Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > The Off Topic Forum
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-22-2008, 01:30 PM   #1
Bobblehead
Franchise Player
 
Bobblehead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
Exp:
Default Tesla Roadster now being delivered.

Quote:
So far the company has delivered four cars, with 27 more in production. It has 1,080 customers waiting patiently for a Roadster, which is a year behind schedule. (Google founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin, both Tesla investors, are scheduled to get cars seven and eight.) Tesla expects to be delivering four cars a week soon, a number it eventually hopes to double.
Quote:
And if Mr. Musk is willing to concede that the Roadster, by itself, isn’t a world-changer, he fervently believes that the technology Tesla has created — technology that gives the car a range of 227 miles per battery charge, and enough acceleration to go from zero to 60 in under 4 seconds — will indeed change the world. The age of the electric car, he is convinced, has dawned.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/19/bu...ef=automobiles

I wonder how long before we see one cruising around Calgary streets?
__________________
"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
Bobblehead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 01:37 PM   #2
Old Yeller
First Line Centre
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Exp:
Default

Does anyone know how long the re-charge time is after draining the battery.
Old Yeller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 01:40 PM   #3
Caged Great
Franchise Player
 
Caged Great's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

I can't wait to see if their sedan comes on the market. I'll be in line for that.
__________________
Fireside Chat - The #1 Flames Fan Podcast - FiresideChat.ca
Caged Great is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 01:42 PM   #4
mykalberta
Franchise Player
 
mykalberta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

I heard 100% electric cars are illegal in Canada, is that true? (with the exception of Quebec of course).
__________________
MYK - Supports Arizona to democtratically pass laws for the state of Arizona
Rudy was the only hope in 08
2011 Election: Cons 40% - Nanos 38% Ekos 34%
mykalberta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 01:44 PM   #5
Slava
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mykalberta View Post
I heard 100% electric cars are illegal in Canada, is that true? (with the exception of Quebec of course).

I think that the issue with the Zenn (assuming that is the one you heard about) is due to the speed it can travel and such. I think that an electric car that meets the normal standards is legal though.

^^ IIRC the charge time is about 3 hours.
Slava is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 01:47 PM   #6
BlackArcher101
Such a pretty girl!
 
BlackArcher101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

So what's the battery life on a typical cold Canadian winter day?
__________________
BlackArcher101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 01:48 PM   #7
Ozy_Flame

Posted the 6 millionth post!
 
Ozy_Flame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Exp:
Default

I saw this in Fortune magazine. If I recall correctly, Musk and his former partner were at odds of using particular types of materials to manufacture the automobiles. Musk was seeking the cheap route (and $109,000 per car being cheap), and his partner (I believe it was Marc Tarpenning) wanted to go the route of "a few well-built cars for a select few." There was a big falling out somewhere down the line. The whole company was in a mess, and this car could have been better produced if all this legal and financial red tape (not to mention in-house fighting) was resolved better.

I'll have to refer back to the article, but it isn't all roses and sunshine at Tesla Motors right now.
Ozy_Flame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 01:49 PM   #8
Bobblehead
Franchise Player
 
Bobblehead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Yeller View Post
Does anyone know how long the re-charge time is after draining the battery.
From Tesla's site, it says about 3.5 hours.
__________________
"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
Bobblehead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 01:51 PM   #9
You Need a Thneed
Voted for Kodos
 
You Need a Thneed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackArcher101 View Post
So what's the battery life on a typical cold Canadian winter day?
The batteries are heated, according to the website. And anyone who drives one of these is going to keep it in a heated garage. Battery life should be fine in cold weather.
You Need a Thneed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 01:57 PM   #10
HockeyPuck
Scoring Winger
 
HockeyPuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: everywhere like such as
Exp:
Default

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xdNCQZQLhvA

Here's Jay Leno's review... The car looks pretty sweet.
__________________
Some people are like Slinky's... not really good for anything but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
HockeyPuck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 02:05 PM   #11
Slava
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame View Post
I saw this in Fortune magazine. If I recall correctly, Musk and his former partner were at odds of using particular types of materials to manufacture the automobiles. Musk was seeking the cheap route (and $109,000 per car being cheap), and his partner (I believe it was Marc Tarpenning) wanted to go the route of "a few well-built cars for a select few." There was a big falling out somewhere down the line. The whole company was in a mess, and this car could have been better produced if all this legal and financial red tape (not to mention in-house fighting) was resolved better.

I'll have to refer back to the article, but it isn't all roses and sunshine at Tesla Motors right now.
I have that same article. Its very interesting. While things may not be all that rosy, they're still pretty good! They sound to me like they are going through typical growing pains.
Slava is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 02:08 PM   #12
Bobblehead
Franchise Player
 
Bobblehead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
Exp:
Default

I think I read that article, as well.

