And having your kid understand that the needs of the many outweigh his individual needs. Educate the little about not eating peanut butter, stick an Ep pen in his backpack and let the teacher/whoever at the school know he has an allergy. Dont be telling everybody else "How DARE you eat PEANUTS around my little angel!"
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And having your kid understand that the needs of the many outweigh his individual needs. Educate the little about not eating peanut butter, stick an Ep pen in his backpack and let the teacher/whoever at the school know he has an allergy.
The epi-pen, however, is just the first step in treating the reaction.
The epi-pen will just buy you time - about 10 to 20 minutes. And in that time, you need to call 911 and get medical help. And, you may need another shot of epinephrine to buy you more time."
"It's one thing to avoid peanuts in your own home, but where you get in trouble is in the outside world -- in restaurants or in school cafeterias where they might be hidden traces of peanuts," Johnson said. "We know of one incident where someone had an allergic reaction from eating a cheese sandwich that was sliced in half using a knife that had also been used to slice a peanut butter sandwich."
Some people are so severely allergic to peanuts that just the aroma triggers an allergic reaction, Johnson said.
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. Alot of people believe as peanut protein has been put into almost everything people have eaten, that it triggers changes in successive generations. Basically each generation is more susceptible to the allergy then the one before..
That sounds like Lamarckian inheritance, so I guess "alot of people" would be wrong. I can eat 50 billion peanuts and it isn't going to affect how my offspring are affected by peanut allergies.
The whole "allergies kill!" thing is way overhyped. In 2005, out of 2.4 million deaths in the USA, 18were from anaphylaxis (extreme allergic reaction). Unless you are directly affected, in which case the onus is on YOU to be careful, expecting everyone else to change their life to mitigate such a comparatively miniscule chance of harm is ridiculous.
Note that I have nothing against labelling products that might provoke allergic reactions. That's sensible enough, but the idea that peanuts are an unholy scourge from which innocent children must be protected at all costs is a crock.
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That article is old, and the teen mentioned in the article as "dying from a kiss" from her peanut-eating boyfriend actually died of asthma. I'd put about the same credence in the "knife used to cut a peanut butter sandwich" story there, although it isn't referenced without enough information to be certain.
As far as the aroma of peanuts causing a reaction check here where this is debunked.
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When I was in grade school I knew a kid who had a serious allergy to peanuts. We were all told of his condition and asked to be safe around him and he never had one instance of problem.
I can't believe that this is really an issue. And as Fotze just said, a lot of the information or stories seem to be blown out of proportion or completely taken out of context. (Or worse made up)
You can't start banning everything that is a danger to some people. Imagine what our world would be like if that was the case. No one would be able to do anything. I know other people who are just as allergic (deathly) to fish, black food coloring, other nuts, (PS a peanut isn't a nut, it's a legume... ) and other foods. Do we end up banning everything but processed soy products? Come on.
It's the child's and families responsibility to keep that kid safe. And of course, the school itself needs to be aware of allergies like this in case they ever offer food and probably SHOULD NOT offer peanut butter (or other offending foods) to any kids, to make sure there is no cross contamination. Should other kids and parents respect this kids condition and do their best to limit the danger? Of course. But should we start banning everything? I don't think so. That doesn't help anyone, including the kid with the allergy. Part of growing up is knowing what is serious and when you need to take care of yourself. And part of being a parent is learning when to let go and let your child do just that.
P.S. I realize this thread was originally taken from a thread on teaching handicapped children. In schools like that, maybe an outright ban is correct, but not in regular schools.
My daughters best friend is allergic to peanuts and I can tell you that would suck if it was us. I know her parents quite well and they tell me the stories about it. For instance her dad is a huge stamps fan and loves to go to games, the first time that he took his daughter to a game someone was eating peanuts two rows in front of them and she started to swell up, they had to give her a shot from her epipen and leave.
Other times a kid ate a PB sandwich and still had some on their hands and touched her, same thing.
You see when she is touches, ingests or even around peanuts she will swell up and if not caught right away her throat will swell shut and she will die. She carries her epipen with her all the time, I cannot remember once seeing her and not having her pink pencil case that carries it.
So if a school can ban peanuts then it is worth it. Sure it does not affect everyone but if it can kill a kid then why risk it?
"Originally Posted by Dartem Illegally speeding through a playground zone and eating a sandwich aren't even comparable in the least. I think you missed the point, it hopped on a plane and is halfway around the world by now"
They are excatly compareable in that the speed limit, and the peanut ban are put in place to protect children. If you think play ground zone speed limits are an inconvience to you then the peanut ban is likely trouble for you too. Just more rules infringing on your freedoms..
"That sounds like Lamarckian inheritance, so I guess "alot of people" would be wrong."
It's more along the lines of protien bases "prion" type infections, not excatly the same, but based on the argument that protiens can have an affect on genetic material. In the end though nobody really knows so I'm not gonna get into a debate about something neither of us knows about. Only thing for sure is it's a growing problem, and thats the reality of the situation.
Originally Posted by Dartem And having your kid understand that the needs of the many outweigh his individual needs. Educate the little about not eating peanut butter, stick an Ep pen in his backpack and let the teacher/whoever at the school know he has an allergy. Dont be telling everybody else "How DARE you eat PEANUTS around my little angel!"
Nobody said anything about "HOW DARE YOU!!"... Just some consideration. The school bans it because unless they do, most people people like you would have none.
