Peanut Butter Allergies AGAIN [Split from Mentally Challenged Thread]

[Reaper]

Just on the topic of peanut butter and schools...

I just don't get how people can weigh their right to enjoy a tasty peanut butter sandwich as more important than being a human being and doing their best to not endanger the health/life of another person.

Come on, people. We're all in this together. Save the peanut butter sandwiches for the weekend. Would you rather that your kid's lunch kill another kid with anaphalactic shock? Imagine the kind of guilt that kid might have to deal with because their tasty sandwich was responsible for the death of one of their classmates...

[metal_geek]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Just on the topic of peanut butter and schools...

I just don't get how people can weigh their right to enjoy a tasty peanut butter sandwich as more important than being a human being and doing their best to not endanger the health/life of another person.

Come on, people. We're all in this together. Save the peanut butter sandwiches for the weekend. Would you rather that your kid's lunch kill another kid with anaphalactic shock? Imagine the kind of guilt that kid might have to deal with because their tasty sandwich was responsible for the death of one of their classmates...

Some people are too self centered to think like that..

[Dartem]

Originally Posted by Reaper

. Would you rather that your kid's lunch kill another kid with anaphalactic shock? Imagine the kind of guilt that kid might have to deal with because their tasty sandwich was responsible for the death of one of their classmates...

I would rather my kid be able to eat whatever the hell I pack for him for lunch. Its not my responsibility to make sure other kids arent around peanut butter, its the other kids parents that should be taking it on.

My child would not be responsible for the death for eating a tasty sammich. The other kids defective immune system is.

[Russic]

Originally Posted by Dartem

I would rather my kid be able to eat whatever the hell I pack for him for lunch. Its not my responsibility to make sure other kids arent around peanut butter, its the other kids parents that should be taking it on.

My child would not be responsible for the death for eating a tasty sammich. The other kids defective immune system is.

This is either a failure to be funny or a very ignorant comment. Honestly people ... it's f****** peanut butter, we're not pissing on the flag here. There's no reason to get all high and mighty about personal rights. Removing peanut butter from a child diet at school isn't exactly a difficult thing to do.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Dartem

I would rather my kid be able to eat whatever the hell I pack for him for lunch. Its not my responsibility to make sure other kids arent around peanut butter, its the other kids parents that should be taking it on.

My child would not be responsible for the death for eating a tasty sammich. The other kids defective immune system is.

Maybe the kids with the defective immune system needs more will power?

[metal_geek]

Originally Posted by Dartem

I would rather my kid be able to eat whatever the hell I pack for him for lunch. Its not my responsibility to make sure other kids arent around peanut butter, its the other kids parents that should be taking it on.

My child would not be responsible for the death for eating a tasty sammich. The other kids defective immune system is.

Let me guess... some dude does 50k through a playground zone and kills a kid.. It's the kids fault for not paying attention? Kids weak car avoidance skills?... Natural selection?.... Sucks, oh well such is life right?

What if it was your kid?... same attitude?

What if your kid was gonna die because of a tasty sammich?... same attitude? or do you just not care about anyone else but yourself?

[metal_geek]

Originally Posted by flip

This has nothing to do with me being self centered it has to do with inconvenience hundreds if not thousands of people so one person can have their way. I'm not saying we should let them die of allergic reactions only that the onus should be on them to ensure their safety/comfort.

First, it's a problem you severly underestimate... it's not 1 in 1000... is more like 2 in 100 and growing rapidly.

Secondly we are talking about children, we're supposed to teach them, protect them, and let them learn from thier mistakes. Only problem is in this case they only get 1 chance to make that mistake.

Lastly it has everything to do with you being self centered. If you weren't so concearned about the inconvience to you or the 1000's of others you profess to care about, you could open your eyes and see what kind of problem it really is. You would see how many other people out there actually make an effort, and care about other kids nut allergies. You'd likley find yourself in a rather uninformed minority..

[flip]

Originally Posted by metal_geek

First, it's a problem you severly underestimate... it's not 1 in 1000... is more like 2 in 100 and growing rapidly.

Secondly we are talking about children, we're supposed to teach them, protect them, and let them learn from thier mistakes. Only problem is in this case they only get 1 chance to make that mistake.

Lastly it has everything to do with you being self centered. If you weren't so concearned about the inconvience to you or the 1000's of others you profess to care about, you could open your eyes and see what kind of problem it really is. You would see how many other people out there actually make an effort, and care about other kids nut allergies. You'd likley find yourself in a rather uninformed minority..

Wow sounds like you're a helicopter parent...always hovering.

I know that it is more like 2 in 100 and that is the problem. This epidemic is spreading and they are now developing ways to overcome peanut allergies because it isn't normal and they are trying to get rid of them.

What about kids that are allergic to flowers/grass/pollen? Should other kids not be able to play in the grass because we don't want the poor allergic kids to feel left out? Should they get rid of all the grass at school?

A rather uninformed minority? What the hell are you talking about? What exactly am I uninformed about? Is it that everyone has to make their issues and problems something for everyone else to suffer with too?

