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HelloHockeyFans · 08-20-2008, 11:08 AM

It's gotta be something mysterious since I don't understand it!!!

Locke · 08-20-2008, 11:10 AM

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Yeah, like amassing over 7,000 posts on a hockey forum.

At work though. I'm confined and being paid for my contribution to society.

MJK · 08-20-2008, 11:13 AM

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Impossible?

We've seen exactly how they do it, its not only humanly possible, but really not that hard if you bothered to see the truth before your eyes.

Yes its more fun to imagine some great power doing it, aliens, gnomes, or whatever you want to imagine.

But this stuff is simply and quite clearly the work of artists.

Why do you want to imagine it to be anything else?

Why not? I just don't think they are all made by humans. Also, for the record, I didn't say it was the work of aliens, gnomes or God either.

Bobblehead · 08-20-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MJK

Why not? I just don't think they are all made by humans. Also, for the record, I didn't say it was the work of aliens, gnomes or God either.

Well, if not Humans, then who are you implying did it?

Locke · 08-20-2008, 11:14 AM

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Why not? I just don't think they are all made by humans. Also, for the record, I didn't say it was the work of aliens, gnomes or God either.

Now theres an interesting suggestion, the underpants Gnomes. Could this be step 2?

HelloHockeyFans · 08-20-2008, 11:17 AM

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Well, if not Humans, then who are you implying did it?

Animals!!! Or better yet, insects!!! Much more plausible than humans!

photon · 08-20-2008, 11:19 AM

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Why not? I just don't think they are all made by humans.

Based on..?

BlackArcher101 · 08-20-2008, 11:19 AM

It's those damn Gophers or Manbearpig.

MJK · 08-20-2008, 11:23 AM

So am I the only one here who thinks something cool might be creating crop circles or does everyone think they are all made by humans?

BlackArcher101 · 08-20-2008, 11:26 AM

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So am I the only one here who thinks something cool might be creating crop circles or does everyone think they are all made by humans?

If it's not Humans, Gnomes, Aliens, or God.... then what would be that cool something?

MJK · 08-20-2008, 11:30 AM

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Based on..?

Based on the sheer complexity and speed at which they are created maybe? Based on research? Based on millions of others around the world who agree with me?

Let me ask you, what is your knowledge on the subject based on? Can you prove to me that they are ALL made by humans?

If someone can prove to me right now without a doubt that they are all man made then the thread can be locked. The fact of the matter is that no one can.

We all have beliefs and that is great. They might all be man made but no one has been able to prove it yet.

Table 5 · 08-20-2008, 11:33 AM

Considering that circles being man-made is the most reasoable and logical explanation, i think its up to you to prove that "something cool" made them, and not the other way around.

MJK · 08-20-2008, 11:35 AM

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Considering that circles being man-made is the most reasoable and logical explanation, i think its up to you to prove that "something cool" made them, and not the other way around.

Considering how simple it should be to prove that human's have made them all, shouldn't it be easy to show me that they are all man made?

HelloHockeyFans · 08-20-2008, 11:37 AM

Sounds eerily similar to the arguments between Atheists and the religious... "prove to me that God doesn't exist... prove to me that there is absolutely NO possibility that God isn't around..."

The burden of proof lies on you... not the non-believer.

MJK · 08-20-2008, 11:42 AM

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Sounds eerily similar to the arguments between Atheists and the religious... "prove to me that God doesn't exist... prove to me that there is absolutely NO possibility that God isn't around..."

The burden of proof lies on you... not the non-believer.

Not really. Crop circles can be seen and apparently are all man made. Why should that be so hard to definitively explain? It should be a simple process.

BlackArcher101 · 08-20-2008, 11:43 AM

What's your goal here MJK... are you just stirring or are you actually going to tell us what you think created them.

I believe it's humans... there, now it's your turn.

Azure · 08-20-2008, 11:55 AM

Cheese is probably doing it.

photon · 08-20-2008, 12:20 PM

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Based on the sheer complexity and speed at which they are created maybe?

Like I said that's an argument from incredulity, just because you can't think of how to make them that complex or that fast doesn't mean the only explanation is non-human.. Do you believe magicians do real magic because you can't explain the trick?

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Based on research? Based on millions of others around the world who agree with me?

What research? There's no real evidence, nothing that meets the standards of real science, just speculation, unanswered questions, and anecdotes, none of which constitute evidence. And millions of people are wrong about millions of things all the time, that doesn't make them right. That's another logical fallacy. I'll recommend that Sagan book again, it will help you identify these logical fallacies.

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Let me ask you, what is your knowledge on the subject based on? Can you prove to me that they are ALL made by humans?

Why do I have to? Your claim is that they are made by something other than humans, the burden of proof is on you the claimant to prove that they are made by something other than humans. Because there's no proof of aliens visiting earth, no proof of other supernatural forces and things, the reasonable default position is to think that, until proven otherwise, they were created my natural causes.

If you see a hoof print in the dirt by your house, it could have been created by a horse, a zebra, or a unicorn. What do you think is more reasonable? Prove to me it wasn't a unicorn. You can't, so by the same reasoning I am fully justified in believing it was a unicorn? Of course not, unless there's more evidence to support unicorn over horse.

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If someone can prove to me right now without a doubt that they are all man made then the thread can be locked. The fact of the matter is that no one can.

That's a logical fallacy. Prove to me that there isn't a teapot orbiting the sun. Prove to me the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist. Prove to me that I don't have an invisible dragon in my garage. You can't prove that I have an invisible dragon in my garage, therefore you MUST believe that I have one, using the exact same standards of reasoning you just employed.

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We all have beliefs and that is great. They might all be man made but no one has been able to prove it yet.

They don't have to, the burden of proof is to prove that they are beyond man made.

photon · 08-20-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MJK

Considering how simple it should be to prove that human's have made them all, shouldn't it be easy to show me that they are all man made?

Considering how simple it should be to prove that magicians all use tricks and not supernatural powers to do their shows, shouldn't it be easy to show me how all their tricks are done?

This is an argument from personal incredulity. Because you don't know, then it must be impossible. It's a logical fallacy.

Canada 02 · 08-20-2008, 12:30 PM

"A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof, and when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven"