Man stabbed, then decapitated on grey hound bus

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Naw, I can see that too. If that's the case.

Doesn't change how you feel for the victim. I'm doubting you get piled on too bad.

Not at all. It's just a complete waste of two lives.

[browna]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home

Another odd twist:

Yeah. Quite the odd little town of 600. Then there's the 15yr old guy who barters some stranger on the street down from $600 to $60 for a new laptop.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by cal_guy

There's a big misconception of the use of the insanity defense (mental disorder defence in Canada). It's not the get out of jail card that people think it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorder_defence

It still can't be as bad as being found guilty, otherwise you wouldn't have defense lawyers asking for it.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by SebC

It still can't be as bad as being found guilty, otherwise you wouldn't have defense lawyers asking for it.

I would think having the illness would be punishment in itself. Schizophrenia and other mental disorders aren't something you can choose not to have. Just look at how it can destroy a persons life as well as the victim.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

I feel odd saying this...

But am I the only one that actually feels bad for the killer? If in fact he is paranoid schizophrenic and thought that he had to kill this kid for whatever nut job reason his mind fabricated, and then the episode ends and he realizes what he did and wants to die because he can't live with himself... that's tough.

I'm likely going to get piled on by people saying "Are you kidding me, he ended an innocent life, blah blah blah" but none of us know how powerful those voices in his head were, or for what reason he thought he had to kill the kid. It's just really sad all around.

I was going to say much the same but feared the dog pile that would follow afterwards. Glad to see someone else here understands the situation for what it is. Sad situation all around.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

I feel odd saying this...

But am I the only one that actually feels bad for the killer? If in fact he is paranoid schizophrenic and thought that he had to kill this kid for whatever nut job reason his mind fabricated, and then the episode ends and he realizes what he did and wants to die because he can't live with himself... that's tough.

I'm likely going to get piled on by people saying "Are you kidding me, he ended an innocent life, blah blah blah" but none of us know how powerful those voices in his head were, or for what reason he thought he had to kill the kid. It's just really sad all around.

I do feel sorry for him in a way but ..........

On the other hand part of me tells me that people with psychiatric illnesses can be very manipulative. A big show of faith of his remorse IMO would be offering up some sort of explanation for his actions re. talking to the police etc. There's a family out there that would love some sort of explanation.

"I'm sorry, just kill me" would have been better.

Just the sceptic in me.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Bagor

I do feel sorry for him in a way but ..........

On the other hand part of me tells me that people with psychiatric illnesses can be very manipulative. A big show of faith of his remorse IMO would be offering up some sort of explanation for his actions re. talking to the police etc. There's a family out there that would love some sort of explanation.

"I'm sorry, just kill me" would have been better.

Just the sceptic in me.

Having a psychotic episode should be explanation enough and that he's a paranoid schizophrenic. It would at least explain how such a gruesome and horrifying act could happen.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Dion

Having a psychotic episode should be explanation enough and that he's a paranoid schizophrenic.

He's undiagnosed as yet.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Bagor

He's undiagnosed as yet.

Dr. Fred Shane, a local forensic psychiatrist has already weighed in on the case and stated he believes this man is paranoid schizophrenic that suffered a psychotic episode.

http://winnipegfreepress.com/local/s...-4799263c.html

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by Dion

Dr. Fred Shane, a local forensic psychiatrist has already weighed in on the case and stated he believes this man is paranoid schizophrenic that suffered a psychotic episode.

http://winnipegfreepress.com/local/s...-4799263c.html

Expert speculation is still speculation, though. He could be right but I'd like to see a proper diagnosis by someone who has actually examined the patient.

Dr. Fred Shane, a local forensic psychiatrist, said at first blush and without knowing more about the incident than what the media has reported, that he suspects the suspect has "a pathological background and a psychiatric history.

[J pold]

I can understand why people might have sympathy for Li, but for me at this point it’s very hard to do. His actions are unspeakable and while it might have been a ‘psychotic episode’ that just doesn’t do enough of a justice for me. Too my knowledge they are medications than can treat and stabilize someone who might suffer from this type of behavior. I read an article somewhere saying that while many people believed him to be mentally ill he refused to see a doctor or accept any type of treatment. Shouldn’t he be held accountable for this negligence?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by fredr123

Expert speculation is still speculation, though. He could be right but I'd like to see a proper diagnosis by someone who has actually examined the patient.

Dr. Fred Shane, a local forensic psychiatrist, said at first blush and without knowing more about the incident than what the media has reported, that he suspects the suspect has "a pathological background and a psychiatric history.

