Canadian English Leaders Debate

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by mrdeeds

I disagree with your take on the 30 day pledge (not platform). It is simple and shows that the Liberals are truly concerned about keeping the economy strong. I would agree with you more on the GreenShift, but it is in itself a complex plan, but Harper's attempts at discrediting its premise were pretty futile.

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The Liberal 5 point plan

1. Call upon the heads of Canada’s financial regulatory agencies – the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions (OSFI), Canadian Deposit Insurance Corporation (CDIC), the Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC) and the Bank of Canada – to evaluate the status and appropriateness of Canada’s financial regulatory framework within the context of the new global economic circumstances.
2. Convene a meeting of leading independent private sector economists to report on the state of the economy and assess both domestic and international trends for the coming year.
3. Direct the Department of Finance to prepare an Economic and Fiscal Update to be presented no later than the end of the third week of a new Liberal government.
4. Convene a Meeting of Canada’s first ministers to address the new realities of Canada’s economic situation and to ensure the best possible coordination of efforts with the provincial and territorial governments.
5. Work in partnership with the provinces and territories to identify infrastructure projects and opportunities in the manufacturing sector that have the greatest potential to stimulate investment and create jobs. Support will then be provided through the accelerated flow of funds under our infrastructure program and our $1-billion Advanced Manufacturing Prosperity Fund.

To me theres nothing there beyond lets have some meetings and make some reports, and then throw a billion dollars at infrastructure products, but theres nothing there thats shocking or new. Thats not a plan, thats a milk run to Tim Hortons.

On the green shift, harper pointed to the exact page and the exact figures of the green shift and pointed out that the numbers made no sense, and beyond Dion's momentary bluster he did nothing during the debate to defend or prove that program. To me Harper did a pretty good job of calling Dion on his math.

[HOZ]

Well looks like Margaret Atwood has come out against Harper.

The fascist......er Conservative Party is now doomed!

[mrdeeds]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

To me theres nothing there beyond lets have some meetings and make some reports, and then throw a billion dollars at infrastructure products, but theres nothing there thats shocking or new. Thats not a plan, thats a milk run to Tim Hortons.

On the green shift, harper pointed to the exact page and the exact figures of the green shift and pointed out that the numbers made no sense, and beyond Dion's momentary bluster he did nothing during the debate to defend or prove that program. To me Harper did a pretty good job of calling Dion on his math.

It clearly demonstrates the Liberals identify that there is a potential crisis and are acting to stave it off as opposed to the rest of the parties including the incumbent.

On the second point, I'll have to do my homework. I'm too tired after dropping the wife off this morning.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

1. Work in partnership with the provinces and territories to identify infrastructure projects and opportunities in the manufacturing sector that have the greatest potential to stimulate investment and create jobs. Support will then be provided through the accelerated flow of funds under our infrastructure program and our $1-billion Advanced Manufacturing Prosperity Fund.

Considering that we've been going through a massive infrastructure building spree in Alberta, how much would you bet that we don't see a dime?

[CaptainCrunch]

Especially when his green shift targets energy producers. I make a bet that Alberta loses any kind of economic plan thats created by the Libs.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by mrdeeds

It clearly demonstrates the Liberals identify that there is a potential crisis and are acting to stave it off as opposed to the rest of the parties including the incumbent.

How is that any different than what the government is doing - although not making it public? I'm looking for quotes from Jim Flaherty which say exactly that. Still looking (heard him on the radio).

Also:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../BNStory/Front

Canada's September jobless report from Statistics Canada is scheduled for next Friday and a consensus of economists predicts the economy will produce more than 12,000 jobs for the month, on top of 15.200 created in August.

“I don't think policy makers should be doing anything radical in Canada,” Mr. Porter said. “From the fiscal [tax-cutting] side, they've already taken steps to help out so there's not much more room.”

[mrdeeds]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

On the green shift, harper pointed to the exact page and the exact figures of the green shift and pointed out that the numbers made no sense, and beyond Dion's momentary bluster he did nothing during the debate to defend or prove that program. To me Harper did a pretty good job of calling Dion on his math.

There is no page that I saw that points out the figures that Harper refers to. As Dion already point out, "...Mr. Harper, it is a lie." Check the figures yourself. The only thing Harper could do was try to distort the Liberal plan and could not and he had no answer for it. Canadians should not let Harper make up their minds and review the plan for themselves.

[mrdeeds]

Originally Posted by calculoso

How is that any different than what the government is doing - although not making it public? I'm looking for quotes from Jim Flaherty which say exactly that. Still looking (heard him on the radio).

Also:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../BNStory/Front

What is the government doing really to specifically deal with an impending recession? Nothing.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/s...r-economy.html