Guy molests and makes videos of his daughter...gets 9 years!

[missdpuck]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I guess it's the fact that it is pedophilia combined ith incest that makes it even more sick to a lot of people.

Is this really a "Canadian" justice thing? I would love to know how similar cases are treated in other Western countries. For example, how does it compare with the U.S., England, Germany, France, Netherlands, Italy... etc.?

Yeah i guess you're right. I'm just dwelling on the ultimate effect of this on the poor kid. Jeez.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by missdpuck

Yeah i guess you're right. I'm just dwelling on the ultimate affect of this on the poor kid. Jeez.

Oh yeah, that kid will never be normal.

I would like to know from a psychologist's point of view, if there is a difference in the severity of trauma whether it is done by a stranger or by a family member. There would probably be the added disgust that you were forced into incest... but mentally, I wouldn't be surprised if she was brainwashed enough to actually accept it.

[missdpuck]

Right. This sicko knew he had power over her. I was just thinking about the stranger/incest thing...The "stranger" scenario might make me more likely to distrust all men, but perhaps the incest part would make me feel more shame. Like I'm from this freaky gene pool.

[Daradon]

Curious then, how much time do people think he should really get? What would be fair? And I know a lot of people would say lock him up and throw away the key, but that doesn't make sense when you take into crimes like murder (what do you do then?) nor would it make a lot of sense for the prison system itself.

So what would be a fair sentence? I think people are forgetting just how long 9 years is. That's a lot of time to take away from a person. I'm not saying that I wouldn't give him more (and I'll get to that at the bottom) but I don't think you can say nine years is a slap on the wrist either.

Personally I think 15 years would be fair, and if they still wanted to take off the 1.5 years for time served then fine.

It's a heinous crime yes, but I don't understand how longer terms automatically balance things out or make things more fair. You can put hm away for life but the damage is already done to his daughter. Nor do I really think longer sentences are a huge deterrant. If you aren't deterred by nine years, and more importantly if you can't see what you are doing is wrong, you're going to do it regardless.

What I would like to see is a way of making the criminal really responsible for their actions. How this would be done in this case I don't know, but there has got to be a better way that he could pay back to the family or back to society instead of just serving time.

[First Lady]

There was a case similiar to this a few years back (here in Alberta).

If I recall correctly it involved 2 young girls and the father was granted visitation rights to see them. So the mother was forced to bring them to the prison to visit the man who had molested them......only in Canada.

I was mistaken.... should have found article before I posted.

He was convicted of sexual assault; but the daughters were not victims.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2001/...son010527.html

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Daradon

What I would like to see is a way of making the criminal really responsible for their actions. How this would be done in this case I don't know, but there has got to be a better way that he could pay back to the family or back to society instead of just serving time.

Short of castration, and even then, I don't see how he could "pay back" for something as heinous as this.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Curious then, how much time do people think he should really get? What would be fair?

considering his victims suffer for life, life would be a fair sentence.

[Blaster86]

Kill him with fire imo.

[Lithium]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Kill him with fire imo.

I completely agree, pedophile sex offenders like this poor excuse for a human being deserve a painful death.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Curious then, how much time do people think he should really get? What would be fair? And I know a lot of people would say lock him up and throw away the key, but that doesn't make sense when you take into crimes like murder (what do you do then?) nor would it make a lot of sense for the prison system itself.

How about all time. This crime to me is right up there with pre-mediated murder.

He molested a child

That child was his daughter

He put it up on the web for others to enjoy.

Personally, I view crime in one or two categories, mistakes ("I accidentally hit him with my car and feel terrible remores", "I stole the money because my family was starving") or intentional ("I was high and I needed to support my drug habit when I did that home invasion", She pissed me off so I raped her and beat her to death").

I've always advocated two types of prisons, one for those people that make mistakes, and actually for most first time offenders, keep the sentences sensible, work on rehab and education and job skills. The second prison is for multiple offenders and people like this scum bag, you don't need guards because its in the arctic circle and we air drop supplies to it. There's no luxury items, and you spend all day crushing rocks until you die.

Originally Posted by Daradon

So what would be a fair sentence? I think people are forgetting just how long 9 years is. That's a lot of time to take away from a person. I'm not saying that I wouldn't give him more (and I'll get to that at the bottom) but I don't think you can say nine years is a slap on the wrist either.

He basically has probably destroyed his own kid for his own pleasure and the pleasure of whoever was watching the show. 9 years is nothing, its a slap on the wrist for a disgusting crime, I would say give him the option of 9 years if he agrees to lots of harsh conditions including a life time with a ankle tracker and a sign put up on his front lawn pronouncing him as a danger to children, plus a lifetime of public service and surgical castration, or life with no parole if he doesn't agree.

Originally Posted by Daradon

Personally I think 15 years would be fair, and if they still wanted to take off the 1.5 years for time served then fine.

At least a minimum of 15 years before he even sees a parole hearing, and no time off.

Originally Posted by Daradon

It's a heinous crime yes, but I don't understand how longer terms automatically balance things out or make things more fair. You can put hm away for life but the damage is already done to his daughter. Nor do I really think longer sentences are a huge deterrant. If you aren't deterred by nine years, and more importantly if you can't see what you are doing is wrong, you're going to do it regardless.

