The Dark Knight [SPOILER THREAD]

[Jebus]

Originally Posted by octothorp

As far as the lesser-known and understated villains, I think Deacon Blackfire would be interesting, and fit really well with Nolan's Gotham, where he really plays up the class conflict.

I'm not familiar with that character. But that might be what makes him the perfect fit. Something that isn't campy that Nolan can be allowed to mold to his own vision.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Mr. Zsasz the psychotic serial killer who adds a notch to his body every time he kills someone might be interesting. I doubt Nolan would use him though. It would instantly give the movie an R rating.

Talk on the DC message boards is that Riddler and/or The Penguin are next. BUT, Mr. Zsasz is being labeled Terry Lister, who threw the detoninator out of the window on the ferry. I was confused, I thought I saw a tattoo on him, but first glance it did look like the 5 notch Mr. Zsasz killing calculator. On IMDB it has him listed as Tattooed Prisoner. So maybe it was introducing The Tattooed Man? The back of his neck did look like a dragon was rising up. But he is more a GL villain than Batman..

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Did I miss something here, didn't he type in his name like Bruce told him to and then the program shut down and it looked like it did permanently. Lucious said he would not be part of the company as long as a program like that existed, so when he typed in his name, the program shut down, wouldn't that mean that he would be back?? That's what I got from that part, but maybe I'm totally missing something.

But I agree, the cell phone thing was a bit much.

I am convinced that was an introduction to Brother Eye that will come into play during movie three. It might not develop into the full blown OMAC invasion, but I think they will use it as a tool to create some type of drama where Batman ends up on his own because he doesn't feel he can trust anyone at all, not even Lucious now.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Isn't there a villian named Promethius who is the exact opposite of Batman. A rich billionaire who saw his parents gunned down by the police and became a villian.

And I don't honestly think that Harvey Dent is dead, I think they covered him up and declared him dead so that Gotham wouldn't lose a hero. I'm betting he turns up at Arkham in the next movie.

You might be thinking of Hush, who was Bruce Waynes boy hood friend. But Hush killed his Dad, and only let his mother live because he knew he couldn't get away with killing her in the hospital bed.

Hush fought Batman to a stand still in hand to hand combat, they are a great match. Hush only withdrew because he wanted to re think his plan of attack, or at least that is what he tells himself. Except Hush is just insane, so that would be a great villain I agree.

Check out the current Batman R.I.P. series for some background on this character, he is just coming back into play. Batman Detective Comics #846 specifically. I don't remember which comic he originally showed up in though. I'd have to dig pretty deep.

[GreenLantern]

Double post please delete this one.

[OILFAN #81]

Saw this on Friday but never posted my thoughts yet. I think this was a fantastic movie. Obviously everyone is talking about the brilliant role played by Heath Ledger as the Joker and that is well deserved. But I also thought Christian Bale and Aaron Eckhart were also great in this film. Harvey Dent's character in this film along with the Joker were my favorite. Additionally, I agree that I loved the "want to see a magic trick" part. That was great. Cool that Gordon didn't die earlier in the movie as well.
Overall, I was pleased and a very good film.

Who's everyone's favorite "Batman" so far?

West, Keaton, Kilmer, Clooney, or Bale?

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Jebus

I'm not familiar with that character. But that might be what makes him the perfect fit. Something that isn't campy that Nolan can be allowed to mold to his own vision.

He's basically a fundamentalist extremist who believes in a brutal and blood-thirsty brand of justice, and he whips the homeless of Gotham into a militant and angry mob. At one point, they capture Batman, and Blackfire uses a combination of physical and psychological torture to convert Batman to his side, possibly (it's open to interpretation) causing Batman to kill an innocent, at one point. All of this is from The Cult miniseries in the late 80s. I'm not sure if Batman getting brainwashed to that extent would be a good direction to take in a movie, but there's a lot of potential in Blackfire's character there.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Who's everyone's favorite "Batman" so far?

West, Keaton, Kilmer, Clooney, or Bale?

Bale's Barman voice really bugs me, but as Bruce Wayne, public and private....Bale is the best. But as Batman, I like Keaton.

