Child Molester at Work

[Howie_16]

Originally Posted by BuzzardsWife

I love the lynch mob idea!! I love the castration idea!! I think all Pedo's should be euthanized, but made to suffer greatly beforehand! And I don't care what anyone in the world thinks of my opinion! NUKE them all. They don't belong in your office or on this planet. They should have no rights. They should all die. Can't wait to see what comes after this very honest post!!

Switch "Pedo's" to "Jews", change "NUKE" to "GAS", take us out of Calgary 2008 and into Nuremberg 1937, and you'd make a great SS officer!

[jolinar of malkshor]

Here is my concern with having to work with this guy. Depending on the type of job one is doing, it would change this approach, but, in my situation, it is vital that you can trust your partner and have a high degree of honesty and integrity. If someone is not honest or has no moral values in his personal life, then why would he have any in his professional life? I would not trust/nor want to work with someone how has done something so sick. How can the office work as a whole? This person discredited himself, not the other way around. HE has made the office innefficient, suspicious and hostile, not the people that work there.

If all we were talking about was a job such as a janitor, where trust and integrity are not a prerequisite, then I can see people should just deal with it.

[Crispy's Critter]

damn, here I thought there was going to be video of a 'child molester at work'


oh well, back to the NAMBLA website for me then.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by Howie_16

If this offender does not work directly with kids, then he shouldn't have to answer to you or I at his office. I assume he served his sentence, and I think the person(s) who have been "morally repugnant" and therefore should not be working for the government were those who leaked the info in the first place.

Uhm... that would be the Ottawa Sun, Ottawa Citizen, Le Doit, etc... Once it became common knowledge, the on-staff counselors jumped in to quell the uproar.

And no, he has not served his sentence. It starts next week. However, the judge said it would be served on weekends so that he can work AND serve his sentence at the same time.

[Calgaryborn]

There will be people within this government office who did suffered sexual abuse as children. Statistically it is almost a certainty. Probably there is a parent who has had a trusted family member or spouse who has assaulted their child. These people's suffering did not end in ninety days. Having this fellow working along side them will certainly open these wounds, if they ever really closed. I don't think they should have to endure him. Our society has already failed them once. Why rub salt in the wound?

Obviously this fellow has not paid for his crime. Our legal system doesn't work on the biblical principle of an eye for a eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life. It started there but, has moved towards rehabilitation. Nobody should argue that he's paid his due and therefore should be left alone. He has paid nothing.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by BuzzardsWife

I love the lynch mob idea!! I love the castration idea!! I think all Pedo's should be euthanized, but made to suffer greatly beforehand! And I don't care what anyone in the world thinks of my opinion! NUKE them all. They don't belong in your office or on this planet. They should have no rights. They should all die. Can't wait to see what comes after this very honest post!!

What do you mean you can't wait to see what comes after your honest post? You already said you don't care what anyone in the world thinks of your opinion. There's probably a good reason for that.

Anyway, what is the point of the "made to suffer greatly beforehand" bit? You know, there may be some rationale behind executing child molesters, though I don't believe it, but at least it makes sense on some level. But why do you advocate torture? Are you going to get something out of it? More importantly, are you gonna do it?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

What do you mean you can't wait to see what comes after your honest post? You already said you don't care what anyone in the world thinks of your opinion. There's probably a good reason for that.

Anyway, what is the point of the "made to suffer greatly beforehand" bit? You know, there may be some rationale behind executing child molesters, though I don't believe it, but at least it makes sense on some level. But why do you advocate torture? Are you going to get something out of it? More importantly, are you gonna do it?

Ya his comment was pretty pathetic as far as I am concerned. Really, do you have to bring yourself as low as the kiddie tickler Buzzard? Torture and murder?

[Nuje]

I don't have time to read this thread right now, but my response to these is always the same. The justice system is designed as if it's hard to go through life without fondling a child, or assaulting someone, or commiting rape, murder. IT'S NOT!! So far I've managed to not do any of that for 22 years and some. I'm a compassionate person, and believe that some people for certain crimes deserve a second chance. However, it shouldn't be at the risk of the upstanding citizens, that follow what is good and normal, and the law.

[chris lindberg]

Luckily I have never had to be around someone like this, not that I know of anyway.

[photon]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

And the fact that the guy admits that he has a problem....makes me believe that he has been doing this for quite sometime. If he hasn't molested other children I would bet that he has participated obtaining/viewing/and or sharing child porn.

