10-17-2008, 01:49 PM
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#61
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In Your MCP
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Watching Hot Dog Hans
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Originally Posted by BOSSY
Point being, people have no right to fight them. Because it's against the law and just plain stupid.
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Isn't that what I just said????
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10-17-2008, 01:51 PM
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#62
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos
I can understand why he went after the guy, but the cop didn't exactly do himself any favours with that reaction. First of all, he just lets the other guy go, and then a few seconds later the cop is on his back with the guy he's gone after and about 4 other people on top of him.
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I would think that the cop was trying to "wrap up" the other guy, not knowing if he had his gun or whatnot. The first bad guy was passed off to the other cops.
Bad idea to touch, or even try to talk to, a cop in arrest mode. Let them sort it out and there will be time for talking later. I have never seen a cop release someone because their drunk friend said "hey let him go".
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10-17-2008, 01:53 PM
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#63
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: back in the 403
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I can't decide who got it worse that day. Those two fans, or the Riders themselves.
Totally justified what the cop did. I really dont think the guy was going for his gun or anything like that, but he shouldn't have been reaching out for the cop at all. Seriously, what did he expect?
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10-17-2008, 01:59 PM
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#64
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Clinching Party
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Originally Posted by Titan
I would think that the cop was trying to "wrap up" the other guy, not knowing if he had his gun or whatnot. The first bad guy was passed off to the other cops.
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I'm pretty sure these guys know without looking whether or not their gun is in its holster.
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Originally Posted by Titan
Bad idea to touch, or even try to talk to, a cop in arrest mode. Let them sort it out and there will be time for talking later. I have never seen a cop release someone because their drunk friend said "hey let him go".
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Of course it is, and I don't think anyone has said any different. He was perfectly justified in going after the guy, but it didn't exactly go well for him. He put himself in a much worse spot, being on his back with a bunch of people on top of him and all.
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10-17-2008, 02:23 PM
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#65
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broke the first rule
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Originally Posted by The Fonz
I don't pay much attention to the CFL, but just out of curiousity, are the Rider fans equally as bad in Edmonton? Winnipeg? Or is this problem happening primarily in Calgary?
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I'm not sure about the incidents in question...but yeah, there is plenty of green in the stands at other stadiums (esp BC, Edmonton, Winnipeg). Rider fans are, in general, the most disliked around the league (sorry flip...it's true).
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10-17-2008, 02:31 PM
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#66
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Sec 216
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Originally Posted by old-fart
You are absolutely right. Why, just earlier this season it was all over the news how Stamp fans were throwing beer cans at the opposing team so bad they had to leave the sidelines area.... and just a few years ago us wild Stamp fans dumped manure on our kicker's neighbor's lawn because he missed a field goal....
Oh wait....
Sarcasm aside, I agree that every fan base has it's share of idiots that like to cause trouble, taunt opposing team's fans, be jerks, etc. Sask fans seem to definitely out number any other fan base in this regard though. Chalk it up to us bitter Calgary fans being jealous of your great Rider's all you want, but as other's have pointed out, the biggest problem's at Stamp games are not when the Esks are in town... it is when the Riders are in town.
I had tickets to the game on Monday and I gave them away because I didn't want to have to deal with idiotic Rider fans. I would have gone with my family for any other team.
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Again how many times can you moronic Stamps fans attribute the acts of a few bad apples to our entire Rider Nation.
The beer can thing came about because a BC player threw a ball at our fans. The manure thing was 2 guys out of a million Rider fans.
Get off your high horse. My family refuses to go to your abusive stadium because your ahole fans can't treat us with respect. So I'll use your logic. Since a few of your idiotic stamps fans treat us like crap, we label your entire redneck fanbase the same way.
The ignorant aditude displayed by most of the posters in this thread just make me think that the actions of the Rider Nation idiots is justified because you guys deserve it. You aren't being understanding that it is a few bad apples, you need to blame it all on us otherwise the fact that you have an ignorant, moronic, abusive fanbase will be exemplified by the actions by your fans.
