Rev Phelps to Protest at Tim Mclean's Funeral

[Jagger]

They are protesting in Red Deer against a play entitled "The Laramie Project".

Here is a link to a Red Deer Advocate news piece about the protest:

http://www.albertalocalnews.com/news...s_protest.html

[tete]

One of my friends works in the offices of Citizenship and Immigration in Ottawa, on the legal side - apparently she told her boss (a lawyer) about the visit up here and they're looking at seeing if they can ban them from coming into Canada (or boot them out)

[RougeUnderoos]

There are a lot of things (well, everything I guess) that strikes me as odd about this bunch of fools, but the really weird thing is that they believe that this tragedy is all God, in all his wisdom and power and infinite bla bla bla could come up with.

I mean talk about your cryptic message. God hates us because we allow gay marriage, so to show his displeasure he has one married man cut off the head and eat pieces of a single, straight young man on a bus in the middle of the night.

How are you supposed to get the hint re: gay marriage from this bizarre incident?

These Westbury people must be kind of frustrated with God. You know, like saying "hey God, thanks for trying, but come on now, that's it? Nobody's going to get that one. They aren't going to stop gay marriage because of this crazy stunt. We're the only ones who figured it out!"

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by fotze

I don't even think they believe in their garbled message. These lame acts are merely to get in the newspapers which works. I bet they get donations mailed to them from around the world everytime they make the news, from the handful of crazies scattered throughout every town on earth.

They are to religion what Andy Dick is to comedy and even that guy has somehow eeked out a career.

+1

The stupidity of this group is just baffeling. The ongoing politicization of religion from this to gay marriage to abortion is just plain sickening to watch.

[Jetsfan]

What a bunch of losers.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by fotze

I don't even think they believe in their garbled message. These lame acts are merely to get in the newspapers which works. I bet they get donations mailed to them from around the world everytime they make the news, from the handful of crazies scattered throughout every town on earth.

They are to religion what Andy Dick is to comedy and even that guy has somehow eeked out a career.

Without a doubt they believe very much in what nonsense they are preaching and they definitely know any publicity is good publicity.

I hate to disagree with some comments here about them perverting the bible or teachings of god, they are only spouting what god has to say about abortion, gays, etc... The only thing they pervert truly is that they assume random acts like murders, deaths to soldiers, hurricanes, etc... are in fact God telling us "hey stop it with the gay people and stuff!"

Reverend Falwell the largest leader of the Evangelical's in the USA also had the same theory that god punished America with terrorism, natural disasters, to punish them for allowing gays, abortion, etc..

Its all a slippery slope, are these people nuts? Of course, are they following the teachings of the bible, absolutely.

I'm just waiting for these people to start strapping bombs to their chests and using suicide bombings to get their point across.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by tete

One of my friends works in the offices of Citizenship and Immigration in Ottawa, on the legal side - apparently she told her boss (a lawyer) about the visit up here and they're looking at seeing if they can ban them from coming into Canada (or boot them out)

Well if entering Canada is a privilege and not a right, couldn't we just say "no, eff off?"

Also, I'm curious if a Muslim group from Afghanistan or the Middle-East were to come to Canada to cheer/protest/whatever you want to call what they do a solider's funeral who died fighting for our nation, would we allow that or consider them terrorists?

Frankly I think anyone that does what they're doing deservie a surpreme arse kicking

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by tete

One of my friends works in the offices of Citizenship and Immigration in Ottawa, on the legal side - apparently she told her boss (a lawyer) about the visit up here and they're looking at seeing if they can ban them from coming into Canada (or boot them out)

This is just what I was going to ask.

If this is their known reason for coming into our country, then why do we have to let them in?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

This is just what I was going to ask.

If this is their known reason for coming into our country, then why do we have to let them in?

At the border, they ask the purpose of your visit. I assume they do that when you guys come here as well. If I told them I was planning to harrass a grieving family at a funeral do you think they would let me in? I hope not.

I think you're right. I don't think they should have to let them into Canada at all, especially since they've made the intent of any trip well known.

[BlackArcher101]

One of the groups have been stopped at the border and denied entry.

http://www.canada.com/news/canada/story.html?id=707624

"They won't let us in, but we have a group that will cross in another spot," she said. "They'll have to strip search everyone who crosses that border or they won't know who we are. They'll have to see the WBC (Westboro Baptist Church) tattoo on our butts."

"These people [from Westboro] are almost as crazy as the murderer," he said. "If they are here to disrupt the social order, that constitutes grounds to deny them entry. There is no redeeming virtue in the message they are bringing."
According to Mr. Martin, Mr. Day's office sent an alert to border patrol to "look out" for people with signs and pamphlets that fit the hateful messages that the church promotes and to keep them out of the country.
"In the opinion of his office, coming up here with the message they're articulating constitutes hate speech," said Mr. Martin.

