That is awesome that somebody who called me ignorant just made one of the most ignorant post in history himself.
Read what the iron cross mean on wiki because it ain't NAZI. (neither is the swastika BTW).
And FLIP is a skate company.
and let me go over this again. If I was to name a prototypical racist here are triggers I would look for. Not saying all people that possess these traits are racist but there are definitely general themes:
Rich - check
white - check
old - check
from the south - check
religious - check
republican - check
socially conservative - check
fought against a minority in a war (ie not the germans) - check
I can't even respond to this. I get your logic but seriously...enumerating somebody's demographics and then applying a blanket stigma to them based on the most broad spectrum of demographics to them is preposterous.
It works one way but not the other way around. Regarding the iron cross, it was sort of a sarcastic point at how ridiculous this thread is becoming - taking symbols and broad checklists and iconography and demographics to lump people to denigrating catagories, I'm sorry if you took it the wrong way. I know what Flip is.
But I could say you are young, Calgarian, skater...and put you in any number of catagories that you wouldn't want to be in.
That is awesome that somebody who called me ignorant just made one of the most ignorant post in history himself.
Read what the iron cross mean on wiki because it ain't NAZI. (neither is the swastika BTW).
And FLIP is a skate company.
and let me go over this again. If I was to name a prototypical racist here are triggers I would look for. Not saying all people that possess these traits are racist but there are definitely general themes:
Rich - check
white - check
old - check
from the south - check
religious - check
republican - check
socially conservative - check
fought against a minority in a war (ie not the germans) - check
The swastika didn't orignally represent Nazism, but it doesn't represent anything but that now.
How old are you?
Now you're claiming not all who fit those categories are racists, but lets not forget you said you'd be surprised to find someone in that demographic who isn't a racist.
Just a wee bit of prejudice there?
BTW...McCain can hardly be considered to be from the South.
__________________ I am in love with Montana. For other states I have admiration, respect, recognition, even some affection, but with Montana it is love." - John Steinbeck
wow. apparently you don't understand the concept of generalization and the difference between that and stereotypes.
I am not saying he MUST be a racist just that generally he possesses a lot of the traits that MOST people would associate with the LIKELIHOOD of being racist.
Sheesh. It's like the DNC in here tonight.
No, you said you'd "be shocked to find out he wasn't a racist."
Keep spinning.
__________________ I am in love with Montana. For other states I have admiration, respect, recognition, even some affection, but with Montana it is love." - John Steinbeck
Given that gross generalization, its a minor miracle that there's not still slavery in the south with an aging population.
What about the atheist white middle class 80 year old man who fought in Korea and has no affilation wth either of the two parties?
WTF do movies have to do with this? (definitely not Paul Newman movies though)
Well he could very likely be a racist too. (the man in your example)
Look at it this way, if someone told you there was a gangland shooting in harlem who would you suspect the assailant to be?
If you had to generalize what traits would you give this person? Don't lie.
If you said a young black male I don't think that makes you a racist it just means that you have an understanding of the world we live in and are able to make generalizations about people.
That is not to say that you would assume that all young black males are gang involved, drug dealing murderers just as I don't assume all elderly, old, white, rich republicans are racist. Just that they may have a higher rate of racism, just like how you assumed that the assailant in my example was probably a young black male.
Jesse Jackson sure wasn't when he was caught using the word off air when talking about Obama. He apologized, nothing more. There's a huge double standard with racism. Some people truly believe that you have to be white to be racist.
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Originally Posted by flip
wow you're living in a dreamworld then.
A religious white rich man in his 70s from the south who fought in Nam and is in the republican party?
If there were ever such a thing as profiling for racists he fits basically every single category. So no, I wouldn't be surprised if he was racist.
From the comedic mind of Jim Norton. Even makes the same reference as Flip does. Relevant piece starts @ 7:00 in video 1, carries over to #2 (Jesse Jackson reference).
It's always been my understanding (perhaps since I'm asian) that calling a Vietnamese g**k a is the same as calling a Chinese a Chink. I'm pretty sure that no asian cultures associate this word only with combantants (whereas the word Jap is in the same catagory but definetely carries WWII connotations). It is a racial and derogatory slur, even other asians use it against others in a bad manner. If you call an asian person that to his face, he will take it as a directly racial and not 'historical' slur referring to a combatant force.
That's my take on it too. I had no idea it had anything to do with war at all, and always thought of it as a derogatory term towards an entire race (racist).
McCain may not mean it in that way, but none the less, he should know better when throwing around terms like that in his position.
I can't even respond to this. I get your logic but seriously...enumerating somebody's demographics and then applying a blanket stigma to them based on the most broad spectrum of demographics to them is preposterous.
It works one way but not the other way around. Regarding the iron cross, it was sort of a sarcastic point at how ridiculous this thread is becoming - taking symbols and broad checklists and iconography and demographics to lump people to denigrating catagories, I'm sorry if you took it the wrong way. I know what Flip is.
But I could say you are young, Calgarian, skater...and put you in any number of catagories that you wouldn't want to be in.
Sorry but "applying a blanket stigma"? I don't remember saying that all people that fit that demographic MUST be racist.
See I didn't put him in any category, I said I found it plausible that he was part of a category.
I am a young twenty something, university student who used to skateboard, if you surmise that I MAY smoke pot every once and a while it wouldn't be totally out of the question.
Believe it or not there are entire professions and academic subjects that are based on our ability to relate factors of a person to their lifestyle.