[flip]

SInce the great things about the movie have been stated over and over I won't go into detail, just that I agree.

I read in the Herald that the New Yorker hated the movie and while I disagree they made some interesting points. The one that I kind of agree with is that the movie was one 2 hour climax, and that since it was constantly climaxing (never thought I'd say that like it's a bad thing!) the ending seemed a little unsatisfying.

However, I loved the score and the fact that the movie was intense from start to finish was pretty cool. Not often am I that engaged/nervour/creeped out during a 2.5 hour movie. Loved the There Will Be Blood type really high pitched violin? or whatever that is when they had the intense moments.

Also agree with earlier poster who mentioned the suspension of reality. Like the Fed Ex guy showing up to the Ferry with 100 drums of gasoline. Pretty funny. Also it seemed like any character was able to get anywhere, be it in a car or building etc effortlessly without being detected/caught. Joker and Two Face both did it on multiple occasions.


Overall though this is definitly the best comic book movie ever! Bale is the best batman followed closely by Keaton. BTW Van, Bale and Nolan did the deep animal sounding voice intentionally. They thought it made him more menacing while hiding his Bruce Wayne voice.

Wouldn't mind seeing Superman be the villain in the third one. Will never happen i know but it'd be just like The Dark Knight Returns. Superman being all a goody goody and stuff. If they include Robin it'd have to be like in Dark Victory where he joins and then the movie ends. It would take too much story to have him actually fight with Batman. The best part would be watching the friendship take off and Bruce learning to trust a kid.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I am convinced that was an introduction to Brother Eye that will come into play during movie three. It might not develop into the full blown OMAC invasion, but I think they will use it as a tool to create some type of drama where Batman ends up on his own because he doesn't feel he can trust anyone at all, not even Lucious now.




You might be thinking of Hush, who was Bruce Waynes boy hood friend. But Hush killed his Dad, and only let his mother live because he knew he couldn't get away with killing her in the hospital bed.

Hush fought Batman to a stand still in hand to hand combat, they are a great match. Hush only withdrew because he wanted to re think his plan of attack, or at least that is what he tells himself. Except Hush is just insane, so that would be a great villain I agree.

Check out the current Batman R.I.P. series for some background on this character, he is just coming back into play. Batman Detective Comics #846 specifically. I don't remember which comic he originally showed up in though. I'd have to dig pretty deep.

Promethius was an apprentice of Hush from what I understand.

His story here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_(comics)

[RW99]

Whenever they used that menacing music with the Joker, did anyone else think of the Shining?

[ResAlien]

Don't know how many more they're planning, but the whole "Knightfall" saga (if I'm remembering the name right) would be amazing. Bane is in my mind perhaps the best Batman villain ever, and it isnt too tough to make him in the "real" Nolan world. Would probably have to make it two movies, ending the first one at Batman's broken back.

Bane was massacred as a character in the Batman movie that shall not be named, but the real character is great. As smart as Wayne, and stronger than sin.

Edit: And The Dark Knight? Amazing. Have nothing to add that hasn't already been said. Favourite movie of the year so far.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Saw this on Friday but never posted my thoughts yet. I think this was a fantastic movie. Obviously everyone is talking about the brilliant role played by Heath Ledger as the Joker and that is well deserved. But I also thought Christian Bale and Aaron Eckhart were also great in this film. Harvey Dent's character in this film along with the Joker were my favorite. Additionally, I agree that I loved the "want to see a magic trick" part. That was great. Cool that Gordon didn't die earlier in the movie as well.
Overall, I was pleased and a very good film.

Who's everyone's favorite "Batman" so far?

West, Keaton, Kilmer, Clooney, or Bale?

Clooney and West were probably the worst ones, but really, what did their directors give them to work with. Bale, like someone already said, is probably the best when it comes to his Bruce Wayne persona, but his Batman voice really sounds dumb. Kilmer is just a cool cat all around, and Bale's just this decades updated version of him. Keaton was good all around though.

[peter12]

I'd love to see the Joker back. The Joker is really just chaos and doesn't have a set character with a past or even a persona. He reinvents himself on a daily basis, hence the variety of stories that he tells about his cards. It'd be perfect to cast another great character actor to do another spin on the Joker.