Right freaking on... At least someone has balls I see. I still plan on going to "counter protest" tomorrow... if they are even there.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Thor

I hate to disagree with some comments here about them perverting the bible or teachings of god, they are only spouting what god has to say about abortion, gays, etc... The only thing they pervert truly is that they assume random acts like murders, deaths to soldiers, hurricanes, etc... are in fact God telling us "hey stop it with the gay people and stuff!"

Reverend Falwell the largest leader of the Evangelical's in the USA also had the same theory that god punished America with terrorism, natural disasters, to punish them for allowing gays, abortion, etc..

Its all a slippery slope, are these people nuts? Of course, are they following the teachings of the bible, absolutely.

I disagree totaly. Groups like this pick and choose what they want to believe and disregard the rest. I spent a fair number of years belonging to a religous faith and was never taught to hate anyone like these sick a holes are doing.

Let he who is without sin cast the frist stone was what i was taught. Clearly these wingnuts are not without sin so what gives them the right to promote hatred. Maybe they should look within themselves before they cast judgement.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Dion

I disagree totaly. Groups like this pick and choose what they want to believe and disregard the rest. I spent a fair number of years belonging to a religous faith and was never taught to hate anyone like these sick a holes are doing.

Let he who is without sin cast the frist stone was what i was taught. Clearly these wingnuts are not without sin so what gives them the right to promote hatred. Maybe they should look within themselves before they cast judgement.

Thats the thing you are taught by reasonable moderate people, something the Bible old testament is not. In fact in the old testament it speaks very clearly to follow ALL passages and not to pick/choose. The bible by god's words is to be followed fully, otherwise you are condemned.

Moderation is a movement done in spite of the original teachings of the bible and I do have way more respect for those people than the literal word followers we have in groups like this one.

The problem is, theologically picking/choosing what passages to follow while ignoring others is not what the word of god says.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Thor

Thats the thing you are taught by reasonable moderate people, something the Bible old testament is not. In fact in the old testament it speaks very clearly of picking/choosing what to follow and what not to. The bible by god's words is to be followed fully, otherwise you are condemned.

That's not what i was talking about. Choosing to hate and ignoring forgiveness is what i'm getting at. Plus the fact they think they can be Gods and pass judgement on other people. That's not a God i know.

To put it another way, i don't care if a person is gay nor do i hate them. They can live whatever life they choose.

Moderation is a movement done in spite of the original teachings of the bible and I do have way more respect for those people than the literal word followers we have in groups like this one.

The problem is, theologically picking/choosing what passages to follow while ignoring others is not what the word of god says.

Some of what was going on in the old testiment was what was happening during that time period. Yes, some of it wasn't pretty and sometimes barbaric. Society evolves and and so does mankind. How we deal with adultrey today is a lot different than what they did back then.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Dion

Some of what was going on in the old testiment was what was happening during that time period. Yes, some of it wasn't pretty and sometimes barbaric. Society evolves and and so does mankind. How we deal with adultrey today is a lot different than what they did back then.

I don't mean to speak for anyone else, but isn't that the point being made?

We do deal with adultery differently today than we did back then, but we have been told that it was "the word of god". Was the word of god wrong? It must have been, or if not, people who don't follow those rules aren't following the word of god.

These Westboro people are clearly deranged, but I think you could make a legitimate case for "god hates f@gs" by reading the old testament. I don't know about the new one though.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Dion

That's not what i was talking about. Choosing to hate and ignoring forgiveness is what i'm getting at. Plus the fact they think they can be Gods and pass judgement on other people. That's not a God i know.

I do appreciate the fact you don't let your god be this way, however the bible does support these people's behaviors. The Bible is quite judgemental on a great host of things and god is very clear on his vengeance against many different people.

To put it another way, i don't care if a person is gay nor do i hate them. They can live whatever life they choose.

Which is good, its what a reasonable person should believe. However the Bible again is very clear on this, gay=death, there is no 'grey area' nor is God unclear about his feelings of people who do not worship him and many other violent tendancies.

Some of what was going on in the old testiment was what was happening during that time period. Yes, some of it wasn't pretty and sometimes barbaric. Society evolves and and so does mankind. How we deal with adultrey today is a lot different than what they did back then.

Well the old testament which is the word of god, is the key factor in the lives of Christians in the US, not so much in more liberal countries like our own.

The Bible is the word of god, perfect word of god. People 'evolving' the bible to fit modern morals, societal standards is cleary against the wish of god and would find you in eternal flame for it.

Society does evolve but a great deal of islam and christianity believes that not only is Evolution wrong (ignoring all the evidence ftw) and that we should go back to our biblical roots of the Khoran and testaments.