But the fact that they are shipping, just opened another showroom (in silicon valley) and have over 1000 outstanding orders I would think bodes well for them, at least in the short term. And with the price of gas skyrocketing and "green" awareness becoming mainstream it would probably be a good time to be producing this product.
__________________
"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
Bobblehead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 02:09 PM   #13
arsenal
Director of the HFBI
 
arsenal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackArcher101 View Post
So what's the battery life on a typical cold Canadian winter day?
I am guessing you could go about 10km's

I don't see electric cars being a viable option for canadians, at least in alberta. The winters are too cold to drive it. The only time you could drive would be in the summer, and probably no farther than 100 km from your home.
Plus it could require a power source that you could plug into when you are away from home.

Since you would be using someone else's electricity to charge your vehicle, would you then have to pay for said electricity usage? Or would it be provided as a service as some do now with plugs for the block heaters when it is freezing in canada.
__________________
"Opinions are like demo tapes, and I don't want to hear yours" -- Stephen Colbert
arsenal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 02:12 PM   #14
arsenal
Director of the HFBI
 
arsenal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed View Post
The batteries are heated, according to the website. And anyone who drives one of these is going to keep it in a heated garage. Battery life should be fine in cold weather.
So you are draining the battery to keep the battery warm correct?
What if you work at a building that does not have heated underground parking?

Electric cars are wonderful. I just see are too many logistical, infrastructure problems with them. Hydrogen is a much better solution.
__________________
"Opinions are like demo tapes, and I don't want to hear yours" -- Stephen Colbert
arsenal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 02:16 PM   #15
mykalberta
Franchise Player
 
mykalberta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HockeyPuck View Post
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xdNCQZQLhvA

Here's Jay Leno's review... The car looks pretty sweet.
Very good video. What is the price tag of this guy, mid 100's?
__________________
MYK - Supports Arizona to democtratically pass laws for the state of Arizona
Rudy was the only hope in 08
2011 Election: Cons 40% - Nanos 38% Ekos 34%
mykalberta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 02:17 PM   #16
Flames89
First Line Centre
 
Flames89's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Toronto, ON
Exp:
Default

Flames89 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 02:18 PM   #17
Igottago
Franchise Player
 
Igottago's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
Exp:
Default

Nice..I'm not a big car buff but its nice to see a car that sheds some of the myths about electric cars and their performance. These guys seem to have engineered a pretty sweet ride. I liked the video with Jay Leno driving it. If I had the cash the environmentalist in me would consider this car.
__________________
A few weeks after crashing head-first into the boards (denting his helmet and being unable to move for a little while) following a hit from behind by Bob Errey, the Calgary Flames player explains:

"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
Igottago is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 02:19 PM   #18
GoinAllTheWay
Franchise Player
 
GoinAllTheWay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Not sure
Exp:
Default

I think if we go to full electric cars, I saw an ariticle once where you would have solar panels on your garage and a special collector that charges up during the day. When you come home at night you would plug it into the collector and only use solar generated power, none off the grid.

I would REALLY like that kind of setup.
GoinAllTheWay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 02:21 PM   #19
Bobblehead
Franchise Player
 
Bobblehead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by arsenal View Post
So you are draining the battery to keep the battery warm correct?
What if you work at a building that does not have heated underground parking?

Electric cars are wonderful. I just see are too many logistical, infrastructure problems with them. Hydrogen is a much better solution.
Maybe there is room for both? Battery powered cars may not work in cold climates, but in California it may be perfect. And if Tesla can do this for battery powered cars, maybe someone else can make a viable hydrogen powered roadster become a reality.

I'm just impressed that the whole concept has come this far, and hope that this can show that there is a viable market for alternate fuel vehicles.

While I don't think there is a conspiracy by car manufacturers to block alternate fuel, I do think they are slow in changing the way they want to do business. Upstarts like this may compel them to hasten their own programs.
__________________
"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
Bobblehead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 02:22 PM   #20
You Need a Thneed
Voted for Kodos
 
You Need a Thneed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by arsenal View Post
So you are draining the battery to keep the battery warm correct?
What if you work at a building that does not have heated underground parking?

Electric cars are wonderful. I just see are too many logistical, infrastructure problems with them. Hydrogen is a much better solution.
The power drain to keep the batteries warm shouldn't be a whole lot. A small percentage of the overall power consumption.

If you happened to work at a building without heated parking, plugging the car in probobly would keep the batteries warm enough.

I think its hilarious that you mention logistical and infrastructure problems, then reccomend Hydrogen. Hydrogen is the one source that requires the most infrastructure and logistics change - Far more than simply electric vehicles.
You Need a Thneed is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:02 PM.

Calgary Flames
2024-25




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021 | See Our Privacy Policy