Daniel Day Lewis, perhaps?

[Coach]

Someone I thought, adn by reading most of your posts, doesnt get enough recognition is Gary Oldman as Lt/Commisioner Gordon. Probably besides the Joker was the best acted part. Everyone did very well within their roles obviously, but I think Oldman flies under the radar a bit and is a fantastic actor

[CaptainCrunch]

They've had two male characters, they might want to interject some female villainy. They could certainly make some changes to Harley Quinn, especially since Joker lived through the movie and is probably going to Arkham.

Don't know if we need the Catwoman, nobody is going to top Batman 2's catwoman, and we don't need to shock value every villain.

They could grunge up Poison Ivy though and make her much darker.

[habernac]

great, great show. A long movie that can keep you engaged for the entire time can't be called anything but an excellent film. Don't have anything more to add, other than it is so sad to know that We've seen the last of Heath Ledger. I didn't think there was anything that could live up to the advance hype. I think his performance surpassed it for me.

[OILFAN #81]

Are we allowed to post links of the movie online? The site i'd be linking to is a legal site as it says in it's disclaimer. They have the full movie "The Dark Knight" on there in a streaming version.

[spydermal]

The part with the fake dead bat man hitting the window made me jump more then any recent scary movie.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by flip

Wouldn't mind seeing Superman be the villain in the third one. Will never happen i know but it'd be just like The Dark Knight Returns. Superman being all a goody goody and stuff.

You're right, I dont think that would ever happen. Despite the fact that Superman Returns was a bit of a letdown, Superman is still the king of all superheroes, and probably has a larger fanbase than Batman(or anyone else) does. I can't imagine how many people they would p*** off if they just up and turned Superman into a villian. I really don't see it.

[Cliche]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Someone I thought, adn by reading most of your posts, doesnt get enough recognition is Gary Oldman as Lt/Commisioner Gordon. Probably besides the Joker was the best acted part. Everyone did very well within their roles obviously, but I think Oldman flies under the radar a bit and is a fantastic actor

I guess as an older actor he's no longer running around and trying to kill natatlie portman.

Drums of gasoline/diesel fuel to be stored on board a ferry makes logical sense, in a bureaucratic way. Where else do you store it? Why is it down there? Don't store fuel with the passengers. (Everybody thinks everybody else is smart and untrusting, but in reality they are really really dumb) Then, once everything is set up, start it up and run or escape by jumping off the ship.

One of the primary questions on the characters lips is "who do you trust?"
And with a majority of the cops tagged in one way or another, there's a high probability of being able to get away with, well murder. And knowing how corrupt Gotham is, and how the Joker had pretty much become the prince of crime, it would be possible if you had the time to set up most of the explosions.

Yeah the cell phone thing is extremely unlikely. It would require cell phones either being really sensitive(which they aren't) or computing power beyond that of the largest cluster. Of course, they could all be phones with hands free or conference call capabilities. However, the other problem would be emitting the sounds and then receiving them. Disguise it as a low battery chirp. Then use other cell phones for audio to build it up. How many people have cell phones? How many people don't have cell phones? Wouldn't corrupt gotham swat team guys keep their cell phones on them? (gotta know whose who.)

Also didn't see anybody complain about how he recreated the bullet, and grabbed the print. http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...lets?gusrc=rss although.. it is possible.

Also, there should have been more exposition of Harvey Dent's past, as the film takes gratuitous license with the viewers beliefs in knowing at least some of Harv's back story. The subtle hints that all is not right with Harvey Dent before he is transformed into Two=Face are a bit too subtle. (EG grabbing the gun in the court house, naming himself as batman)

BTW it is

Sal "The Boss" Maroni.

To continue with the mob as one of the central figures in the war on crime in Gotham, Black Mask, and Maxie Zeus should have appearances.

And for his shenanigans in HK, I could see King Snake make an appearance(Although that would introduce the rest of Ra's Al Ghul's League of Assasins, and bring up the fact that Batman is among the top 10 martial artists of the DCU)