Its why I'm atheist, I'm not against belief in the idea of a supreme being, although I still think its silly. I am however very much against the idea of following these dusty old outdated texts written by humans that is a clear and present danger to us all today with its ideas.

[Boblobla]

If they are going to follow the bible literally:

John 8:7 'Let the person among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.'

Romans 3:23 'for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,'

Seems pretty clear that they should not be condemning others...

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Thor

Thats the thing you are taught by reasonable moderate people, something the Bible old testament is not. In fact in the old testament it speaks very clearly to follow ALL passages and not to pick/choose. The bible by god's words is to be followed fully, otherwise you are condemned.

Really, it does? And what does the New Testament say?

Also, surely you know the difference between the old and new covenant AND, you do realize that Christians follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, who BTW only exited in the New Testament, and Jews follow, or are supposed to follow the Old Testament because of their refusal to accept Jesus Christ as the 'messiah?'

Moderation is a movement done in spite of the original teachings of the bible and I do have way more respect for those people than the literal word followers we have in groups like this one.

Then you should really quit looking at religion in such a narrow-minded viewpoint. You're no better than the people who interpret it fundamentally.

The problem is, theologically picking/choosing what passages to follow while ignoring others is not what the word of god says.

And what does the word of God say about Christians and the Old Testament?

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

These Westboro people are clearly deranged, but I think you could make a legitimate case for "god hates f@gs" by reading the old testament. I don't know about the new one though.

It is more of the fact that god hates teh buttsecks and the hot girl on girl... :P

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't mean to speak for anyone else, but isn't that the point being made?

We do deal with adultery differently today than we did back then, but we have been told that it was "the word of god". Was the word of god wrong? It must have been, or if not, people who don't follow those rules aren't following the word of god.

These Westboro people are clearly deranged, but I think you could make a legitimate case for "god hates f@gs" by reading the old testament. I don't know about the new one though.

Except they're Baptist, who theoretically should be following the teachings of the 'New' Testament, not the old.

Their whole belief system is screwed up.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Thor

I do appreciate the fact you don't let your god be this way, however the bible does support these people's behaviors. The Bible is quite judgemental on a great host of things and god is very clear on his vengeance against many different people.

Well, to be blunt, you're misinterpreting the Bible wrong. Big time.

Christianity is a monotheistic religion[1] centered on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as presented in the New Testament.[2]

Nothing about the 'Old' Testament, which you constantly refer to in order to get your point across.

Baptist is a term describing individuals belonging to a Baptist church or a Baptist denomination. The name is derived from a conviction that followers of Jesus Christ are commanded to be baptised (by being immersed in water) as a public display of their faith, and thus most adherents reject infant baptism.

Which is good, its what a reasonable person should believe. However the Bible again is very clear on this, gay=death, there is no 'grey area' nor is God unclear about his feelings of people who do not worship him and many other violent tendancies.

It may have equaled death in the Old Testament, but it doesn't 'equal death' in the New.

Well the old testament which is the word of god, is the key factor in the lives of Christians in the US,

No its not. Do you just make this stuff up on the spot or what?

not so much in more liberal countries like our own.

Again, you make absolutely no sense. Christianity never has, and never WILL be based around the Old Testament.

The Bible is the word of god, perfect word of god.

You should really ask Textcritic about this. You know, someone who has actually 'studied' the Bible.

The Bible, IMO....is not the 'literal', 'unadulterated'...'unblemished' work of God. It was written by humans, and they made errors. Now, it is debatable what those errors were.

You're making this into a black and white issue, which it really isn't.

People 'evolving' the bible to fit modern morals, societal standards is cleary against the wish of god and would find you in eternal flame for it.

What part of the teachings of 'Jesus Christ' has evolved to fit modern morals?

Society does evolve but a great deal of islam and christianity believes that not only is Evolution wrong (ignoring all the evidence ftw) and that we should go back to our biblical roots of the Khoran and testaments.

The Biblical 'roots' of the Koran, not "Khoran" is more modern and progressive than you may think.

And the Bible does not teach that evolution is 'wrong.' In fact, the Bible is very 'vague' about the specific 'details' behind the creation of the universe. I've never found a conflict with believing that there is a "God"...and believing that evolution is true, and really does/did/will happen.

Never.

This is the part where you say I'm going to burn in eternal hell for believing that.

You sure help your cause.

Its why I'm atheist, I'm not against belief in the idea of a supreme being, although I still think its silly. I am however very much against the idea of following these dusty old outdated texts written by humans that is a clear and present danger to us all today with its ideas.

You should really update your 'belief system' then, because you're dead WRONG on just about everything you just said.