Agreed. I forgot to mention it was speculation when i made that post.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by fotze

No, since I have some sympathy (not 100% the right word) I think they should let him go right now, in fact he can stay with me.

I realize that he is going to be persecuted for his actions, which he should. But to ‘feel bad’ for the guy because he went off the deep end and only now realizes the magnitude of what he has done isn’t something I can do. Too my knowledge there are many medications that can curve this psychotic behavior and refusing to take them or seek treatment is negligent. He’s putting himself and others at risk that’s why I can’t find any sympathy for him.

[Muta]

I've always felt that even paranoid schizo's need to be held accountable for their actions. Especially in actions like this. Perhaps locking up and throwing away the key irregardless of any insanity plea would atleast help him to understand that there are some things you just cannot do. We put down animals (who go crazy) for committing significantly less; I realize a human is a human, but there's quite a double-standard there.

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by Bagor

On the other hand part of me tells me that people with psychiatric illnesses can be very manipulative. A big show of faith of his remorse IMO would be offering up some sort of explanation for his actions re. talking to the police etc. There's a family out there that would love some sort of explanation.

Quoted for truth. A friend of mine has had first hand experience with this.

[Nuje]

Somebody died in a tragic incident. The murderer is said to be mentally ill. Whether he's mentally ill or not, he's somebody who is capable of such a thing. I'm not incarcerated, because I don't break the law, and I certainly don't stab or decapitate people. He does. Is he likely to re-offend? I don't know, but I don't see why any of us that abide by the law, and just general rules that the world runs by, should have to be put at risk just because some yahoo the government employs said that this person isn't likely to do it again. Whether he's mentally ill or not, either way I don't believe this is a person fit to be out in society.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by Nuje

Somebody died in a tragic incident. The murderer is said to be mentally ill. Whether he's mentally ill or not, he's somebody who is capable of such a thing. I'm not incarcerated, because I don't break the law, and I certainly don't stab or decapitate people. He does. Is he likely to re-offend? I don't know, but I don't see why any of us that abide by the law, and just general rules that the world runs by, should have to be put at risk just because some yahoo the government employs said that this person isn't likely to do it again. Whether he's mentally ill or not, either way I don't believe this is a person fit to be out in society.

100% agree.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by J pold

I can understand why people might have sympathy for Li, but for me at this point it’s very hard to do. His actions are unspeakable and while it might have been a ‘psychotic episode’ that just doesn’t do enough of a justice for me. Too my knowledge they are medications than can treat and stabilize someone who might suffer from this type of behavior. I read an article somewhere saying that while many people believed him to be mentally ill he refused to see a doctor or accept any type of treatment. Shouldn’t he be held accountable for this negligence?

There are not medications for everyone, sad as it may be and it may be hard to understand but there is not a cure all pill out there for all medical problems. And sad as it might be, many on these medications, take themselves off once they feel better, thinking they are cured. And many are too poor to address their issues and many are too ashamed to address their issues and some deny they have these type of issues. Yeah, you and I don't understand that line of reasoning, but remember, they have a mental issue, not a physical issue and that is how some of them think.

It is hard to be accountable for your actions if you are mentally incompetent. That is like telling someone in a wheelchair that they should be able to walk.

This is a terrible tragedy of huge dynamics and I for one feel very sorry for both the person who was so violently killed as well as Li.

Edit: I am not condoning that Li should now be let out in the public. There has to be some accountablily and if he is mentally incapacitated, then he should be held in some facility where those issues are addressed. Jail would do nothing for such a person except to incarcerate them.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by redforever

Jail would do nothing for such a person except to incarcerate them.

So you are saying he would be locked up and not able to do this to anyone ever again? I am for it.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by J pold

I realize that he is going to be persecuted for his actions, which he should. But to ‘feel bad’ for the guy because he went off the deep end and only now realizes the magnitude of what he has done isn’t something I can do. Too my knowledge there are many medications that can curve this psychotic behavior and refusing to take them or seek treatment is negligent. He’s putting himself and others at risk that’s why I can’t find any sympathy for him.

There was a paranoid schizo posting on beyond.ca for a while. The guy was convinced that the government was trying to control his brain, because he had a court order or something like that to be on medication for his condition. He was sleeping in the back seat of his car in front of his parents house, writing letters to the government begging them to let him change treatments as he knew the doctor he was visiting was taking control of his brain. He was planning his flight from BC to Alberta to try escape his medication.

Reading this guys posts was just plain scary. He was in obvious need of a lot of help and definitely not fit to be in public society. I don't think you can put the onus on someone that far off the deep end to take their pills.