Get it through your heads that I only hate your fans because you label me the same way you label all the jerks in your stadium.
It is no different than when and EDM fan says they got abuse at the saddledome. We all say that we are good fans and defend ourselves. As a Flames fan I hate it when someone talks smack about the C of Red because for the most part we are good fans.
I hate to resort to this but I really think a lot of the hatred comes from the fact that there is a possibility that a great number of Stamps fans are jealous that we outnumber you in your own city.
Last edited by flip; 10-17-2008 at 02:38 PM.
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10-17-2008, 02:32 PM
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#67
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Clinching Party
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Nothing like being called a redneck by a Saskie.
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10-17-2008, 02:34 PM
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#68
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Calgary
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10-17-2008, 02:35 PM
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#69
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n00b!
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Originally Posted by flip
As a Rider fan I expect the CPS to be biased towards their own fans. Even if I get a beer dumped on me, which thankfully has never happened yet (although I've had numerous verbal insults hurled at me, not a big deal), and I took a swing at the guy I would fully expect to get thrown out while the other guy gets off.
As for the comment about stay classy Rider fans, I doubt they were fighting with themselves.
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Sorry, no way. Why in the hell would an officer make decisions based on loyalties for a sporting team?! The officer will make a decision based on what he sees with his eyes... period.
And back to the OP, no way in hell are the cops over the line here. Don't touch a cop (especially while he's in the middle of a melee) and you'll be fine.
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10-17-2008, 02:36 PM
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: @robdashjamieson
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I don't hold you personally responsible Flip...
But the people in question are Rider Fans... not all of them, but still fans of the Riders.
I don't think that all Rider Fans are idiots, but there is a lot of them. And I agree, there has to be a Yin to the Yang... I'm sure there's idiot Stampeder fans.
I wouldn't get so worked up over us using the term "Rider Fans" or "Rider Nation" to mean each and everyone who would wear green on game day. It's like getting pissed off if someone said "people are such idiots"... I'm a people (person, I know)... I don't think that the term is being applied to me... depending on who you ask...
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10-17-2008, 02:48 PM
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#71
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Sec 216
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Originally Posted by Prototype
I don't hold you personally responsible Flip...
But the people in question are Rider Fans... not all of them, but still fans of the Riders.
I don't think that all Rider Fans are idiots, but there is a lot of them. And I agree, there has to be a Yin to the Yang... I'm sure there's idiot Stampeder fans.
I wouldn't get so worked up over us using the term "Rider Fans" or "Rider Nation" to mean each and everyone who would wear green on game day. It's like getting pissed off if someone said "people are such idiots"... I'm a people (person, I know)... I don't think that the term is being applied to me... depending on who you ask...
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I actually really appreciate your ability to be non partisan. I have been treated like dirt so many times by the righteous Stamps fans. I just wish a lot of them could realize it is a two way street.
And you are right. I don't mean you are all idiots. Many of you have approached me at Stamps-Riders games and told me that if it weren't for the Riders morons and the Stamps morons the games would be amazing.
It is the blanketing of an entire people by a small minorities actions that drive me crazy.
I've heard many a story that going to GM place is death for Flames fans, yet I have a few friends in Van city and they are offended that I have not yet gone to a game there because I fear for my life in that building.
Does that make me biased? absolutely. Is it unfounded? not really because there are some douchy Van City fans. But I refuse to label all Van fans as criminals based on a few stories I've heard. I try and balance the two. I know that I'll run into some jerks at a Stamps game or at a Canucks game. Do I think this means all of their fanbase is a bunch of criminals? Well certainly not.
Imagine if you replace Riders, with black people or asians. This thread would be out of control in its hatred of the bigots. But because it is in opposition of the other teams fan base most you don't give a second thought about calling us a bunch of criminals and trouble makers.