I don't think it necessarily follows that he's done it before... there's always a first time, maybe he's been able to stop himself up to now.

You bring up child porn, has it been suggested that maybe child porn could serve to help these people keep their desires under control? Find a release so they don't go out and actually do it? Probably would not help those ones where it's the violence or control that does it for them, but the ones where it's actually a sexual attraction might it?

Of course not real child porn, generate it with a computer or something so no real children are harmed.

Porn is a sexual outlet for some people.

Originally Posted by BuzzardsWife

Can't wait to see what comes after this very honest post!!

Not much came I guess, people want to have a discussion I guess.

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Having this fellow working along side them will certainly open these wounds, if they ever really closed. I don't think they should have to endure him. Our society has already failed them once. Why rub salt in the wound?

Lots of people have problems with alcohol, yet the company serves it at their official functions! I work with a guy who lost his mom to breast cancer, how insensitive for everyone to celebrate mother's day. Everyone has bad things happen to them, part of dealing with it and moving past it is being able see that the world isn't just about me and how everything affects me.

Nobody should argue that he's paid his due and therefore should be left alone. He has paid nothing.

True, but that's not really his fault, that's a fault of the system.

Originally Posted by Nuje

The justice system is designed as if it's hard to go through life without fondling a child, or assaulting someone, or commiting rape, murder. IT'S NOT!! So far I've managed to not do any of that for 22 years and some.

Because everyone is exactly the same as you... Can you even imagine what kind of horror it would be like if you were attracted to children in the exact same way that you are currently attracted to whoever you are attracted to now?

It's easy for you to not do those things because you don't want to.

I'm a compassionate person, and believe that some people for certain crimes deserve a second chance. However, it shouldn't be at the risk of the upstanding citizens, that follow what is good and normal, and the law.

Anytime a convicted criminal is released it's risk. Zero risk is an unrealistic goal. It's a matter of deciding what level is acceptable... But I agree with your sentiment; I think we'd both agree that more could be done to reduce the risk of re-offending.

[McMack]

Sure, after serving out his sentence, this guy has certain rights. Freedom from physical abuse? Absolutely. From verbal harassment? Sure, at least from obvious verbal harassment. The right to hold his job? Nope... I mean, he should probably get the privelege of holding onto his job, and outside of whatever his Collective Agreement might say about this, by no means is a job ever a "right." The right to be socially included at work? Absolutely not.

[Buzzard]

Originally Posted by Howie_16

Switch "Pedo's" to "Jews", change "NUKE" to "GAS", take us out of Calgary 2008 and into Nuremberg 1937, and you'd make a great SS officer!

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[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Howie_16

Standing up for the individual rights of other human beings is never morally repugnant.

If this offender does not work directly with kids, then he shouldn't have to answer to you or I at his office. I assume he served his sentence, and I think the person(s) who have been "morally repugnant" and therefore should not be working for the government were those who leaked the info in the first place.

I can agree with that to a certain extent. Certainly the office seriously dropped the ball by turning it into such a mess. I said so in an earlier post that if buddy was insane enough to go back to the same job (even though the Judge says he can, he doesn't have to) then it should have been handled secretly.

Making it everyone's problem was a no-no by the office, but the guy should not have put them in that kind of position.

I think its terrible the way it feels like the judge was protecting this guy's job and probably retirement. Those things should be forfeit in this situation regardless of whether he serves his (absolutely pathetic) sentence or not.

Pedo's aren't the kind of criminals that can be welcomed back to society on an even keel just because they "did their time". As stated, the stats on re-offenders pretty much speak for themselves.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

...then it should have been handled secretly.

How could it have been handled secretly? It was all over the radio news and newspapers and local TV news because his wife owned a daycare.

Pedo's aren't the kind of criminals that can be welcomed back to society on an even keel just because they "did their time". As stated, the stats on re-offenders pretty much speak for themselves.

Quite. I think a murderer who spend 20 years in jail would be more welcomed back into the workplace than this guy doing 90 days. There seems to be a disconnect between what we deem the more serious crimes and those that we are willing to forgive.

[Calgaryborn]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Calgaryborn
Having this fellow working along side them will certainly open these wounds, if they ever really closed. I don't think they should have to endure him. Our society has already failed them once. Why rub salt in the wound?

Photon Quote:
Lots of people have problems with alcohol, yet the company serves it at their official functions! I work with a guy who lost his mom to breast cancer, how insensitive for everyone to celebrate mother's day. Everyone has bad things happen to them, part of dealing with it and moving past it is being able see that the world isn't just about me and how everything affects me.