If you said a young black male I don't think that makes you a racist it just means that you have an understanding of the world we live in and are able to make generalizations about people.
Or it could say that you have a terrible understanding of the world we live in. If the majority of the population in Harlem is lower income African American. Statistically speaking, of course there is a high probability that crimes commited there would be commited by a member of that population.
But you are aggregating the entire white American south into a catagory reflecting state of mind and personal beliefs. Show me the statistic that proves the majority of white southerners were 'racists' in that era?
Maybe it's just me, but making generalizations about people is the worst way to view the world...and the first step to prejudice. Being able to make generalizations about people is not something to be proud of. Having an intuitive sense about SOMEONE you might meet in person sure...but someone you have never met or an entire demographic population? That's how racism and prejudice begins.
just as I don't assume all elderly, old, white, rich republicans are racist.
But you already said the opposite of that.
On the other hand, I do kind of get where you are coming from. A rich, old, white conservative is more likely to fit the bill than a 30 year-old nurse who lives in Brooklyn and isn't a member of either party.
Upon further thought of this subject we may need to expand our colour meanings for fonts.
Exactly. Hyperbole doesn't work on the internet unless accompanied by the right font color and emoticons. You obviously should have written what you said in green because now everybody is taking what you said at face value and seriously.
Unless you are Fotze. He has a liscense or some kind of permit or something.
Upon further thought of this subject we may need to expand our colour meanings for fonts.
No, I only have a double digit IQ. I'm obviously way out of my league. Hyperbole, isn't that some math thingy?
Yes I do, and you weren't using it.
It's a weak attempt at covering up a good bit of prejudice on your part.
What's the color for Hyperbole anyway? I didn't know we had one.
__________________ I am in love with Montana. For other states I have admiration, respect, recognition, even some affection, but with Montana it is love." - John Steinbeck
Exactly. Hyperbole doesn't work on the internet unless accompanied by the right font color and emoticons. You obviously should have written what you said in green because now everybody is taking what you said at face value and seriously.
Green is for sarcasm.
I'm pretty sure he was serious until he realized what he said and how ridiculous it was.
__________________ I am in love with Montana. For other states I have admiration, respect, recognition, even some affection, but with Montana it is love." - John Steinbeck
Or it could say that you have a terrible understanding of the world we live in. If the majority of the population in Harlem is lower income African American. Statistically speaking, of course there is a high probability that crimes commited there would be commited by a member of that population.
But you are aggregating the entire white American south into a catagory reflecting state of mind and personal beliefs. Show me the statistic that proves the majority of white southerners were 'racists' in that era?
again when did I ever say majority?
If you asked me to define a stereotypical racist there are about 2 dozen traits that I could name, with many of them being mutually exclusive, and many of them slightly contradictory (i wouldn't expect and elderly racist to be a skinhead). John Mccain meets several of these criteria, as such I have made and educated guess that there is perhaps a heightened possibility of him being a racist. Get it?
Maybe another example?
I give you a lineup of three people and we know one is a racist just not which one.
There is a 6 year old girl from BC whose father is a doctor, a 24 year old guy from New York who is in graduate school obtaining his masters in philosophy and a 36 year old mechanic from Mississippi who doesn't have his high school diploma.
Which one of these three would you say has the best chance of being a racist?
You said the Mechanic? right? It's almost certainly not the little girl, it could be the young educated guy from an extremely liberal part of the country known for its tolerance but we all know that the mechanic possesses traits that we would associate with a racist, thus making him MORE LIKELY to be a racist.
How could you not know g**K is a derogatory term? It may have originated from referring to Korean military personnel, but it has spread and is commonly used as in insult to Asians in general. I've heard it used that way in so many instances.
So if I got robbed by 2 black guys, I could say "I hate N****rs" and never have to apologize for it?
So why is it ok for McCain to use g**k and not n****r?
__________________
A few weeks after crashing head-first into the boards (denting his helmet and being unable to move for a little while) following a hit from behind by Bob Errey, the Calgary Flames player explains:
"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
No, I only have a double digit IQ. I'm obviously way out of my league. Hyperbole, isn't that some math thingy?
Yes I do, and you weren't using it.
It's a weak attempt at covering up a good bit of prejudice on your part.
What's the color for Hyperbole anyway? I didn't know we had one.
Wow now who's being the judgemental prick.
I fully believe that there is a chance Mccain is a racist and a far better chance that he is racist than say Obama.
I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if he was. Just like I wouldn't be surprised if Bush was or Regan or Bush Sr. or Carter or Ford or Eisenhower or Truman.
(I won't go any further otherwise I will get to a president whom I can almost certainly prove was a racist.)
I fully believe that there is a chance Mccain is a racist and a far better chance that he is racist than say Obama.
I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if he was. Just like I wouldn't be surprised if Bush was or Regan or Bush Sr. or Carter or Ford or Eisenhower or Truman.
(I won't go any further otherwise I will get to a president whom I can almost certainly prove was a racist.)
Actually, you'd be shocked if he wasn't a racist.
Just to be clear.
As for your first line, you welcomed that when you questioned my intelligence.
__________________ I am in love with Montana. For other states I have admiration, respect, recognition, even some affection, but with Montana it is love." - John Steinbeck
Anyone ever see "Avenue Q"??? One of the songs in it is called Everyone's a Bit Racist:
" Everyone's a little bit racist
It's true.
But everyone is just about
As racist as you!
If we all could just admit
That we are racist a little bit,
And everyone stopped being
So PC
Maybe we could live in -
Harmony!"