EDIT: upon thinking about this some more, maybe all I'm expecting is that more of the posters in this thread would avoid labelling all Rider fans as criminals. As Prototype suggests, maybe saying Rider fans, doesn't mean all of us, just the trouble makers. If I could believe that most people could forget their biases I might have more faith that is what they really meant. It is just the overall tone of this thread seems to be Stamps fans piling on making themselves feel better about the fact that some of YOUR brethren may be the problem not us.
Last edited by flip; 10-17-2008 at 02:55 PM.
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10-17-2008, 03:03 PM
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#72
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: @robdashjamieson
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I think the major thing for me, as a Stampeder fan, is that I shouldn't feel threatened in any way by going to a Stamps game in Calgary. As a fan of the opposition, you should be jeered, and joked with, but not put in any danger.
To tie it in, the guy in question in the video, was not following direct orders. I have no idea if he was drunk or whatever, but if he can't follow a simple task, which I have read to be "sit down", where is the line that he wont cross? Which is why the police were brought in.
Security and Police presence isn't there to ruin your experience, they are there to protect the experience of the majority of the ticket buying population in the stadium. If you, as a Riders fan, feel that you're being unfairly treated, threatened, or the like, you should have the same ability to complain to the Usher in your section, and there should be an unbiased response.
I don't see all Rider Fans as criminals, but the bad ones paint such a horrible picture than any other fan that goes to a CFL game, other than possibly Stamps fans. But as I said before, as a fan of the opposition, you should expect some light hearted banter, or joking... but you should never feel threatened.
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10-17-2008, 03:07 PM
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#73
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by flip
I have been treated like dirt so many times by the righteous Stamps fans.
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Wow, you're now officially the biggest victim in Calgary since that Oiler fan got beat up for asking "how 'bout them Flames?".
If you don't like the way we "righteous" Stamps fans treat you, then don't wear green to McMahon.
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10-17-2008, 03:10 PM
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Not the one...
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Originally Posted by Howie_16
If you don't like the way we "righteous" Stamps fans treat you, then don't wear green to McMahon.
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*sigh*
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10-17-2008, 03:22 PM
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: @robdashjamieson
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Wow...
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10-17-2008, 03:25 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Thirded...
There is no reason at all why a fan of a visiting team shouldn't be able to proudly wear his colours at a game.
But, to be perfectly frank Flip, your fellow Rider fans bear a very, very large responsibility for how you are treated at Stamps games. There are so many jackasses wearing watermellons at the games that it becomes easier to treat the entire fan base as if they were like that. It may not be right to do so, but that's how it is.
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10-17-2008, 03:30 PM
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#77
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Playboy Mansion Poolboy
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Close enough to make a beer run during a TV timeout
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
There are so many jackasses wearing watermellons at the games that it becomes easier to treat the entire fan base as if they were like that. It may not be right to do so, but that's how it is.
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I have to agree. As somebody who isn't a Stamps fan first, I always wear my blue and gold to Bomber games. Not once have I ever received anything other than a good ribbing.
However as I mentioned earlier I have had Riders fans in my face for being a "Stamps fan."
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10-17-2008, 03:32 PM
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#78
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Lethbridge
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Originally Posted by flip
I hate to resort to this but I really think a lot of the hatred comes from the fact that there is a possibility that a great number of Stamps fans are jealous that we outnumber you in your own city.
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It was only a matter of time befor Flip came in with some more stupid ramblings about the "greatness" of Rider fan and how terrible the Calgary fans are.
Not sure why Stamps fans would be jealous when any moron, including you, could tell by going to the game that there is no where near as many Rider fans as there are Stamp fans.
The media likes to play it up as a Rider home game but the reality is that it isn't close.
Once again nobody is jealous of Rider fans. There is no reason to be jealous of them as they are the same as any other fan in any other sport.
What people are tired of is Rider-Stamps games turning into bar brawls with idiots fighting cops, throwing cans at other fans and a general environment which makes them not want to bring their kids to the game.
It certainly isn't only Rider fans causing the problems but when it is much worse when they are playing then some of the Rider fans have to be looked at as being a big problem.