I empathize with people that have children with severe allergies, it must be a lot of work to take care of that child and keep them safe, just don't expect me to bend over backwards to avoid inconvenience you that's all.

If one of us has to be inconvenieced it should be the kid with the allergy not me.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by flip

If one of us has to be inconvenieced it should be the kid with the allergy not me.

Why do you feel that asking other kids not to eat a product with nuts that could be potentially fatal to another child is such an inconvenience?

I honestly just don't see the inconvenience in it at all. It's no big deal IMO.

What is it about a peanut butter sandwich that makes it all so inconvenient?

[STeeLy]

This is tough, because there really isn't much of a middle ground.

I understand where flip is coming from... just because one kid cannot have peanuts doesn't mean that everyone else can't have them either. Flip it back on the kid with the peanut allergy, what if he loves fish and someone in class is allergic to fish? Same scenario, but different role.

Of course, here is the other side of the coin... School put these things in place so they don't get into hot water with the parents...

It's really impossible to deal with... do we section off the school so kids with specific allergies are put somewhere within the school area and are not to be approached by the others? No, not possible, why? Because school is about integrating, not segregating... yet you can't have kids who have no allergies not be able to enjoy what they like because someone else could die...

Honestly, Which is best? The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few? Or is this The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many?

[ruddstud]

Schools put these rules in place to keep children SAFE, not because of the HOT water...

[STeeLy]

Originally Posted by ruddstud

Schools put these rules in place to keep children SAFE, not because of the HOT water...

Yes, because if the children aren't safe, how much trouble does the school get into? So technically, they are keeping the children safe so the school themselves stay out of trouble.

[flip]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Why do you feel that asking other kids not to eat a product with nuts that could be potentially fatal to another child is such an inconvenience?

I honestly just don't see the inconvenience in it at all. It's no big deal IMO.

What is it about a peanut butter sandwich that makes it all so inconvenient?

It isn't just the peanut thing it is our whole society's problem with helicopter parents. They cannot handle any problems by themselves and have to make sure that any of their problems are shouldered by all of society.

Now I never said we should put the kid in danger, if he has a life or death peanut allergy obviously he shouldn't be around peanuts, however it should be up to him, his parents and the school to make sure he's safe, not the other parents and children. So like I said, maybe he has to sacrifice a little and eat lunch sequestered from the other children. He could even be joined by some other children who also have the allergy or just want to keep him company or don't have any peanuts.

I know in the big picture not being able to eat Pb&J sandwiches at school is a pretty minor inconvenience but it leads to more people taking liberties with my freedom.

A better example perhaps is cases of people with allergies to scents.

There are high schools in the states where the entire school is outlawed from using scents of any kind, be it soap, deoderant, perfume, hairspray, laundry detergent because 1 friggin kid will get sick if he has to be around it.

So we've now inconvenienced a 1000 people so one kid with a problem can live carefree. Maybe the majority should rule and the 1 kid should have to find a way to deal with his unfortunate problem.

Now I'm not saying I don't have sympathy for this poor kid but he's going to have to realize that the entire world isn't going to just bend over backwards for him and it is precisely the opposite of what these parents/schools are teaching him.

[metal_geek]

Originally Posted by flip

Wow sounds like you're a helicopter parent...always hovering.

I know that it is more like 2 in 100 and that is the problem. This epidemic is spreading and they are now developing ways to overcome peanut allergies because it isn't normal and they are trying to get rid of them.

What about kids that are allergic to flowers/grass/pollen? Should other kids not be able to play in the grass because we don't want the poor allergic kids to feel left out? Should they get rid of all the grass at school?

A rather uninformed minority? What the hell are you talking about? What exactly am I uninformed about? Is it that everyone has to make their issues and problems something for everyone else to suffer with too?

I empathize with people that have children with severe allergies, it must be a lot of work to take care of that child and keep them safe, just don't expect me to bend over backwards to avoid inconvenience you that's all.

If one of us has to be inconvenieced it should be the kid with the allergy not me.

So you know its more like 2 in 100 and yet you still throw out random made up numbers like 1 in hundreds or even thousands to show how many people are inconvenienced by 1? So you not actually in the uninformed minority at all, you were just making stuff up to prove your point. Least you cleared that up...

You're right they are trying to find away to get around peanut allergies, and cancer and MS and and and... Unfortunately they don't have an answer for either of those yet. In the mean time only one of those you can do anything about for the 2 percent it affects, but it too much trouble for you. Maybe if you could give 5 bucks once a year and feel good about yourself that would be less of a pain for you..

If you had a 3 year old who was gonna die from eating my grass, you're damn straight I'd get rid of it until he was old enough to look out for himself. Maybe you'd spend a little time "hovering" over you kid if you knew there was even a small but very real chance you might not be a parent at the end of the day. It's nice you can send your kid to school and not have to worry about him dieing to a nut allergy.. but seeing as you don't have to worry about that, screw everyone else right? Don't bend over backwards for something that doesn't affect you.....

