Man stabbed, then decapitated on grey hound bus

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by fotze

I can't believe you believe this guy should not be held accountable for his feelings and should be set free, even though you are saying nothing like that and no one else on the planet is either, but I still can't believe you are.

I don't give a crap if he goes to an institute or jail, he needs to stay there forever and I am sure everyone agrees. "Feeling sorry" which again is not quite the right term has nothing to do with holding someone accountable. Completely distinct things.

Nope, the guy is going to rot behind some walls, whether they be concrete or padded, for quite some time.

I think it's just easier to deal with these things when you can lay blame on someone and hope they die a terrible death. When you aren't sure how much blame belongs to the person and how much belongs to their condition, I find it not as easy to deal with. Either way, he has to pay the price for his actions.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

So you are saying he would be locked up and not able to do this to anyone ever again? I am for it.

Yes, I did say he should be in a facility and not out with the public, but jail is not the place.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by redforever

Yes, I did say he should be in a facility and not out with the public, but jail is not the place.

I guess. I am just worried that he will be 'cured' in 2 years and out on the streets. I am sorry but if a condition is so severe that if not treated you run around cutting off head and putting body parts in bags to keep for later I don't think they should ever be allowed out. Jail just seems more permanent to me.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

I guess. I am just worried that he will be 'cured' in 2 years and out on the streets. I am sorry but if a condition is so severe that if not treated you run around cutting off head and putting body parts in bags to keep for later I don't think they should ever be allowed out. Jail just seems more permanent to me.

What you are worried about is the "system" failing us. That system could be incarceration in a mental facility or a jail environment. Far too often we have heard of early releases from either type of setting and time has shown that the person was not ready for release.

No matter which facility is chosen for someone like Li, there has to be accountability. And I am talking about accountability by the system that incarcerated the person. You can no more hold a mentally incapacitated person accountable than you can reason with someone who is not sane. But you can hold the system and the people hired to manage that system and to deal with the individual accountable.

We the public deserve that accountablilty and should expect it. If we do not get it, then those "sane" people who blew it should be held accountable.

[pepper24]

Deport this clown back to China and let the Chinese government deal him some justice!

[FlamesAddiction]

No matter what happens, this guy will never be a free person again. The only thing to be determined is whether he spends the rest of his days in a psychiatric institution, pumped full of drugs, with visitation and comfortable surroundings; or if he is in a prison where he gets raped, beaten, and fewer comforts.

[Hemmer]

What is the screening process for immigrants? I'm stunned that someone of his nature can be allowed to immigrate to Canada. I'm curious to see if they find any more information on Li's life back in China before he came to Canada.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Hemmer

What is the screening process for immigrants? I'm stunned that someone of his nature can be allowed to immigrate to Canada. I'm curious to see if they find any more information on Li's life back in China before he came to Canada.

How do you know what he was like at his point of coming into Canada and applying for citizenship? Mental illness is not something that in all cases shows up like a red danger flag with lights flashing and bells and whistles going off. Many people with mental illness display no symptoms for the most part. Mental illness does not imply that you walk around like a raving lunatic or zombie. That is one of the main problems with such a condition, people simply do not understand it or have any knowledge of mental illness and how it manifests itself.

On his arrival in Canada, he was living in Winnipeg and was doing janitorial services at a church he belonged to. A security check was done and he passed.

It is obvious if he has had mental instability that he became unglued and a horrific crime resulting in death was the result.

But you can not say now that this is how Li was at his point of entry into Canada.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by fotze

I bet he just lied when the question on the immigration form question 87a. Do you plan on going batshat crazy someday, decapitate then eat the face of the guy all in plain view of several people, not having the common sense to do it behind closed doors like Jeffrey Dahmer.

Who hasnt lied on that question?

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

No matter what happens, this guy will never be a free person again. The only thing to be determined is whether he spends the rest of his days in a psychiatric institution, pumped full of drugs, with visitation and comfortable surroundings; or if he is in a prison where he gets raped, beaten, and fewer comforts.

Karla Homolka is walking the streets. Without anyone watching her either.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

Karla Homolka is walking the streets. Without anyone watching her either.