Drinking and Mother's Day are not illegal and are accepted norms in Canadian society. If I knew someone was suffering from the loss of their mother I would probably not make them endure my personal plans for Mother's Day. Likewise I wouldn't invite someone struggling with alcoholism to a place where he/she would be tempted to drink.
Sexually abusing a child is an assault against society itself. We protect our children and watch out for our neighbor's children. They are seen as worthy of special consideration and care. I can't believe you would compare the two.


Calgaryborn Quote:
Nobody should argue that he's paid his due and therefore should be left alone. He has paid nothing.

Photon Quote:
True, but that's not really his fault, that's a fault of the system.

Yes it is the government's fault and ours for electing them. Still he hasn't paid for his crime. I don't believe that we as citizens can take the law into our own hands. I do believe that society has no obligation to accept this fellow until justice has been administered against him.

Similarly if I owned a business I wouldn't serve Michael Jackson or OJ Simpson. They in my mind, committed crimes in which they haven't served a just penalty for. I can't take justice into my own hands but, I will not receive them as part of my community.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Drinking and Mother's Day are not illegal and are accepted norms in Canadian society. If I knew someone was suffering from the loss of their mother I would probably not make them endure my personal plans for Mother's Day. Likewise I wouldn't invite someone struggling with alcoholism to a place where he/she would be tempted to drink.

Exactly, and if someone was a pedophile you're not going to put them in with children. But they're no threat to an adult.

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Sexually abusing a child is an assault against society itself. We protect our children and watch out for our neighbor's children. They are seen as worthy of special consideration and care. I can't believe you would compare the two.

I obviously wasn't directly comparing the two.

Whatever, take some other cases where an illegal activity was involved. Someone killed by drinking and driving then. A woman raped by a man, should the office then make sure she doesn't have to work with other men?

My point was that people have bad things happen to them, if they go through their lives looking for concessions and special treatment then they really haven't moved past the problem.

And who said anything about not protecting children? This guy being driven out of his job has little to do with protecting children.. in fact driving him out will probably drive him further towards re-offending.

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Yes it is the government's fault and ours for electing them. Still he hasn't paid for his crime. I don't believe that we as citizens can take the law into our own hands. I do believe that society has no obligation to accept this fellow until justice has been administered against him.

Who's standard of justice? Yours? Mine? What if my standard of justice is death? You might not like it, but if he's deemed ok to be walking around in society then that's what has to be. Don't like it, work to get the laws changed. You have no obligation to accept him of course, but he still has to be able to get a job, pay to eat, shelter himself, etc.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

How could it have been handled secretly? It was all over the radio news and newspapers and local TV news because his wife owned a daycare.

I didn't catch it in the media, just on CP. Now I know this, I feel even stronger that he should have been fired immediately.

Quite. I think a murderer who spend 20 years in jail would be more welcomed back into the workplace than this guy doing 90 days. There seems to be a disconnect between what we deem the more serious crimes and those that we are willing to forgive.

Murder comes in many shapes and forms. Someone coming out from a 20 year sentence for killing his wife's boyfriend after he catches them together is easily forgivable, imo. There is never a reason for Pedophilia.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by photon

My point was that people have bad things happen to them, if they go through their lives looking for concessions and special treatment then they really haven't moved past the problem.

Concessions and special treatment??? I think you are undervaluing the impact a pedophile has on his/her victims. As I've said we had a similar instance within the church I attend. Those who had been abused suffered while the guy was still there. I was easily able to look at the situation and use reason. I didn't feel the violation or the terror that these ladies felt. He couldn't harm them but, his presence churned up those feelings within them.

Originally Posted by photon

Who's standard of justice? Yours? Mine? What if my standard of justice is death? You might not like it, but if he's deemed ok to be walking around in society then that's what has to be. Don't like it, work to get the laws changed. You have no obligation to accept him of course, but he still has to be able to get a job, pay to eat, shelter himself, etc.

I pick my standard of justice, naturally. But I could live with something close to mine. You would think if the goal was a penalty equal to the seriousness of the crime we could probably come close to one another's opinion. At the very least in the end we could both say: he recieved a degree of punishment. The problem is by almost every Canadian's standards this fellow still has a debt to pay. Those who feel this way should express it and act accordingly.

[CaramonLS]

I guess there wont be anymore bring your kids to work days at your office DA?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I guess there wont be anymore bring your kids to work days at your office DA?

well done.