You empathize.... Maybe with the trouble the "extra" parenting must be.. however you obviously have ZERO empathy for the parents or you wouldn't even consider the argument you're struggling to make..

[Sparks]

Has this (peanut allergies) always been such a big thing? This ban must have come in fairly recently, so is this allergy getting worse/more common - or did they wheel all the dead kids out the back door when we were growing up and we never noticed? If it's getting worse, have they figured out why? Seems like a pretty serious issue.

[metal_geek]

Originally Posted by Sparks

Has this (peanut allergies) always been such a big thing? This ban must have come in fairly recently, so is this allergy getting worse/more common - or did they wheel all the dead kids out the back door when we were growing up and we never noticed? If it's getting worse, have they figured out why? Seems like a pretty serious issue.

It was a big issue 12-15 years ago, but basically the norm now is to not bring items that contain nuts to school. It's why you see all the snacks now that say "Nut Free".

It wasn't as big an issue 20-30 years ago, but what seems to be happening, is that peanuts have in the last 80-100 years been used as a cheap source of protein added to many foods. Alot of people believe as peanut protein has been put into almost everything people have eaten, that it triggers changes in successive generations. Basically each generation is more susceptible to the allergy then the one before..

[flip]

Originally Posted by metal_geek

So you know its more like 2 in 100 and yet you still throw out random made up numbers like 1 in hundreds or even thousands to show how many people are inconvenienced by 1? So you not actually in the uninformed minority at all, you were just making stuff up to prove your point. Least you cleared that up...

You're right they are trying to find away to get around peanut allergies, and cancer and MS and and and... Unfortunately they don't have an answer for either of those yet. In the mean time only one of those you can do anything about for the 2 percent it affects, but it too much trouble for you. Maybe if you could give 5 bucks once a year and feel good about yourself that would be less of a pain for you..

If you had a 3 year old who was gonna die from eating my grass, you're damn straight I'd get rid of it until he was old enough to look out for himself. Maybe you'd spend a little time "hovering" over you kid if you knew there was even a small but very real chance you might not be a parent at the end of the day. It's nice you can send your kid to school and not have to worry about him dieing to a nut allergy.. but seeing as you don't have to worry about that, screw everyone else right? Don't bend over backwards for something that doesn't affect you.....

You empathize.... Maybe with the trouble the "extra" parenting must be.. however you obviously have ZERO empathy for the parents or you wouldn't even consider the argument you're struggling to make..

All I have to say is WOW. Clearly you aren't a realist. All of your problems are the worlds problems and if we don't all feel sympathy for your cause we are evil.

[GGG]

When I was in elementy school about 20 years ago now we had one kid in the class who was deathly allergic to peanuts and eggs. From Kindergarten on everyone in the class was told they weren't allowed to share food with him and his parets told him he wasn't allowed to share food with anyone. This system worked fine. He always had his eppipen with him and it was never used. We were taught to understand the risk

I don't understand the bans on peanuts when proactive education of both the students with alergies and students without seems like a lot better way to deal with it. Ignoring the problem with draconian bans just creates a false sense of security which could lead to more exposure.

[flip]

Originally Posted by metal_geek

It was a big issue 12-15 years ago, but basically the norm now is to not bring items that contain nuts to school. It's why you see all the snacks now that say "Nut Free".

It wasn't as big an issue 20-30 years ago, but what seems to be happening, is that peanuts have in the last 80-100 years been used as a cheap source of protein added to many foods. Alot of people believe as peanut protein has been put into almost everything people have eaten, that it triggers changes in successive generations. Basically each generation is more susceptible to the allergy then the one before..

Either way this isn't a "natural" allergy it has built up. Like antibacterial soap actually making bacteria stronger or like the George Carlin bit about swimming in the East River boosts your immune system.

The cure for peanut allergy believe it or not is to give them peanut paste. Swear to god I saw it on 60 minutes.

[Dartem]

Originally Posted by metal_geek

Let me guess... some dude does 50k through a playground zone and kills a kid.. It's the kids fault for not paying attention? Kids weak car avoidance skills?... Natural selection?.... Sucks, oh well such is life right?

What if it was your kid?... same attitude?

What if your kid was gonna die because of a tasty sammich?... same attitude? or do you just not care about anyone else but yourself?

Illegally speeding through a playground zone and eating a sandwich aren't even comparable in the least. I think you missed the point, it hopped on a plane and is halfway around the world by now

Originally Posted by Russic

This is either a failure to be funny or a very ignorant comment. Honestly people ... it's f****** peanut butter, we're not pissing on the flag here. There's no reason to get all high and mighty about personal rights. Removing peanut butter from a child diet at school isn't exactly a difficult thing to do.

And having your kid understand that the needs of the many outweigh his individual needs. Educate the little about not eating peanut butter, stick an Ep pen in his backpack and let the teacher/whoever at the school know he has an allergy. Dont be telling everybody else "How DARE you eat PEANUTS around my little angel!"


Maybe we need the government to legislate public peanut butter eating bans