As for the Police bias comment I am sure there are plenty more things that a Police officer has to care about then what team a guy cheers for. Also am going to bet that anyone that attacks them, grabs at them from behind or tells them off is going to get less than friendly treatment whether they cheer for the Stamps, Riders, Esks or the CPS.
If you are representative of your family it is probably better that they don't come to the game. There are already plenty of stuck up Rider fans who think their better than everyone else and ready to make excuses everytime the so-called best fans EVAR make themselves look like morons on a weekly basis.
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10-17-2008, 03:32 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Thirded...
There is no reason at all why a fan of a visiting team shouldn't be able to proudly wear his colours at a game.
But, to be perfectly frank Flip, your fellow Rider fans bear a very, very large responsibility for how you are treated at Stamps games. There are so many jackasses wearing watermellons at the games that it becomes easier to treat the entire fan base as if they were like that. It may not be right to do so, but that's how it is.
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I am not saying that he shouldn't be able to wear his team's colours, but he shouldn't complain about being heckled, and he certainly shouldn't provoke the hometeam fans, which is what I see a few 'Rider fans doing of late.
I also agree that, for every 'Rider supporting idiot getting into a fight, there is a willing Stamp supporting idiot to go along with him.
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10-17-2008, 03:33 PM
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#80
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by flip
Again how many times can you moronic Stamps fans attribute the acts of a few bad apples to our entire Rider Nation.
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I've already said every fan base has their bad apples... what is it you want exactly? And you expect sympathy with "moronic Stamps fans"? Puh-leeze.
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Originally Posted by flip
The beer can thing came about because a BC player threw a ball at our fans. The manure thing was 2 guys out of a million Rider fans.
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Good. For a brief moment there I was scared you weren't going to make excuses for your "fans" behaviour. Thankfully, by your second sentence, you put those fears to rest. Heaven forfend a player should throw a ball into the stands after making a key fumble recovery that all but sealed the game. That's never happened before right? Or are you still hanging onto that Rod Pedersen crap about how the football nearly killed a poor 150 year old man who was hanging on to life by a thread, only to be hit in the head with a football fired at warp speed?
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Originally Posted by flip
Get off your high horse. My family refuses to go to your abusive stadium because your ahole fans can't treat us with respect. So I'll use your logic. Since a few of your idiotic stamps fans treat us like crap, we label your entire redneck fanbase the same way.
The ignorant aditude displayed by most of the posters in this thread just make me think that the actions of the Rider Nation idiots is justified because you guys deserve it. You aren't being understanding that it is a few bad apples, you need to blame it all on us otherwise the fact that you have an ignorant, moronic, abusive fanbase will be exemplified by the actions by your fans.
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Ah great, the whole "you deserve it" bit again. Other posters have said it, Rider fans are the most hated in the league. Why do you think that is? Is it because of all the success you've had over the years? You know, with your win the Cup every 20 years or so dominance? And it is not just in Calgary... go read the Eskimo forum, or the Blue Bombers forum... they all agree that there are significantly more ugly scenes when the Riders are in town than for any other team. I honestly don't know why the Rider fans are so crazy at the games. Maybe it is because so many of them have left Sask over the years that Rider games are an excuse to get together with a bunch of other ex-pats they haven't seen in awhile, and get stupid drunk... I don't know. I do know that two years ago we went to the Rider game with the wife's cousins who are from Regina and were in town visiting. They were absolutely disgusted by the behaviour at the stadium... not of Stamp fans, but of their fellow Rider fans. Embarassed was the phrase they used, and they claimed they were going to write a letter to the Leader Post upon their return to Regina. They were also the ones that went to get the cops involved to escort the group of Rider fans in front of us out. After they left, there were four or five mickeys left behind (unfortunately, not full ones). Are all Rider fans like those ones? No, of course not. But it seems there are more Rider fans like that than any other fan base, and it is not just us redneck Stamp fans saying so.
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