"Originally Posted by JAMMIES That article is old, and the teen mentioned in the article as "dying from a kiss" from her peanut-eating boyfriend actually died of asthma. I'd put about the same credence in the "knife used to cut a peanut butter sandwich" story there, although it isn't referenced without enough information to be certain. As far as the aroma of peanuts causing a reaction check here where this is debunked. "
You don't hear alot of people with nut allergies dying because the allergy is well managed, and the awareness is very high. Nobody is talking about aroma's, it's physical ingestion of peanut protein that's the real problem. The vast majority of people who die from Anaphylaxis get reported as asthma releated deaths because the symptoms and results are the same. Way more kids die of asthma each year but a percentage of thoes are actually Anaphylaxis.
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This allergy seems to be getting more and more common.
One day, when everyone is allergic to peanuts, thats when they take over!
Nobody could eat peanuts anymore and then the Peanut King will come to Rule of this Land of ours with his invincible peanut army. Its their plan.
Do your part to save humanity, eat peanut butter. I think the only people who would be safe are the people who go to Petes every sunday, we're peanut destroying machines.
I for one welcome our smooth and/or crunchy peanut overlords....
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My daughter is allergic to tree nuts and the school she attends is nut free. It is the school that insists on having the ban in place. Her first day of school all the students were sent home with a questionnaire asking if your child had any allergies or special needs. We noted that she was allergic to tree nuts and the school contacted us. It is the school that insists that she has her epi pen with her at all times (although it is obviously a good idea). My wife and I have never once made a single demand or had any complaints about what the school should or shouldn't do to accommodate our child's allergy.
Although I feel it is my responsibility to protect my child. I don't think it is asking to much for others to show a little compassion when it comes to the safety of children. I can guarantee that Flip will have a different attitude the day he becomes a father (assuming he is capable).
Banning everyone else from eating peanuts is not the solution, like others have said, the kid with the allergy needs to be treated, and society needs to raise its children differently so that kids don't get allergies. I'm fairly certain that the thing they have new parents do these days to look out for allergies in newborns, is actually leading to a substantial INCREASE in allergies.
Back when I was a kid, I never even heard about peanut allergies. We, as a society, need to stop raising our kids to be wusses. I feel for the kids who have the allergies, but we cannot start canning everything that someone might be allergic to. Eventually, the rest of humanity will lose their immunity to these things, and in a few generations, humanity will die off because we don't have immunity to anything any more.
We seriously have to rethink the way we deal with allergies. banning of things is NOT the solution in the long term.
I think the main problem is that the schools deal with this from a purely liability stand point. The schools reaction is not about protecting kids it is about preventing litagation. So as with most safety measures we put in place the solution is the best solution to prevent litagation but not the best solution to protect those affected by allergies or the least inconvenient solution for others.
In my opinion it should be handled on a case by case basis. If a person is severly alergic and the aeroma of penuts then that person should be entitled to go to a nut free school (maybe have one it the city). If it is injestion or contact that causes the reaction the schools should use education of all parents and students as a better method then knee jerk bans for everyone.
I once went out with this girl who had similar allergies to peanuts. It wasn't really working out, she always wanted to come meet up with me and my friends a lot, I really tried to let her know I wasn't interested. In the end we just went to Moose Mcguires a lot.
I would rather my kid be able to eat whatever the hell I pack for him for lunch. Its not my responsibility to make sure other kids arent around peanut butter, its the other kids parents that should be taking it on.
My child would not be responsible for the death for eating a tasty sammich. The other kids defective immune system is.
Are you ignorant just for kicks or are you really this stupid?
A friend of mine has a such a severe allergy to peanuts that if he even comes into contact with someone who say, had a peanut butter sammich(!?), he goes into anaphylactic shock. It's a serious allergy that needs to be removed from schools to protect children who have it. Sorry for the inconvenience bud.
I agree with the point that the severity of the allergy is overstated. What about other allergies? Are schools going to start banning bread because of gluten allergies? Soon milk will be banned just in case somebody with a lactose intolerance accidentally drinks it.
I agree with the point that the severity of the allergy is overstated. What about other allergies? Are schools going to start banning bread because of gluten allergies? Soon milk will be banned just in case somebody with a lactose intolerance accidentally drinks it.
Hey Malcolm, sounds like you would be OK with a private school for KIDS with peanut allergies? Maybe we should dress them all in orange jumpsuits and write "my kid is different, he is allergic to peauts"!!
Seriously, can't we all try to understand they are KIDS! We need to take care of them, whether they are ours or our neighbours. THEY ARE KIDS, they did not choose this. I hope your children grow up without any issues and if they do, I would be first in line to help you and your family even though I don't even know you...
I have a serious Walnut/Pecan allergy, so not as common as peanuts but the first thing I was taught as a kid when the allergy was found is to stay the hell away from them. If you think something may have walnuts or pecans in it, don't eat. If you're unsure, don't eat it. Peanut is much more common, so you'd have to be much more careful - but the bottom line is make people aware of your allergy and they'll probably not eat them around you. It ultimately falls on your own shoulders though. It'd be nice if everyone would stay away from you when they have whatever you're allergic to, but you can't expect or assume they will.
Sure it does not affect everyone but if it can kill a kid then why risk it?
We should start the ban on cars, electricity, water, heavy objects of any kind, pillows, things that are sharp or pointy, fire, rope, plastic bags etc...
Every one of these things could kill me let alone a kid! Why shouldn"t we eliminate all these things from society if we could save just one child from potential harm? Why risk it?
We should start the ban on cars, electricity, water, heavy objects of any kind, pillows, things that are sharp or pointy, fire, rope, plastic bags etc...
Every one of these things could kill me let alone a kid! Why shouldn"t we eliminate all these things from society if we could save just one child from potential harm? Why risk it?
Cars, water electricity, things that are sharp, fire, and many heavy objects are all pretty much important for continuation of our society as we know it. If your kid needs to wait till he gets him after school to have some peanut butter I really think that things will move forward.
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) and other foods. Do we end up banning everything but processed soy products? Come on.