Because of the nature of the crime, you have to look at public safety and the victims rights, the long punishment keeps him away from his source of temptation and protects the public, it also gives the girl closure because she doesn't have to worry about seeing this scumbag for the rest of her life. This also seems to be the type of crime where there's a larger then average chance of re-offending. Why take the chance?

Originally Posted by Daradon

What I would like to see is a way of making the criminal really responsible for their actions. How this would be done in this case I don't know, but there has got to be a better way that he could pay back to the family or back to society instead of just serving time.

Pretty sure that the family is not looking for ways for him to pay them back. There will probably be very little comfort to this family when he's released.

[BuzzardsWife]

i think the punishment for these crimes should be time plus a nice tattoo..all over their face..like:i raped and drugged my daughter

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by BuzzardsWife

i think the punishment for these crimes should be time plus a nice tattoo..all over their face..like:i raped and drugged my daughter

Wasn't there a short story about that where criminals got no jail time but had to wear a mark?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by BuzzardsWife

i think the punishment for these crimes should be time plus a nice tattoo..all over their face..like:i raped and drugged my daughter

See that would make more sense to me. Especially in circumstances like this where rehabilitation is unlikely.

[Daradon]

Re: Capt. I definitely get where you're coming from and can't really disagree with any of your points. I think everyone can agree the biggest obstacle is making sure he doesn't re-offend. I'm not sure a longer sentence does that though. As terrible as it sounds, the fact that it was his own daughter probably makes it a crime of convienence, he will probably not try it with someone else's kid.

Not saying he should get a lighter sentence case he won't re-offend, just trying to separate the nuts and bolts of the argument.

And some families might want some penance or payback. Again I can't say what or how, but often in tragedies like that people (esp. victims) first look to answer the question 'why?' and then to find closure. When the perpetrator is related to you, often that involves tackling the issue rather than pushing it away, and finding some sort of forgiveness.

I don't know if I could ever do that, but I know people in the situation who have been forced to.

[Dion]

Put the guy in general population and the his fellow prisoners take care of him.

[Lithium]

Originally Posted by Dion

Put the guy in general population and the his fellow prisoners take care of him.

Don't they usually keep these pieces of .... away from the other criminals because the pedophile will be killed by them?

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Re: Capt. I definitely get where you're coming from and can't really disagree with any of your points. I think everyone can agree the biggest obstacle is making sure he doesn't re-offend. I'm not sure a longer sentence does that though. As terrible as it sounds, the fact that it was his own daughter probably makes it a crime of convienence, he will probably not try it with someone else's kid.

Not saying he should get a lighter sentence case he won't re-offend, just trying to separate the nuts and bolts of the argument.

And some families might want some penance or payback. Again I can't say what or how, but often in tragedies like that people (esp. victims) first look to answer the question 'why?' and then to find closure. When the perpetrator is related to you, often that involves tackling the issue rather than pushing it away, and finding some sort of forgiveness.

I don't know if I could ever do that, but I know people in the situation who have been forced to.

I agree with where you're coming from here, but honestly I'd rather let the parole system evaluate his likelihood of reoffending rather than a judge today speculating where this guy's head is going to be at in a decade. The problem with terms of this length is that they leave no flexibility for the parole system to keep him in longer than the nine years. Too often, we have a parole system saying that a criminal is likely to reoffend, but they have no option to keep him in as the sentence has expired. If our system is really about rehabilitation, we should have longer initial sentences and a better-structured parole system.

[mikey_the_redneck]

How do the judges/jury members live with themselves after this?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by octothorp

I agree with where you're coming from here, but honestly I'd rather let the parole system evaluate his likelihood of reoffending rather than a judge today speculating where this guy's head is going to be at in a decade. The problem with terms of this length is that they leave no flexibility for the parole system to keep him in longer than the nine years. Too often, we have a parole system saying that a criminal is likely to reoffend, but they have no option to keep him in as the sentence has expired. If our system is really about rehabilitation, we should have longer initial sentences and a better-structured parole system.

For the record I did agree that nine years wasn't enough, I was just arguing against the whole 'lock em up and throw away the key' argument.

I just think there might be better ways to satisfy the plight of the victim, keep society safe, prevent and discourage future crimes from others, and rehab the criminal than crying out that our system is a joke and doesn't lock up people long enough. Yes don't have a ton of ideas (mostly cause they very so much from crime to crime) but at least there's probably more imagination, thought, and heart than, 'lock em up till he rots'.

Your idea does have some merit though. Stiffer sentences with more opportunity for parole (within the framework of a system that evaluates and rehabs better than it does now).

I like it. Could be a start.

[MaDMaN_26]

I think he should be locked up until the victim forgives him and ask for him to be released... if that never happens then to bad so sad. If the victim chooses to forgive him and petition for his release as part of a process to move on and complete the healing then so be it. I say leave it in the victims hands... with the exception that they must be an adult or 21 before they can make that call...

Honestly I'm surprised these guy survive more than a few months in prison... I had assumed it was an automatic death sentence via peers.