but one thing some posters are missing is the fact that this was an 11:15pm start on Halloween night in a town outside of Calgary. Our team had already agreed that if we didn't turn it into an event, then we wouldn't have been able to field a team, and the game would have been cancelled anyways. It was one game.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Wasn't worried about intentional contact - more worried about guys not in full control of their bodies/sticks/skates.

We're a div 6 team, we're not really in control of our bodies/sticks/skates when we're sober....



*Sorry, not trying to take away from your point.

[jayswin]

The tone, being a text based information area, in this thread makes it sound very ho hum. There's a lot of jokes here, which I can understand on a board who's motto is "Hookers and blow". But when it comes to wasted money, abuse of officials, suspensions, etc, I would hope that a team that technically represents the board takes what happend, and the penalities seriously.



That's exactly it, this is a messege board that we use as a fun site to pass time at work/home or wherever. Of coarse there was serious talk about what happened, and of coarse guys like me Jayems and Jar_E don't want any negative attention brought to this board. But in the end, it's a messege board where we joke about hockey and other off topic stuff, so you're not going to see the more serious side of things like this drunken night brought up.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by Prototype

I enjoy a drink after a game, and might have had one or two when playing other sports, so I can't fault you for drinking. But as Jiri said, you're putting more than just yourself in danger when you get on the ice drunk.

No offense but this part reads like an after-school special. Don't take Division 7 mens recreation hockey too seriously, it's strictly beer league hockey. It's all about getting out of the house, having some beers with the boys and playing some semi-organized (more often then not, unorganized) hockey. Sure getting completely 'faced' and then trying to skate around isn't a great idea but, like was stated earlier, this was a friday night, halloween night game at 11:30 out of town. Meaning, I don't think these guys are getting sauced every game, few beers sure, but not smashed. I used to play in Morley and Gleichen and you'd be damn lucky if you had a ref show up that wasn't completely sauced.

Other league's you'd be lucky to have another team show up for these late night out of town ice times. The other team was probably happy to get a win and have a goalie to shoot on.

They did the deed, now they are paying the price. I really don't think they need a lecture.

I don't mean to slam you or anything Prototype, but I've played on a few teams where guys are yelling at the refs, bitching about their ice time, and generally taking things way too seriously and it's not fun for anyone. Not implying that I think you would be like that, just saying that I much prefer playing with guys who treat it like a fun game and not like a mini-tryout for team canada.