Student gets 8 years for SUV arsons

[transplant99]

I dont think this is anywhere close to enough time for the amount of damage he caused.

A Caltech graduate student convicted of helping to firebomb scores of sport utility vehicles was sentenced to more than eight years in federal prison and ordered to pay $3.5 million in restitution

Guzzle this you clown!



Enviromental radicals...no different than domestic terrorists IMO.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by transplant99@Apr 19 2005, 02:28 PM


Enviromental radicals...no different than domestic terrorists IMO.

And fortunately, the Department of Homeland Security agrees with you.

http://www.cq.com/corp/crawford/20050325_homeland.html

Interesting that right-wing terrorists are still left off the list though. I guess they don't want to lose those votes.

[Calgary Flames]

Goddam hippies! I've discovered i'm the CP equivilent of Eric Cartman. Just not as portly.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by transplant99@Apr 19 2005, 08:28 AM
Enviromental radicals...no different than domestic terrorists IMO.

Do you really want to draw that parralel today?

I mean come on the guy wrecked some SUVs. He committed a crime but it's not like he killed anybody. They are just cars.

[Hakan]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Apr 19 2005, 12:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Apr 19 2005, 12:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-transplant99@Apr 19 2005, 08:28 AM
Enviromental radicals...no different than domestic terrorists IMO.

Do you really want to draw that parralel today?

I mean come on the guy wrecked some SUVs. He committed a crime but it's not like he killed anybody. They are just cars. [/b][/quote]
You'd be surprised how important some SUVs are to people. I mean they're like a giant, ugly, consuming, expensive child.

[Incinerator]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Apr 19 2005, 07:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Apr 19 2005, 07:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-transplant99@Apr 19 2005, 08:28 AM
Enviromental radicals...no different than domestic terrorists IMO.

Do you really want to draw that parralel today?

I mean come on the guy wrecked some SUVs. He committed a crime but it's not like he killed anybody. They are just cars. [/b][/quote]
Let's see you say that when your Toyota Prius gets firebombed by radical soccer moms, anytime something explodes in public it becomes a public safety issue, not just a simple property-related crime. If the kid slashed some tires I'd agree with you, but your comment in this case is way off base.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Incinerator+Apr 19 2005, 06:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Incinerator @ Apr 19 2005, 06:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Do you really want to draw that parralel today?

I mean come on the guy wrecked some SUVs. He committed a crime but it's not like he killed anybody. They are just cars.

Let's see you say that when your Toyota Prius gets firebombed by radical soccer moms, anytime something explodes in public it becomes a public safety issue, not just a simple property-related crime. If the kid slashed some tires I'd agree with you, but your comment in this case is way off base. [/b][/quote]
You can cook it any way you like, but what he did was wreck some cars and nobody got hurt. I think he should go to jail for it.

That doesn't mean he should be lumped in with of Timothy McVeigh and John Muhammad, both domestic terrorists.

[Incinerator]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Apr 20 2005, 12:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Apr 20 2005, 12:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Let's see you say that when your Toyota Prius gets firebombed by radical soccer moms, anytime something explodes in public it becomes a public safety issue, not just a simple property-related crime. If the kid slashed some tires I'd agree with you, but your comment in this case is way off base.

You can cook it any way you like, but what he did was wreck some cars and nobody got hurt. I think he should go to jail for it.

That doesn't mean he should be lumped in with of Timothy McVeigh and John Muhammad, both domestic terrorists. [/b][/quote]
So if this kid were to come over to plant a bomb at your place of residence while your entire family is out on vacation you would not call him a domestic terrorist when you come home to find a pile of rubble? It's easy to shrug it off when you're not the victim. And that's the way I'm "cooking" it.

[RougeUnderoos]

[quote]Originally posted by Incinerator@Apr 19 2005, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Incinerator,Apr 19 2005, 06:44 PM

So if this kid were to come over to plant a bomb at your place of residence while your entire family is out on vacation you would not call him a domestic terrorist when you come home to find a pile of rubble? It's easy to shrug it off when you're not the victim. And that's the way I'm "cooking" it.

No I wouldn't call him a domestic terrorist. I'd call him a criminal, cuz that's what he is. When did that become not good enough? If I was some government VIP and he bombed my house while my whole family was inside and he had some political motives then I might change my tune.

Would you call the guy who steals your car a domestic terrorist? How about a bank robber? Insurance fraudster?

The guy who blew up the building in Oklahoma and killed 168 people in his lunatic effort to bring down the government was a domestic terrorist.

The guy we are talking about is a glorified vandal who wrecked 125 cars.

You really don't see the difference?

[HOZ]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Apr 20 2005, 12:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Apr 20 2005, 12:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Let's see you say that when your Toyota Prius gets firebombed by radical soccer moms, anytime something explodes in public it becomes a public safety issue, not just a simple property-related crime. If the kid slashed some tires I'd agree with you, but your comment in this case is way off base.

You can cook it any way you like, but what he did was wreck some cars and nobody got hurt. I think he should go to jail for it.

That doesn't mean he should be lumped in with of Timothy McVeigh and John Muhammad, both domestic terrorists. [/b][/quote]
Well anti-abortionists went from protests to intimidation to bombings to murder.

How long before this fool started targeting the drivers?

[Incinerator]

[quote]Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Apr 20 2005, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by Incinerator,Apr 19 2005, 08:12 PM

No I wouldn't call him a domestic terrorist. I'd call him a criminal, cuz that's what he is. When did that become not good enough? If I was some government VIP and he bombed my house while my whole family was inside and he had some political motives then I might change my tune.

Would you call the guy who steals your car a domestic terrorist? How about a bank robber? Insurance fraudster?