Yes she is, and while we may not agree with it, and while there might have been other details that came to light after she sort of made a plea bargain, fact of the matter is, she was considered sane to stand trial, was convicted, and did her time.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by redforever

Yes she is, and while we may not agree with it, and while there might have been other details that came to light after she sort of made a plea bargain, fact of the matter is, she was considered sane to stand trial, was convicted, and did her time.

And that is why some of us feel the death penalty is the only way a mental case like this will never harm anyone again.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by Azure

And that is why some of us feel the death penalty is the only way a mental case like this will never harm anyone again.

WHAT?!?!!

Even the U.S. is civilized enough not to execute those mentally incompetent to stand trial. We're not China!!!

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

Karla Homolka is walking the streets. Without anyone watching her either.

And if this bus guy has information that will lead to a conviction of a mass murderer the likes of Paul Bernardo, maybe he will get off lightly too. Somehow I'm guessing not.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Azure

And that is why some of us feel the death penalty is the only way a mental case like this will never harm anyone again.

And so how do you pro rate the death penalty and who gets it? Killing a cop gets the death penalty, killing an innocent child does not? Killing by a psychopath (yet to be determined here) gets it, someone robbing a bank and killing an innocent teller does not?

Is death that black and white to you? What are the circumstances that merit the penultimate penalty? And who will be deemed to be the judge of that?

As a society, I think you either have the death penalty in all circumstances or you do not, I can not see a grey area in between. A death, no matter how violent, is still a death.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Looks like Westboro Baptist Church is going to protest at McLean's funeral:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories

Originally Posted by CTV

The daughter of the founder of the Westboro Baptist Church, based in Topeka, Ka., told CTV.ca she and several other church members will go to Winnipeg on Saturday to demonstrate against what she described as McLean's "filthy way of life." Shirley Phelps-Roper said his life was emblematic of Canada's moral decay.

"God handed us a gift," Phelps-Roper said in a phone interview on Thursday.

She said McLean deserved his death by beheading on a Greyhound Bus last week.

Pretty disgusting stuff. Wouldn't lose any sleep if a cop or two at the funeral had an itchy taser trigger finger or just went straight for the baton to deal with these guys...

[Muta]

Originally Posted by FlamesAllTheWay

Looks like Westboro Baptist Church is going to protest at McLean's funeral:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories



Pretty disgusting stuff. Wouldn't lose any sleep if a cop or two at the funeral had an itchy taser trigger finger or just went straight for the baton to deal with these guys...

This is the best quote in the article:

"I haven't met him personally, but he has nothing going on," she said dismissively.

..that pretty much sums up their ignorance and intelligence levels right there.

I would assume because Tim McLean was a travelling worker, a type of free spirit (they call him a 'rebel'), that this is why he's an enemy of God according to these people. I would hope, then, that they come protest on my lawn, too, since I did what Tim McLean did on a greater level - I was a free spirit on the other side of the world in a foreign country.

Perhaps I'll fire them off an email and let them know of my sins and rebellious ways. If they come here, I've got something waiting for them.

[Pokerface]

I can't believe a church (from Kansas of all places) is going to protest the grieving and peaceful process of a funeral for and innocent person and where the family can get closure.

Why are they not protesting Li's crime against another human being. Last time I checked it was in the ten commandments that one shall not do harm unto another. Personally this is just as sickening as the crime itself.

I'm not hardcore religious but I consider myself a Christian and to think that they want to use this senseless death to promote/force/scare their beliefs onto a country is the exact reason why so many people resent religion. They say Canada is being punished, excuse me? Look at your own country before you judge us and parade up here and disrespect a family and their lost one.

It's a shameless, ignorant and disrespectful publicity stunt. I agree with Flamesalltheway, itchy taser fingers are getting more and more common these days...

[Ozy_Flame]

Obnoxious bible-thumpers are the real heathens; and the way these stupid religious zealots are spouting off, they're no better than Vince Li himself.

[Dion]

They should prevent these sickos from crossing the border.

The God they believe in does not exist. And that so called gift she talks about is not about promoting hatred.