The guy who blew up the building in Oklahoma and killed 168 people in his lunatic effort to bring down the government was a domestic terrorist.

The guy we are talking about is a glorified vandal who wrecked 125 cars.

You really don't see the difference?

No I don't, in both of these cases something blew up in public posing a risk to public safety. If a bank robber set off a bomb in front of the bank I'd call him a domestic terrorist too.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by HOZ@Apr 19 2005, 10:17 PM

How long before this fool started targeting the drivers?

Gee, I just don't know.

How long 'til you start snatching purses? Since you brought up hypothetical crimes we might as well cover all the bases.

[RougeUnderoos]

[quote]Originally posted by Incinerator@Apr 19 2005, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos,Apr 20 2005, 04:06 AM

No I don't, in both of these cases something blew up in public posing a risk to public safety. If a bank robber set off a bomb in front of the bank I'd call him a domestic terrorist too.

Okay okay. I get your point. Anyone who commits a crime is a terrorist.

[HOZ]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Apr 20 2005, 05:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Apr 20 2005, 05:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-HOZ@Apr 19 2005, 10:17 PM

How long before this fool started targeting the drivers?

Gee, I just don't know.

How long 'til you start snatching purses? Since you brought up hypothetical crimes we might as well cover all the bases. [/b][/quote]
Classy.


I gave you one example of crime escalating. How about serial murderers? Most graduate from torturing small animals to death to bigger ones to people.

This guy BOMBED, not vandalised, bombed SUV's. Yes he may have never gone from there to targeting people. Then again, considering the seriousness of his crime, I wouldn't want to take the risk. I doubt very many people would want to see this guy back on the street anytime soon.

Considering your snotty answer to me I doubt this kind of thinking ever enters your head.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by HOZ+Apr 20 2005, 12:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HOZ @ Apr 20 2005, 12:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Gee, I just don't know.

How long 'til you start snatching purses? Since you brought up hypothetical crimes we might as well cover all the bases.

Classy.


I gave you one example of crime escalating. How about serial murderers? Most graduate from torturing small animals to death to bigger ones to people.

This guy BOMBED, not vandalised, bombed SUV's. Yes he may have never gone from there to targeting people. Then again, considering the seriousness of his crime, I wouldn't want to take the risk. I doubt very many people would want to see this guy back on the street anytime soon.

Considering your snotty answer to me I doubt this kind of thinking ever enters your head. [/b][/quote]
Classy? Larf. Who are you, the King of England?

Snotty answer or not, locking people up for crimes they haven't committed, attempted to commit or demonstrated they are going to commit isn't something that enters my mind, so I guess you got me there.

A fondness for fascism doesn't enter my mind either, though I do hear it's quite classy.

[transplant99]

Well it seems to me that this guy in all his infinite "wisdom", decided to help the cause of protecting the enviroment by blowing up energy wasting vehicles.

Why would he stop there Rouge?

Why not target houses without proper insulation/windows/etc that are wasting heat everyday? Are they not just as guilty of enviromental travesty as any SUV??

Might as well blow up the damn houses as well right? And even if anyone isnt home, "they are just houses" they can be rebuilt....hey he is just being a "criminal" and not a terrorist....right?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by transplant99@Apr 20 2005, 06:16 AM
Well it seems to me that this guy in all his infinite "wisdom", decided to help the cause of protecting the enviroment by blowing up energy wasting vehicles.

Why would he stop there Rouge?

Why not target houses without proper insulation/windows/etc that are wasting heat everyday? Are they not just as guilty of enviromental travesty as any SUV??

Might as well blow up the damn houses as well right? And even if anyone isnt home, "they are just houses" they can be rebuilt....hey he is just being a "criminal" and not a terrorist....right?

Okay so what is it we are we arguing about now? That the guy perhaps possibly might have made the leap from cars to poorly insulated, unoccupied homes and that is definitive proof that he was a terrorist?

[transplant99]

Okay so what is it we are we arguing about now? That the guy perhaps possibly might have made the leap from cars to poorly insulated, unoccupied homes and that is definitive proof that he was a terrorist?

Come on man...you know exactly what I was saying.


You said " they are just cars".

Well is it really a reach to believe that a RADICAL would step up his targets if he was to of gotten away with bombing 3.5 Million dollars worth of "just cars"?

After all...these would be "just houses". What if some one had been killed "accidently" by one of his homemade cocktails? Is he a terrorist then or not?

Sorry...ANYONE who blows other peoples property up at random for their own "beliefs", all the while putting completely innocent civilians in harms way by doing so...is the very definition of a terrorist.

[FlamesAddiction]

I guess the real issue is how we define terrorism. Crime has existed forever, but when does crime become terrorism? If people wanted to, they could define lots of crimes as terrorism.

It's not such a clear cut issue. For example, why are ELF and ALF (heh) on the DHS terrorist lists, but not the Army of God and various other white supremecist groups, and religous fundamentalist group who are also politically motivated, and have in fact caused human causalties?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by transplant99@Apr 20 2005, 11:57 AM

Well is it really a reach to believe that a RADICAL would step up his targets if he was to of gotten away with bombing 3.5 Million dollars worth of "just cars"?

No it's really a philosophical reach. He hadn't made it yet though had he?

What are we going to call the the murdering crazies that we used to call terrorists now? Mega-terrorists? Super-terrorists? I mean if a guy that wrecks a bunch of cars is a terrorist, then we will have to make a distinction for the bomb-strapping and hijacking crowd, won't we?

Do you really think this guy deserves to be lumped in with Timothy McVeigh? Do you think it's wise to do that?